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    If it's an ancient conflict rooted in beliefs, how come Islamophobia did not exist prior to 9/11? The way I see it, we were all fine being afraid of Russians for a long time but then that ended and we found ourselves searching for a new kind of evil foreigner.

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    Quote Quote by: JHuber View Post
    To think that the US got attacked because it is an imperialist nation is incorrect.
    A bold claim without any supporting evidence. I will argue that, imperialist nature of US govt played a major role in 9/11 attack. This below extensive study, from University of Chicago in Illinois, finds that majority of the suicide bombings were carried out to force occupied or imperialistic state to withdraw.

    A more down-to-earth idea has been proposed by political scientist Robert Pape of the University of Chicago in Illinois. Zeroing in on suicide terrorism, Pape and colleagues built a database of all the suicide attacks they could find from 1980 to 2001. Looking for commonalities, Pape found that such attacks were growing more frequent and more deadly over time—and that the overwhelming majority (178 out of 188) were linked to one political goal: forcing a democratic power to withdraw from territory it occupied. The evidence, he argued, belied the long-held notion that suicide attackers were mentally unbalanced or inspired by religious dogma. He noted that the most deadly post-1980 terrorists were the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam—a Marxist, atheist group seeking control of Sri Lanka. (The government defeated them in 2009.)
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    Quote Quote by: Thanatos View Post
    If it's an ancient conflict rooted in beliefs, how come Islamophobia did not exist prior to 9/11? The way I see it, we were all fine being afraid of Russians for a long time but then that ended and we found ourselves searching for a new kind of evil foreigner.
    Don't forget, the World Trade Center was bombed in 1993 as well as in 2001. Before then their ire was mainly Israel but they hated the US as well. Remember the American hostages Iran held for 444 days in the 70's?

    The conflict between Christians and Muslims goes all the way back to the middle ages. Back then it was called the Crusades. In those days it was the Muslims that were called infidels. These days they call us infidels.

    The Muslims fight the Buddhists in India and the atheists in Russia as well. This conflict never has abated as far as I know.

    This isn't a US only problem.


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    Quote Quote by: tarchira View Post
    A bold claim without any supporting evidence.
    I provided logic, "To think that the US got attacked because it is an imperialist nation is incorrect. If the US were an Islamic nation, given that the world's economic conditions are the same, the US would not have been attacked. Muslims don't kill other muslims (in theory), but they do kill infidels."
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    I will argue that, imperialist nature of US govt played a major role in 9/11 attack. This below extensive study, from University of Chicago in Illinois, finds that majority of the suicide bombings were carried out to force occupied or imperialistic state to withdraw.
    The terrorists aren't opposed to democracy. They are not fighting for fascism, socialism or communism. All they care about is for Islam to be the dominant religion. It says this in the Quran. According to the Quran, it is fine for other religions to exist but only if they are in the minority. Once other beliefs compete with the dominance of Islam that is when they consider the other beliefs to be a threat. If anything threatens Islam then jihad becomes authorized. Jihad is a war by Muslims against unbelievers or enemies of Islam carried out as a religious duty.


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    Quote Quote by: JHuber View Post
    Don't forget, the World Trade Center was bombed in 1993 as well as in 2001. Before then their ire was mainly Israel but they hated the US as well. Remember the American hostages Iran held for 444 days in the 70's?

    The conflict between Christians and Muslims goes all the way back to the middle ages. Back then it was called the Crusades. In those days it was the Muslims that were called infidels. These days they call us infidels.

    The Muslims fight the Buddhists in India and the atheists in Russia as well. This conflict never has abated as far as I know.

    This isn't a US only problem.
    Which colonial regime gained from both the attacks on the Trade Centre, has lots of ex-USSR agents provocateurs to call on and lots of Arabic speakers to recruit Muslim mugs? Only a thought.


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    The US tries to control other countries only to the
    extent that they not become havens for terrorism or the
    drug trade.
    The US certainly does not want to have sovereignty over
    these countries.
    So the US setting up and taking down foreign governments has no effect on sovereignty?

