The stupidity of "Saving the empovershed by empoverishing their counterparts..."

[lsbskins1]

You do realize that by "conspicuously consuming untold millions of dollars", they are employing a number of people to provide the goods and services they consume, as well as contributing to the tax base through their purchases?

What do you think creates more jobs? Selling 1 of these (Bugatti Veyron Pictures, Specs, Price, Engine & Top Speed) or a 131 of these (2012 Ford Focus | With up to 40MPG the all new Ford Focus is more than a car | Ford.com) ? Price of the first: 2,400,000.00. Price of the second: 18,300.00.

[Apeman81]

What do you think creates more jobs? Selling 1 of these (Bugatti Veyron Pictures, Specs, Price, Engine & Top Speed) or a 131 of these (2012 Ford Focus | With up to 40MPG the all new Ford Focus is more than a car | Ford.com) ? Price of the first: 2,400,000.00. Price of the second: 18,300.00.

Selling both. It need not be one or the other.

[Dieval]

Reading your mind... I'll answer it like this (even though no one stated that anyone was stopping anyone, as getting and empowering are 2 different things). Their lazy and sit on their ass... They get in their own way. LOL Seriously, there COULD be many reasons... but that is not the subject of this post. I would suggest opening a segway thread based on your statement. I feel it would be a good topic to cover, and can possibly kill some misconceptions (you know... "Their lazy and sit on their ass...").

Population, though, is something that comes to mind.

I didn't say anything about anyone being "lazy" and sitting "on their ass" (although I know people abuse the system).

Since you didn't really answer my question, I'll try again.... how exactly does someone become "empowered"?

[Dieval]

The so called job creators who don't seem to want to pay a living wage to people.

The sad but true story of wages in America | Economic Policy Institute

You're worth what you'll take.

I can't help but be reminded of my past and how working for $4.35/hour was not enough to support me and my family... I handled that problem myself (but I guess I'm special and not part of the people that need to be "empowered" in order to live their lives).

[Trojan_Ripper]

Would you give of your own time and or money to help the needy as you describe them? Would you rather provide funding for a private charity? Or do you rely upon government programs to help?

I personally favor direct assistance. That is how I distributed the major share of my charitable giving. For that which I cannot actively participate in, I defer to private charities. It's easy enough to see which ones have the lowest administrative overhead cost.

Excellent points Apeman, "ones that I doubt you will get an answer".

I wonder how many here truthfully have actually donated their time to help build a home for a needy family….no dollars needed…just good old sweat? Have donated their time to serve at a food kitchen, or purchase a few extra canned goods to deposit in the dry goods barrel at the front of the store everytime they go shopping?

I wonder when the last time (they took the time) and donated clothes and shoes; or even offered to work a day at a charity like the Salvation Army or Goodwill? Hell, "how about just buying a loaf of bread, package of ham and cheese, a bag of apples and chips, then making sandwitches and brown bagging them and handing it out to the homeless they see on the street"? I wonder?

But now I’m going to make a sweeping generalization, sorry.

I wonder how people would react if presented this scenario.

Say I offer you and your family 1 million dollars tax free…. Or…the opportunity to accept $1,000 of that and donate the remaining $999,000 to helping the needy, or, say pay the TOTAL ANNUAL income for 50,000 families in a impoverished nation....what would you do?
What do you think the majority would do when presented that situation? I don’t believe that I actually have to wonder what would be their decision....I think I know the answer.

Is it a great thing that our country donates to other needy countries (actual taxpayers money donated) but overlook the needy in our own country….such as Appalachia brought up earlier? No, it’s horrible IMO.

So….Why won’t our country feed and clothe it’s OWN before spending dollars from (those who pay taxes and bankroll ) the money spent on helping those of other countries?

I guess it is not are country’s fault…. not the fault of those who don’t pay taxes….but the fault of those supposed “rich” who DO PAY taxes helping those needy in other countries…while allowing their money to be used elsewhere by their government. It’s all their fault “they only think of themselves”. Phiffittttt.

Maybe those who actually“pay taxes” have more of a fucking bitch than those who want to be spoon fed free pie. I think so.

[Dan74]

If you want to build a charity that can take care of over 1 million people, then be my guest. Problem with that is people are dropping below the poverty line like flies. Your sad excuse economic system is the one at fault here.

