I don't believe in determinism. I think the world is inherently indeterminate due to error propagation from quantum effects. Determinism is the illusion of approximation.
I don't believe in determinism. I think the world is inherently indeterminate due to error propagation from quantum effects. Determinism is the illusion of approximation.
A man said to the universe:
"Sir, I exist!"
"However," replied the universe,
"The fact has not created in me
A sense of obligation."
-- Stephen Crane
Hmmmm. Free will is an illusion. Determinism is an illusion. Maybe everything is a mix of reality and illusion.Quote by: Angry Citizen
I can see how quantum effects might undermine determinism if they propagate like the butterfly effect.
Religion is poison because it asks us to give up our most precious faculty, which is that of reason, and to believe things without evidence. It then asks us to respect this, which it calls faith. - Christopher Hitchens
A good deal of your analysis about determinism and free will relies on a particular description, a particular definition of free will or determinism. Are illusions real to the observer? They certainly can be perceived, eh?
Isn't the butterfly effect a term used in chaos theory?I can see how quantum effects might undermine determinism if they propagate like the butterfly effect.
If the terrain and the map do not agree, follow the terrain.
When motherhood becomes the fruit of a deep yearning, not the result of ignorance or accident, its children will become a new race.
It is certainly an apt description. In chaos theory, approximation errors propagate wildly. I see reality as a massive approximation to what reality really is. It's a model. A damn good model, but still a model. And with any model, you get errors. These errors bleed in not through computer roundoff or truncation, or through humans forgetting to carry the two, but through things like the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle which flat out dictates uncertainty in a particle, and through things with macroscopic consequences like the totally random quantum effect of an atom popping its guts out in the form of radiation. Radiation, governed by the aforementioned random and uncertain equations, can kill a man. This man could have done wonderful things, or terrible things. Millions of people could live or die because of this man. One of these descendants could have been someone who can blow up a star on command. And thus the error propagates.Isn't the butterfly effect a term used in chaos theory?
A man said to the universe:
"Sir, I exist!"
"However," replied the universe,
"The fact has not created in me
A sense of obligation."
-- Stephen Crane
If you don't mind, would you correct my paraphrase where you see fit?
"I see reality as a massive approximation to what reality really is."
The reality you see as a massive approximation consists of the content of only as much content of the sciences' explanations and descriptions as you hold in thought models of the real McCoy reality.
If so, then the concern is that evolutionary construction of our "vehicle body," its senses and mechanisms bent by the primal demand to reproduce our specific species, might "flavor" or "color" our perceptive prowess to exclude reality as it REALLY is.
That concept of concept of error you allude to. Do errors have any meaning in a sufficiently complex dynamic system? The concept of error is from the God's eye view, isn't it? Or more appropriate, isn't the concept of error tied to something called intent, or plans by detaching intent from observations?
If the terrain and the map do not agree, follow the terrain.
When motherhood becomes the fruit of a deep yearning, not the result of ignorance or accident, its children will become a new race.
Yeah, you'll wake up years later and find you've shit the bed and have to gather yourself together again...C; drugs won't actually change anything but they will do a tidy job at making you forget to be bothered by it all.
How To Become The Person You Want To Be « Thought Catalog
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
If I'm the only witness to your madness offer me some words to balance out what I see and what I hear.
10,000 Maniacs
The so-called determinism and free will arguments are nothing but nonsensical safaris into meaningless drivel. Leave these bored "philosophers" to their (lol) serious arguments about the nature of the universe. The fact is that we all live our lives in the context of the multitude of choices that are presented to each of us every single day. Take a walk in the sunshine and fresh air, let the "intellectuals" argue about whether we have the option of choice or not.
I upped my income, up yours.
May I ask, what is it about yourself that you find abnormal? Social awkwardness is actually quite normal among many teens. My advice is to go with who you are. Stick to a small group of friends and to hell with the big groups. They're nothing but trouble anyway.
