Osama bin Laden is a CIA agent!

[Rainbow]

Quote by: westcoastdog Rainbow, I used to be a federal investigator and so I look at all the facts and I especially pay attention to who benefits from a crime. I expected that Al Qaeda would blow up subways and buildings in the U.S.during the 2004 presidential campaign. Bush is supposedly bin Laden's and Al Qaeda's arch enemy, and his main strength was his war against terrorism. A successful terrorist attack in New York City or Washington D.C. would have undermined Bush's campaign and given the presidency to Kerry, a more moderate candidate. When my expectations turned out wrong (and I'm glad about this), I began wondering why there were no attacks. As we are well aware, our borders are a wide open sieve to illegal immigrants and tons of drugs are smuggled in weekly. If Al Qaeda had the sophistication to pull off 9/11, getting a few willing martyrs and a few hundred pounds of dynamite into the U.S.should have child's play. (digressing, I knew a fellow, who was subsequently murdered, who used to smuggle in freighter loads of marijuana into the U.S. when he was 25 years old.) So I asked myself could there be a reason why bin Laden didn't attack the U.S. during Bush's reelection campaign. Then I examined all the consequences of bin Laden's campaign against the west, and it became obvious immediately that Bush was the main benefactor. Almost every attack by al Qaeda strengthened Bush's goals. Even the Madrid train attack supported Bush by alienating the European public against radical Muslims; wouldn't it make more sense to placate Europeans, who already had a strong dislike of the president. There may or may not be a direct line from the CIA to bin Laden. But if there isn't, bin Laden is one stupid fellow, and the Muslims who consider him a hero and are even bigger fools.

If your determinations are correct, then there are key questions :
- what is CIA
- whom CIA works and/or serves for

According to your findings, CIA is extremely flexible body that is capable of executing numerous tasks aimed at any target, regardless of a subject's coordinates, potentials, ect.
If that is correct, then there is a crucial question (at least) :
- what is the reason CIA does harm U.S. for ?

Do you suggest CIA is "independent body" above any political and/or administrative structure, with (beyond reach) extremely powerful influence that U.S. governing body can not handle, control, compete, deal with, ect. ?
A sort of "state within and/or above a state" ?

Officially, CIA is a body that serves and works for the U.S. Unless you have some different materials on that subject, post it then. Other than that, your assumptions along with determinations do not make sense.
The exception : CIA is beoynd Mankind's intellect and/or reach.

Example :
During "Desert Storm" operation, U.S. did not enter Iraq in order to overthrow Saddam. By completing that task, U.S. had a direct access to Iraqi oil, in early '90.
Does it mean that manouver did not match CIA plans ? because CIA had already Osama scheduled for 09/11 events ?
Following that pattern, CIA is "the smartest body" on planet Earth. Those guys are better than all the Nobel Prize winners combined together. They are capable of doing whatever any destruction forces can assemble and unleash on Mankind, with ease.
A sort of "modern Terminators", with a primary goal ahead :
- destroy anything, so American people suffer the most and it is "fun" to watch all the Earth's inhabitants scramble for their life.
Closing and logical "arguments" should be followed by :
- Bush has set it up, along with Blair's blind supportive decisions
- some regional and local cons, pro-cons, anti-cons, ect. participate in that CIA program

What about Osama and his CIA's partnership/membership ?
Who cares, since it "matches" the whole concept.

I understand your points.
However, it does not match facts and/or logics.
Exception :
- CIA plans go beyond XXI century.

[westcoastdog]

Rainbow,

If you note that both my postings ended with the observation that it did not matter if bin Laden was a CIA agent as long as his actions resulted in supporting U.S. foreign policy aims. I wrote the essay with the intention of rattling the minds of Muslim extremists, who have apotheosized bin Laden and ignored the consequences of his terrorist attacks. The U.S. could not have asked for a better enemy. Bin Laden's strength is his rhetoric, not a modern army, air force and navy, yet the Bush White House portrays him on the scale of Godzilla, a monster that will destroy American cities. Without bin Laden and al Qaeda, the Bush administration could not have implemented his extreme foreign policy.

Looking at all the elements of this case, the simplest explanations are that either bin Laden is a CIA agent or bin Laden is allowed to remain free and alive because he is useful to the U.S.. Even Pakistan doesn't want to capture him because bin Laden's elimination will result in less military and economic aid.

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: westcoastdog Rainbow, Looking at all the elements of this case, the simplest explanations are that either bin Laden is a CIA agent or bin Laden is allowed to remain free and alive because he is useful to the U.S.. Even Pakistan doesn't want to capture him because bin Laden's elimination will result in less military and economic aid.

I vote for option B. We are afraid of terrorism, very afraid of it. OBL is the boogyman and if you don't put a face on evil people stop being afraid. He serves a purpose.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: westcoastdog Rainbow, If you note that both my postings ended with the observation that it did not matter if bin Laden was a CIA agent as long as his actions resulted in supporting U.S. foreign policy aims. I wrote the essay with the intention of rattling the minds of Muslim extremists, who have apotheosized bin Laden and ignored the consequences of his terrorist attacks. The U.S. could not have asked for a better enemy. Bin Laden's strength is his rhetoric, not a modern army, air force and navy, yet the Bush White House portrays him on the scale of Godzilla, a monster that will destroy American cities. Without bin Laden and al Qaeda, the Bush administration could not have implemented his extreme foreign policy. Looking at all the elements of this case, the simplest explanations are that either bin Laden is a CIA agent or bin Laden is allowed to remain free and alive because he is useful to the U.S.. Even Pakistan doesn't want to capture him because bin Laden's elimination will result in less military and economic aid.