[Trojan_Ripper]

If you want to build a charity that can take care of over 1 million people, then be my guest. Problem with that is people are dropping below the poverty line like flies. Your sad excuse economic system is the one at fault here.

Huh?

Does this mean you can't or won't help people in need Dan? You don't have to make what looks like "excuses" to not go out and help those in need.... when all you would have to offer would be a little sweat.

Whose "SAD excuse of an economic system" are you speaking of?

[kingjust627]

[QUOTE=Apeman81;879855]

Capped? By whom and with what authority?

I guess you completely miss the point of strengthening the company by redistributing back onto itself, so does it really matter WHO authoizes it as it is not of importance, IMO, based on what i'm trying to convey. But your questioning of who's authority seems indicitive of the problem BEHIND greed. Question, why does one need to have billions of dollars personally? The person is able to buy what ever he she wants right? So it can't be that. How about prestige... nope, covered already. POWER... hey, now we are talking here.

I think it was you who claimed something about government being for power, right? You need to show an example of that please based on what you typed. Because what I've just stated seems more that the power you assume the government wants, is basically just a vehicle for uber wealthy persons/corporations to control the mass, via THEIR ability to BUY the governments which is evident with what happened with the winsconson election and private firms dumping money into one candidate. The SCOTUS really fucked up with that... as now ANY company can come through and drown oppenents of whom the choose to support with BILLIONS. How is that good for all? And how is that representative of the people?

So, questioning the authority of who is going to implement this is a poor diversion from the point I was making. Why didn't you address that, you know, the STRENGTHING OF THE COMPANY BY REINVESTING ONTO ITSELF AND IT'S EMPLOYEES. Nope, you ramble about "who's going to authrize this (not verbatum)". Honestly APE, who gives a fuck if the outcome is that EVERYONE IS PROSPEROUS IN THE COMPANY? The millionaire is still that, and the employees are being paid well where they can contribute back to the economy by having salaries that allow them to make purchases OUTSIDE of needs.

[kingjust627]

Excellent points Apeman, "ones that I doubt you will get an answer".

How so? Answers will vary, if you don't like some of them... don't go on and dismiss them. Personally, I would like to do it myself, especially for veterans which I am mayself. Unfortunately, bad decisions in my life prevent me from doing so. No one to blame but myself for that. Private charities, i'm skeptical of them. Mass amounts of money flowing through charities will bring greed and corruption. The government covers what private cannot, though is not immune to greed and corruption also... obviously.

I wonder how many here truthfully have actually donated their time to help build a home for a needy family….no dollars needed…just good old sweat? Have donated their time to serve at a food kitchen, or purchase a few extra canned goods to deposit in the dry goods barrel at the front of the store everytime they go shopping?

If some on here said they did, would you believe them????

I wonder when the last time (they took the time) and donated clothes and shoes; or even offered to work a day at a charity like the Salvation Army or Goodwill? Hell, "how about just buying a loaf of bread, package of ham and cheese, a bag of apples and chips, then making sandwitches and brown bagging them and handing it out to the homeless they see on the street"? I wonder?

Why are you still going on here inderectly questioning what others have done. It's pretty fucking condenscending yet you truly know NO ONE here. Being a business owner yourself, what have you done? (No need to reply to that, I was just making a point that what ever you post is irrelevant as it doesn't matter what YOU do or do not do. but you seem adamant at subliminally calling others out as hypocrites.)

But now I’m going to make a sweeping generalization, sorry.

You havn't done that already?????

I wonder how people would react if presented this scenario.

Say I offer you and your family 1 million dollars tax free…. Or…the opportunity to accept $1,000 of that and donate the remaining $999,000 to helping the needy, or, say pay the TOTAL ANNUAL income for 50,000 families in a impoverished nation....what would you do?

Take the million and see fit how I would like it implemented. What's the point of having ridiculous stipulations when you can do exact things yourself? You waste a 1000 dollars for someone accepting a million to help the needy... just give the need the million yourself. And why would you need someone to be an arbiter to those 50000 families? Do it yourself. Your creating overhead for no reason...

What do you think the majority would do when presented that situation? I don’t believe that I actually have to wonder what would be their decision....I think I know the answer.

