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strawberijam518 · Jan 20, 2006, 04:30 pm

I am starting this thread to gather viewpoints on the origin of species...how we got here...the big question. If you believe in evolution, please explain why, state any evidence, opinions, or anything else you like. If you believe in Creation, do the same. If you believe in intelligent design, but not "GOD", please, explain your reasons, the difference between Creationism and your view, and any evidence.

Personally, I believe in Creation. More and more of the facts are beginning to point away from Darwin's theory of macroevolution, and even further away from the modern theories of evolution.

NOTE: I am a believer in Darwin's theory of microevolution (look it up)

NOTE: be nice

underbear1 · Jan 20, 2006, 04:38 pm

This is sure a treat, I don't think I've seen an evolution/creationism/Intelligent Design thread before.

kill me kill me now!

strawberijam518 · Jan 20, 2006, 04:42 pm

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This is sure a treat, I don't think I've seen an evolution/creationism/Intelligent Design thread before.

kill me kill me now!

you don't have anything else to say? you? an on-fire Christian? you don't have any evidence to back up your beliefs?

please post something useful...i've seen your previous posts and would be delighted if you would.

underbear1 · Jan 20, 2006, 04:54 pm

I've evolved beyond the need to discuss the merits of Creationism, (see you can learn from past mistakes.) Those who haven't evolved beyond this debate, will be too busy packing for the Rapture to come online.

RickSp · Jan 20, 2006, 05:00 pm

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I've evolved beyond the need to discuss the merits of Creationism, (see you can learn from past mistakes.) Those who haven't evolved beyond this debate, will be too busy packing for the Rapture to come online.

Personally I am hoping the Rapture arrives soon. Think of all the annoying folks who will disappear and leave us alone.

This topic has been bantered to death elsewhere.

strawberijam518 · Jan 20, 2006, 05:01 pm

your sarcasm amuses me, but seriously...

The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.

— Brennan Manning

I'm just a poor student researcher...please give me some simblance of a worldview on this thing

strawberijam518 · Jan 20, 2006, 05:02 pm

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Personally I am hoping the Rapture arrives soon. Think of all the annoying folks who will disappear and leave us alone.

This topic has been bantered to death elsewhere.

well thank you for your frankness...however, I haven't been elsewhere so humor me.

P.S. I'm one of those annoying folks who'll be disappearing

RickSp · Jan 20, 2006, 05:26 pm

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well thank you for your frankness...however, I haven't been elsewhere so humor me.

P.S. I'm one of those annoying folks who'll be disappearing

Ah the disappearing class..... What? Are you still here?

OK then, go to the Science & Technology forum on this board. The 'Creationism vs. Evolution' thread has over 1,000 responses. See if anything has been left out. That might be a place to start.

strawberijam518 · Jan 20, 2006, 05:30 pm

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Ah the disappearing class..... What? Are you still here?

OK then, go to the Science & Technology forum on this board. The 'Creationism vs. Evolution' thread has over 1,000 responses. See if anything has been left out. That might be a place to start.

Yeah...that thread is old, and I'm new...once more, please humor me. If I wanted to join in on a conversation with 500 people talking at the same time, I wouldn't have started a new thread.

RickSp · Jan 20, 2006, 06:02 pm

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Yeah...that thread is old, and I'm new...once more, please humor me. If I wanted to join in on a conversation with 500 people talking at the same time, I wouldn't have started a new thread.

With this Rapture thing, who knows how long you will be around....

From a post earlier today:

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"If the model proposed by Darwin is not considered sufficient, one should search for another," Fiorenzo Facchini, a professor of evolutionary biology at the University of Bologna, wrote in the Jan. 16-17 edition of the paper, L'Osservatore Romano.

"But it is not correct from a methodological point of view to stray from the field of science while pretending to do science," he wrote, calling intelligent design unscientific. "It only creates confusion between the scientific plane and those that are philosophical or religious."

In 'Design' vs. Darwinism, Darwin Wins Point in Rome

The problem is that evolution, whatever theory or version you refer to, is science and creationism and "intelligent design" are religion. As past threads have shown and as Fiorenzo Facchini so recently suggested, debating the two creates "confusion between the scientific plane and those that are philosophical or religious". It is arguing intellectual apples and oranges, to use the vernacular.

gallo · Jan 20, 2006, 06:03 pm

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Yeah...that thread is old, and I'm new...once more, please humor me. If I wanted to join in on a conversation with 500 people talking at the same time, I wouldn't have started a new thread.

So you expect everyone who posted into that thread to do it all again just to humor you? Sounds great!

By the way, the theory of evolution is neither philosophy nor religion. This is the wrong forum to ask your question. The Science & Technology forum would be a better place since the theory of evolution is a theory of biological science and creationism and intelligent design claim to be science.

So go ahead and read that thread, since what you are asking has been answered there. If not, after you have read everything, please ask some specific questions at the other end.

How about a moderator closing this thread?

By the way, no one who understands evolutionary theory "believes" in it. That would imply faith without evidence, like "creation science" and ID creationism.

strawberijam518 · Jan 20, 2006, 06:05 pm

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The problem is that evolution, whatever theory or version you refer to, is science and creationism and "intelligent design" are religion. As past threads have shown and as Fiorenzo Facchini so recently suggested, debating the two creates "confusion between the scientific plane and those that are philosophical or religious". It is arguing intellectual apples and oranges, to use the vernacular.

I disagree...if Creationism presents a theory on how we got here, what makes it not scientific? It's answering a question science has posed.

