The Principles of Enlightenment: Knowledge and its Influence

[Trojan_Ripper]

This thread is a carry- over from a previous thread and posts between Dismay and I, and was warranting its own separate thread.

The discussion and debate will be on the principles of enlightenment and the belief structure, along with its importance or unimportance in life. It’s abroad topic and should be followed branch by branch.

I’ll start with Dismays statement along with my original question and let him respond. Everyone is welcome to jump in anytime but it might be nice to start a “foundation” first.

Actually the freedom of religion you reference is an enlightenment principle not a religious one

Would you mind clarifying in detail the “enlightenment principle” you speak of. I believe this is an important issue.

I agree it is the key if not the only issue here, however I must ask for a clarification. Do you want me to go into further detail about this enlightenment principle or go through what the enlightenment is and what it encompasses as a whole? I could do both but Id prefer you would pick as to answer both fully and completely would take pages.

Well there are many opinions on “Enlightenment” and the philosophy attached, and I was looking for your beliefs, view, and your approach to the subject.

I agree it will take pages and therefore it’s probably better to start a separate thread on this topic. I think others here may be interested as it develops, or some who may want to focus on it. So I’ll start the thread using my last question and allow you to expand in any direction you feel.

[el ايمان]

I don't understand what you two are arguing about.

[linda_mary_13]

I perceive enlightenment as a product and philosophy the means, applied to an objective.

Religion is an institution which binds, preventing enlightenment.

Academic institution also bind, preventing enlightenment.

So what is the debate?. .

[Trojan_Ripper]

I don't understand what you two are arguing about.

There are numerous things to debate about “enlightenment”. After Dismay posts his viewpoints, we may have much to debate, or I may totally agree with him.

[Trojan_Ripper]

I perceive enlightenment as a product and philosophy the means, applied to an objective.

Religion is an institution which binds, preventing enlightenment.

Academic institution also bind, preventing enlightenment.

So what is the debate?. .

Your separation of enlightenment and philosophy is taken note of, but linda_mary_13 , you also go on and state that you “perceive” enlightenment a certain way, and then go on and state publicly how the Religion and Academic institution “prevents enlightenment”. How did you arrive at this viewpoint?

Presenting your views as fact without elaborating on them, and then asking ‘So what is the debate” tells me that you blew your wad on your first post.

[linda_mary_13]

Your separation of enlightenment and philosophy is taken note of, but linda_mary_13 , you also go on and state that you “perceive” enlightenment a certain way, and then go on and state publicly how the Religion and Academic institution “prevents enlightenment”. How did you arrive at this viewpoint?

Presenting your views as fact without elaborating on them, and then asking ‘So what is the debate” tells me that you blew your wad on your first post.

Well that is your perception and I could say the same to you.

Institutions set up what the leaders of the institution perceive. That which is outside their perception is not considered and therefore binds the individual to perceptions that may be lacking or completely wrong.

We believed the world was flat until we are able to perceive the truth. Religious leaders bind millions of people to false doctrines every day and academia does the same. What frees those bound is faith, not the institutions.

Enlightenment is the product of faith through means of a philosophy with a correct perception.

I don't mean to state this as fact, it is just my belief.

[Senor Hoint]

Why, obviously the enlightenment was a conservative and highly religious movement, opposed to godless liberal secularism...more historical revisionism from the conservatives is imminent, I fear.

[Trojan_Ripper]

Dismay-

Have you had enough time for your research? Time granted…. “and my time is worth more than your time” IMO Your stuff doesn’t equal my stuff….

Probably best we continue this entire conversation there, I just realized how far I sidetracked this thread. (Sorry 'bout that.) Anyway I'll take a look at the thread and Id also like you to grant me some time to research the topic and compose the post. I too have a lot of stuff to do this week as well.

I didn’t realize when I started the thread that you would have to “research the topic” as I thought you knew enlightenment principles by what seemed your candid reference of the knowledge. My mistake….You’re off the hook .