Greed is a motherfucker isn't it? How about restrcturing the question to what would a multimillionaire CEO do if offered a tax free bonus... blah blah blah. Your same assumption of the less fortunate is still the same with those who are not necessarily in need of more money. But a bigger question would be, since you assume they would take it and 'run' per se, why would either of them do so? If one doesn't have money, it's a possibility and understandable, but for someone to already have millions, and still take millions... SMH

Is it a great thing that our country donates to other needy countries (actual taxpayers money donated) but overlook the needy in our own country….such as Appalachia brought up earlier? No, it’s horrible IMO.

Fuckin right... I despise these moron actors going overseas to help out other countries, but yet overlook the very country that made them uber fucking wealthy. Same goes with religious charities and other BS foundations.

So….Why won’t our country feed and clothe it’s OWN before spending dollars from (those who pay taxes and bankroll ) the money spent on helping those of other countries?

Unfortunately, a definitive answer will never be reached.

I guess it is not are country’s fault…. not the fault of those who don’t pay taxes….but the fault of those supposed “rich” who DO PAY taxes helping those needy in other countries…while allowing their money to be used elsewhere by their government. It’s all their fault “they only think of themselves”. Phiffittttt.

How did I know that you were going to pull this oh whoa is the rich who CAN afford to give a little more (based on necessities to live), but don't really want to. " not the fault of those who don’t pay taxes"<-- Um, everyone pays taxes, you do know that right??? Just because it is not income tax doesn't make it any less a TAX. Now, no one is really putting the onus of fault on anyone are they? PHifftttt at your attempt to garner sympathy by those who really don't give a fuck about anyone else but them selves. Phifftttt at you stating this "Is it a great thing that our country donates to other needy countries (actual taxpayers money donated) but overlook the needy in our own country….such as Appalachia brought up earlier? No, it’s horrible IMO." right after the whoa is the rich and their struggles rant. Really dude? No contradiction their buddy...

Maybe those who actually“pay taxes” have more of a fucking bitch than those who want to be spoon fed free pie. I think so.

Oh lord, the "who actually pay taxes" fallacy is being used...

What taxes do people who "want to be spoon fed pie" not pay? Income you say? Well no fucking shit sherlock, the tax systems states that those making under 25k do not have to (I should know, my disabled wife gets SSD that earns her just under 25K and don't have to pay jack), but yet they do pay other taxes do they not (why I even have to state this is pretty fucking ridiculous and can I say goes into the mind of someone who feels a sense of arrogance... maybe smug?), and still "those who pay taxes (LOL)" want them to be taxed MORE when they can barely afford necessities? They pay taxes on their utilities, food, gas etc. Stop rubbing peoples nose in dog shit because they are not as fortunate as you.

You know mentalities like yours envoke scenes of a movie called In Time. Time was the currency. When you ran out or was low, you basically ended up dieing. In the movie, the uber 'time' wealthy physically seperated themselves from those who didn't have enough time. These uber wealthy had jobs for the less timely, giving them barely any time at all to live and controlled how much time they would get though time was readily available (sounds familiar huh). I don't want to spoil the rest for those who haven't seen it. It's a good watch.

[Dodds]

You're worth what you'll take.

Oh jeez, you are once more ignoring all the data(which was linked) to forward some idea that it is the labour markets fault that wages have stagnated. Bravo.

I can't help but be reminded of my past and how working for $4.35/hour was not enough to support me and my family... I handled that problem myself (but I guess I'm special and not part of the people that need to be "empowered" in order to live their lives).

Good for you. Again this is not the norm, something you ignore.

[kingjust627]

You know this still hasn't been addressed. No body is proposing 90% tax on ANYONE. So how are the counterparts of the empoverished being empoverished with just a 5% or 10% tax increase?????? And how is taxing the empoverished MORE, even logical????

[Dieval]

Oh jeez, you are once more ignoring all the data(which was linked) to forward some idea that it is the labour markets fault that wages have stagnated. Bravo.

Your whole article boiled down to 'the rich are evil and everyone else deserves their money'. Did I get the "sad but true story of wages in America"? Don't get me wrong...I'm not opposed to people earning a decent wage, but I didn't see any details in your article about any particular jobs just that in general productivity has increased while wages haven't....and? I bet other costs have increased too along with advances in technology making people more efficient overall...so because people are working more efficiently they just magically deserve more money?

Good for you. Again this is not the norm, something you ignore.

Why isn't it the norm? Have people forgotten how to fend for themselves and aren't taking responsibility for their own actions?