**Matt W** · Jan 20, 2006, 06:06 pm

Strawberijam518.....there is simply no need to start a duplicate thread. You may be new, but the info is right there for you to see, if you'd care to look. The rest of us have either debated this topic to death in countless ways, or gotten bored and wandered off. With all due respect, this thread is a waste of time. Unless you want me to merge it with any one of the dozen or so existing ones.

strawberijam518 · Jan 20, 2006, 06:10 pm

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So you expect everyone who posted into that thread to do it all again just to humor you? Sounds great!

By the way, the theory of evolution is neither philosophy nor religion. This is the wrong forum to ask your question. The Science & Technology forum would be a better place since the theory of evolution is a theory of biological science and creationism and intelligent design claim to be science.

So go ahead and read that thread, since what you are asking has been answered there. If not, after you have read everything, please ask some specific questions at the other end.

How about a moderator closing this thread?

By the way, no one who understands evolutionary theory "believes" in it. That would imply faith without evidence, like "creation science" and ID creationism.

FYI, I didn't pick which "category" my post would go into, K?

And when I use the term "believe" I imply what one holds as their personal worldview. If you understand something, yet don't believe in it, that would imply that you understand it but think it's not valid or wrong.

I understand the evolutionary theory just fine, but how bout you? Are you a believer in microevolution or macroevolution? Are you a Darwinist, a Gradualist (neo-Darwinism), or a Punctuationist (punctuated equilibrum)?

strawberijam518 · Jan 20, 2006, 06:12 pm

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Strawberijam518.....there is simply no need to start a duplicate thread. You may be new, but the info is right there for you to see, if you'd care to look. The rest of us have either debated this topic to death in countless ways, or gotten bored and wandered off. With all due respect, this thread is a waste of time. Unless you want me to merge it with any one of the dozen or so existing ones.

okie dokie then, thanks to all the folks here at Volconvo for being so supportive of inquiring minds...you've helped a bunch.

**Matt W** · Jan 20, 2006, 06:14 pm

For all those genuinely interested in this topic, go here:-

Intelligent Design vs ID

and start reading. It's only been going a month or two....a mere 68 pages at the time of this post.

madprophet · Jan 20, 2006, 06:27 pm

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I disagree...if Creationism presents a theory on how we got here, what makes it not scientific? It's answering a question science has posed.

Creationism, and Intelligent Design, are neither falsifiable nor empirically testable. They are not tentative, correctable, consistent, parsimonious, or progressive. By any measure, neither of these "theories" are at all scientific, and to claim them as such does a disservice to both science and religion.

underbear1 · Jan 20, 2006, 06:28 pm

Have a nice Rapture strawberijam.

strawberijam518 · Jan 20, 2006, 07:09 pm

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Creationism, and Intelligent Design, are neither falsifiable nor empirically testable. They are not tentative, correctable, consistent, parsimonious, or progressive. By any measure, neither of these "theories" are at all scientific, and to claim them as such does a disservice to both science and religion.

OK, so you're saying what makes something scientific is if it's varifiable, provable, or disprovable? What about evolution? We can't observe evolution happening, now can we. In that case, the theory of evolution isn't very scientific, is it?

**Jack** · Jan 20, 2006, 07:19 pm

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The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians

Wrong. While atheism doesn't have a cause, it exists as a belief because there is no god. Atheism is the normal state of the mind when not introduced to the supernatural superstition of theism. Atheism is what was here before theism and will survive after we advance beyond the need to believe in invisible father-figures.

Jan 20, 2006, 04:30 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
strawberijam518 Molten Ash Posts: 30	Evolution - Fact or Fiction? I am starting this thread to gather viewpoints on the origin of species...how we got here...the big question. If you believe in evolution, please explain why, state any evidence, opinions, or anything else you like. If you believe in Creation, do the same. If you believe in intelligent design, but not "GOD", please, explain your reasons, the difference between Creationism and your view, and any evidence. Personally, I believe in Creation. More and more of the facts are beginning to point away from Darwin's theory of macroevolution, and even further away from the modern theories of evolution. NOTE: I am a believer in Darwin's theory of microevolution (look it up) NOTE: be nice Last edited by strawberijam518; Jan 20, 2006 at 04:34 pm.

Jan 20, 2006, 06:06 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 6,351	Strawberijam518.....there is simply no need to start a duplicate thread. You may be new, but the info is right there for you to see, if you'd care to look. The rest of us have either debated this topic to death in countless ways, or gotten bored and wandered off. With all due respect, this thread is a waste of time. Unless you want me to merge it with any one of the dozen or so existing ones. I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Jan 20, 2006, 06:14 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 6,351	For all those genuinely interested in this topic, go here:- Intelligent Design vs ID and start reading. It's only been going a month or two....a mere 68 pages at the time of this post. I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Jan 20, 2006, 04:38 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
underbear1 BANNED Posts: 2,630	This is sure a treat, I don't think I've seen an evolution/creationism/Intelligent Design thread before. kill me kill me now!

Jan 20, 2006, 04:54 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
underbear1 BANNED Posts: 2,630	I've evolved beyond the need to discuss the merits of Creationism, (see you can learn from past mistakes.) Those who haven't evolved beyond this debate, will be too busy packing for the Rapture to come online.

Jan 20, 2006, 05:01 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
strawberijam518 Molten Ash Posts: 30	your sarcasm amuses me, but seriously... The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable. — Brennan Manning I'm just a poor student researcher...please give me some simblance of a worldview on this thing

Jan 20, 2006, 06:28 pm	#18 (permalink) (top)
underbear1 BANNED Posts: 2,630	Have a nice Rapture strawberijam.