I did noticed your findings. I did not raise them, though.

It looks like the whole situation - we have come up and deal with - was extremely well masterminded. If "true", that would take some decades to execute them all, without any disturbances. That is "why" I take it as too "true", and "false" in reality.

However, I agree with you on a subject :
- what stops U.S. (and its allies) to eliminate Osama for good ?
Musharraf is one of the key players. Those guys want money, that can be used for variety purposes, especially since Pakistan is not a "power" in almost any field. That may indicate Musharraf has cornered Osama and keeps him on a leash as a "bait".

[Plasma Snake[D]]

I think Osama is like Jaws. After people saw that movie they became all scared of swimming in the ocean cause they saw some dumb movie.

[Nono]

Quote by: westie So I asked myself could there be a reason why bin Laden didn't attack the U.S. during Bush's reelection campaign.

Yes. Just as OBL is Boy George's best friend, Boy George is Osama's best friend. Dubbya raised Osama's stock by about a zillion per cent, propelling him to the status of worldwide hero (you seen kids walking around downtown Dakar wearing T-shirts bearing his picture).

Bush is the best thing that ever happened to Osama. No way he was going to do anything that might jeopardize Dubbya's re-election chances. That's why he made the campaign video, remember?

Bush and OBL need each each other the way Reagan and Brezhnev did.

[westcoastdog]

A mutual admiration society. I wonder if they exchange holiday cards. BTW, I was in Venezuela recently and didn't see one Osama t-shirt. Che still lives.

[Plasma Snake[D]]

Really? what part of venezuela? I stayed in Caracas in El Candelario, then for a few weeks in Margarita.

[westcoastdog]

I was in the southeast for three weeks. The Grand Sabana, Mt. Roraima and Angel Falls, and just a brief stop in Caracas and two nights in Ciudad Bolivar. I wanted to buy some Chavez t-shirts for my lefty friends and couldn't find any for sale in any of the towns I passed through. I even asked my guides to search for me. I think I saw only one poster of Chavez too. I understand that Caracas has much more Chavez action.

[Nono]

Quote by: westie I wanted to buy some Chavez t-shirts for my lefty friends and couldn't find any for sale in any of the towns I passed through. I even asked my guides to search for me. I think I saw only one poster of Chavez too. I understand that Caracas has much more Chavez action.

What??!! You mean his portrait isn't hanging, by government order, in every square/bedroom à la Hitler/Stalin/Mao? You mean reality isn't as suggested by Fox News?

[westcoastdog]

I was in at least dozen towns and some government offices and didn't see any Chavez portraits. Not too many Americans either. There are various military checkpoints on the roads and they treated me just like any other tourist. I should mention that I didn't see any anti-American signs or posters anywhere.

During the trek to Mt. Roraima one of the nose pads on my bifocals broke, and when we returned to Santa Elena de Uairen, a town near the Brazilian border, I asked my native guide Ray to take me to an optometrist office. To my surprise we went to a military base where a Cuban operated clinic was located. This clinic specialized in eyes, nose and throat and pediatrics. While I waited along with a dozen young mothers with their infants, Ray took my glasses into an office where they were repaired. The service was free and I told Ray that I wanted to meet the head doctor and make a donation to the clinic. The doctor, who was no more than 40, declined my contribution and stated that all medical treatment was free (even for an American) and that his clinic treated 70 patients daily. My guide Ray had a cataract forming in the right eye and he said that the clinic had offered to fly him to Cuba for a corrective operation without any personal cost.

A few days later I was in the small town of Canaima, the starting point to Angel Falls. Canaima, which has a population of 2,000, is only accessible by aircraft because waterfalls prevent river navigation and there are no roads through the dense jungle to the town. The manager of my hotel said that Cuban doctors, including specialists, flew in monthly to treat the natives. Glaucoma is a major problem for the natives there, and again all treatment is without cost to the patients.

[Clarence]

Another benifit of Bin Laden for CIA/Bush Cabal. He can be a hero to unite the middle east. That's what they've been pushing for all along. It's not hard to connect him to Saudi Arabia. It's not working so well. Just a thought.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: westcoastdog I was in at least dozen towns and some government offices and didn't see any Chavez portraits. Not too many Americans either. There are various military checkpoints on the roads and they treated me just like any other tourist. I should mention that I didn't see any anti-American signs or posters anywhere. During the trek to Mt. Roraima one of the nose pads on my bifocals broke, and when we returned to Santa Elena de Uairen, a town near the Brazilian border, I asked my native guide Ray to take me to an optometrist office. To my surprise we went to a military base where a Cuban operated clinic was located. This clinic specialized in eyes, nose and throat and pediatrics. While I waited along with a dozen young mothers with their infants, Ray took my glasses into an office where they were repaired. The service was free and I told Ray that I wanted to meet the head doctor and make a donation to the clinic. The doctor, who was no more than 40, declined my contribution and stated that all medical treatment was free (even for an American) and that his clinic treated 70 patients daily. My guide Ray had a cataract forming in the right eye and he said that the clinic had offered to fly him to Cuba for a corrective operation without any personal cost. A few days later I was in the small town of Canaima, the starting point to Angel Falls. Canaima, which has a population of 2,000, is only accessible by aircraft because waterfalls prevent river navigation and there are no roads through the dense jungle to the town. The manager of my hotel said that Cuban doctors, including specialists, flew in monthly to treat the natives. Glaucoma is a major problem for the natives there, and again all treatment is without cost to the patients.

Off Topic
You had some kind of experience in Venezuela.
What about some films, clips, photos ?