    Directly or indirectly, the environment is apparently another casualty
    of such lovely global efforts:
    "Guerrillas have targeted oil, Colombia's main export, as a
    tactic in their war against the state, staging some 1,000 assaults on oil
    pipelines since 1986. The 5,000-strong ELN has been responsible for 80
    percent of the assaults.
    The army report, citing Environment Ministry figures, said crude oil
    had contaminated 1,625 miles of river, equivalent to the total length
    of Colombia's two biggest rivers, the Cauca and the Magdalena, with
    slicks of up to 112 miles in length.
    The report called the drug trade 'one of the direct causes of the
    destruction of biodiversity,' saying coca leaf, poppies and marijuana
    cultivation had caused serious deforestation.
    It cited Colombia's human rights monitor's office as saying 3,300
    square miles of jungle had been lost in the last 30 years."
    http://www.financialexpress.com/old/.../fco06066.html

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    Which colonial regime gained from both the attacks on the
    Trade Centre, has lots of ex-USSR agents provocateurs to
    call on and lots of Arabic speakers to recruit Muslim
    mugs?
    Only a thought.
    It certainly grew tha "National Security state":
    "08 May 2001

    President Bush May 8 directed Vice President Dick Cheney to
    coordinate
    development of U.S. government initiatives to combat terrorist attacks
    on the United States...

    Cheney will lead a new task force to address terrorist threats and
    will report to Congress by October 1, after a review by the National
    Security Council."
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ru...unity_CTR.html

    There are undoubtedly thousands of infiltrators and informants. Meanwhile, skeptics will keep asking: If these terrorists are truly so common, why haven't more of them committed attacks? There theory is that more would be made while you wait, so you'd better get out there and take them out. Of course, we're more likely to create terrorists by invading these countries and setting up more dicators and funding radical terrorist groups.

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    The solution to world peace... we are looking for the solution to world conflict.

    The solution to world conflict is the end of the world. And this is something which is in our future. So do not worry about things which are provided for before you are. Just be sure that you recognize who the world ultimately belongs to.... and from here decide where you stand.

    We are silly to fight over a world which is perishing, and over souls which we did not form.

    Vanity of Vanities
    All is vanity and grasping for the wind.

    "No one calls for justice; no one pleads his case with integrity. They rely on empty arguments and speak lies; they conceive trouble and give birth to evil."
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    Just be sure that you recognize who the world ultimately belongs to....
    Who does the world ultimately belong to?


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    Quote Quote by: JHuber View Post
    Who does the world ultimately belong to?
    Everyone and no one.
    All a sheet of paper does is lie there, so we can't just ask the written records. It depends on which person/people you ask.

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    Quote Quote by: grandpa View Post
    Everyone and no one.
    All a sheet of paper does is lie there, so we can't just ask the written records. It depends on which person/people you ask.
    Grandpa h.
    That's right, it depends on which person/people you ask because everyone's view is subjective. This brings me to the original post of this thread. With subjects and relations theory it doesn't matter which person/people you ask. It is the same for everyone. Given the question, "what is the subject of subjects and relations?" Anyone in the world, past or present, should come up with the same thing. Without it, what we have are different worldviews. Thus the reason why we are at war.


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    Quote Quote by: JHuber View Post
    I provided logic, "To think that the US got attacked because it is an imperialist nation is incorrect. If the US were an Islamic nation, given that the world's economic conditions are the same, the US would not have been attacked. Muslims don't kill other muslims (in theory), but they do kill infidels."
    You call this logic?

    You based your (il)logic on two utter nonsensical assumptions. Can you explain to me then why majority suicide attacks were carried out in Islamic nations?

    Quote Quote by: JHube View Post
    The terrorists aren't opposed to democracy. They are not fighting for fascism, socialism or communism. All they care about is for Islam to be the dominant religion. It says this in the Quran. According to the Quran, it is fine for other religions to exist but only if they are in the minority. Once other beliefs compete with the dominance of Islam that is when they consider the other beliefs to be a threat. If anything threatens Islam then jihad becomes authorized. Jihad is a war by Muslims against unbelievers or enemies of Islam carried out as a religious duty.
    Can you provide me some evidence that Muslim suicide terrorists carried out their mission to establish Islam as a dominant religion and how the Qur'an motivated them?


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