Don't worry about what other people are doing. That is what is "weird about our society". Everyone puts so much onus on fitting in. Stick to small groups, sit in the back of the class, tell people that criticize you to fuck off. You'll be out of school soon and all the rules change.
Dear Optimist, Pessimist and Realist, while you guys were arguing about the glass of water, I drank it! ~ Sincerely, the Opportunist.
Very well put. What is a normal or abnormal condition varies throughout society. I try not letting others determine who I am, at least not to any suffocating degree. Some loneliness may be a result, but to hell with a general population which rejects me anyway. The rejection is in many ways mutual.
Grandpa h.
Post by post, building his arguments by smashing a couple of theirs -- for America.
I think the main reason our personalities dictate how we are seen by others more than our looks is because it is our intellectual values that contribute to society. It's not particularly fair when paired with the argument that we do not have control over our personalities, and if enough people understood that, people probably would be judged on their looks (which are in fact easier to control than one's personality).
I'm fairly attractive, (my argument has no need for modesty, and I've only mentioned this because it's relevant, so if you think it makes me conceited, that's just too bad,) and because of this people make assumptions about my personality. Many of the people I meet tell me they are suprised that I am so sociable, kind, and openminded. Several of those who think I'm just too good to be true make the assumption that these personality traits factored in with my looks must mean I'm some kind of slut. Not that I'm abstinant or anthing, but you can imagine it's quite offensive.
People tell me all the time that they are amazed with my personality, yet it is always my looks that brings them to talk to me at all.
Another thing about other people's perception of good looks, is their right to emotion.
Back when i lived with my mother, my stepfather was on to the lack of progress in my depression, and said to me, "you look so pretty today. why is [a] pretty girl so sad?"
It enraged me. beauty doesn't solve all problems. (im sure we can all agree with this after reading Boy's story.) Therefore, why should any quality of looks prevent me from unpleasant feelings? It was like the sheer luck of having an appealing face took away my right to any emotional value. Passion is the child of intellect and emotion, and is also the most satisfying thing for the soul to obtain. but since I am pretty, I can't be smart. Why would I, right? I'm pretty. Nevermind what I value, what i want in life. being pretty will automatically get it for me. I won't ever have to work for anything, so I should be happy.
I'd say we have the exact same problem, but inverted. I wish people wuld judge me solely by my personality. I feel it composes far more of who I am, and clearly my looks are not portraying me correctly.
I suppose it would be quite different for me though if I had social anxiety. I do hope you get to a point with it that you can stand.
As far as normalcy, I agree that it is, in THEORY, quite boring. But at the same time, it is what allows members of society to sucesfully interact with complete strangers, in that we know what to do in almost any given situation. without it, everything becomes akward and personal.
As far as social groups, I;ve actually found that larger groups are more accepting than smaller ones. the larger social groups have much more leeway and larger bounds to fit inside. For example, there are ten particular teammates I hang out with most. brooke, marissa, caleb, emily, matt, miguel, greg, alex, joseph, and brandon. When we are all together, no one calls me out over my sexuality. Yet I have heard directly from two of these people that they think it is unnatural and makes them slightly uncomfortable. And those are just out of the one's I've confronted when I noticed it made them tense for me to mention it.
Your personality might be formed from genetics and outside experiences that you have no control over, but if you have the presence of mind to know those things you can make the decision to change. It reminds me of that quote, "I can't control your actions, but I can control my reaction." (Perhaps that's an incorrect quote.)
No one would say change is easy and painless, especially concerning undesirable or anxiety problems. But to say it's outside of your reach is defeatist.
On a side note, I don't think changing your personality to "fit in" with others is really the best idea. But like many other things, if it causes you stress and discomfort then to alleviate that would be beneficial. And as a side, side note, I tend to judge people on their actions and personality... a kind person who isn't eloquent will earn my friendship quicker than a well spoken charlatan.
I also judge people by personality and actions, but i thought it necessary to comment that more often than not (at least for me) it is a person's looks that prompts me to speak to them. If they are attractive, are giving off positive body language, even something they are wearing/holding.
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
Bookmarks