Who would Jesus torture?

[Nono]

Quote by: tusaki The starting post is an insult and this thread should be in misc. I mean, seriously, what is there to debate? I'm sure there is lots to bicker about, but nothing said in this thread is enlightening nor entertaining at all.

No. The initial post invites the numerous members of this board who slavishly defend Bush (aptly known as "bushbots") to tell us who Jesus would torture.

Why Jesus? Because precious few bushbots fail to thump their chests and proclaim their Christianity. And -- correct me if I'm wrong here -- isn't Jesus supposed to have set us all an example of how life should be lived?

Not surprisingly, in four pages not one of them has taken up the challenge. Now does that speak volumes or what?

[brien]

Quote by: Nono No. The initial post invites the numerous members of this board who slavishly defend Bush (aptly known as "bushbots") to tell us who Jesus would torture. Why Jesus? Because precious few bushbots fail to thump their chests and proclaim their Christianity. And -- correct me if I'm wrong here -- isn't Jesus supposed to have set us all an example of how life should be lived? Not surprisingly, in four pages not one of them has taken up the challenge. Now does that speak volumes or what?

Nono wote in the initial post: "the Religious Right has all but seized political power in the United States"

I write: Neither have you taken up the challange to prove your statement with any statistics or reasoning at all. It is a inflamatory statement based in anti American ideology meant to goad your "bushbots" into a debate so you can spew your anti American hate all over the subject. Why don't you try selling that somewhere else because we seem to be all stocked here. Meanwhile, you take up the challange to support your statement, or retract it.

[Nono]

Statistics?! What the hell do you mean?

Here's reasoning, though: The Republican Party has mastered the art of tearing to pieces anyone foolish enough to challenge its hegemony (Did John Kerry bleed enough for them Purple Hearts? Cum-awn now! etc. etc. etc.) and, if that doesn't work, well they just steal that lil ol election, as in Florida 2000 and, very possibly, Ohio 2004 -- but let's not go there, right? No, so unseemly.

So the Republicans have a vice-grip on public office. And few Republican politicians would dare cross the Bible-bangers. Indeed, their sycophancy is audible in every utterance God-help-us.

That's Power.

As for "spewing anti American hate", to me the bushbots and those who guide them are killing America, at least the America so many of us used to admire.
You can carry on in that vein all you want, brien, but anti-Americanism has flourished across the globe under Bush. Ever think about that?

[Chris]

Quote by: Zealot Yes moderators, where are you? Do you condone the above name calling and deliberate anti-Christian slander?

Use the report bad post feature if you are offended. How are we supposed to read your mind?

[Chris]

Quote by: Zealot What did Jesus do when he cleaned the temple, remember the whip, huh? Tool of torture, right?

Hardly the same thing as strapping someone in a chair and shoving sterelized steel needles under their fingernails.

[brien]

Quote by: Nono Statistics?! What the hell do you mean? Here's reasoning, though: The Republican Party has mastered the art of tearing to pieces anyone foolish enough to challenge its hegemony (Did John Kerry bleed enough for them Purple Hearts? Cum-awn now! etc. etc. etc.) and, if that doesn't work, well they just steal that lil ol election, as in Florida 2000 and, very possibly, Ohio 2004 -- but let's not go there, right? No, so unseemly. So the Republicans have a vice-grip on public office. And few Republican politicians would dare cross the Bible-bangers. Indeed, their sycophancy is audible in every utterance God-help-us. That's Power. As for "spewing anti American hate", to me the bushbots and those who guide them are killing America, at least the America so many of us used to admire. You can carry on in that vein all you want, brien, but anti-Americanism has flourished across the globe under Bush. Ever think about that?

You claims of "stealing elections" are patently false. Sour grapes upon the behalf of the LOSERS. The election results have been certified by the electoral college but some people will never accept them. DENY DENY DENY. Yes, let's not go there, because there are winners and losers. The winners take power and the losers go home sore and blame everyone but themselves. The spin is relentless. Get over it already. I may not like the results of an election, but I RESPECT the ELECORAL COLLEGE which is more than I can say for the losers who claim election fraud.

Here is what I mean about statistics. What percentage and which wing of the Republican Party supports your statement(s)? Give us a breakdown of the RR and their participation in the Republican Party. Their power is exaggerated and overblown by people who seek to demonize and destroy them as a legitimate political group. I may not like the RR, but I say they may have a legitimate right to partake in the political process in America. I fully disagree that they have all but seized political power. I see no major influence in the culture, the economy, the government, or in society in general. I don't see it in the board rooms of Corporate America, nor do I see it in the major Universities of America. I don't see it in the mainstream entertainment in America. In fact, I see just the opposite in the entertainment industry and the major Universites. And I don't see it in the Government. Need I go on?

If anything, one can make an argument they do have an ear in the White House but how effectively that translates into action is subject to debate. They MAY indeed have "some" political power, but it isn't anything that is either sizable or important enough to shape legislation. GWB can't even get a Supreme Court nominee before the Senate that would vote against Roe vs Wade. So if they have any political power at all, it is indeed miniscule and not enough to even influence the American government never mind shape it as you would have us to believe.

As far as the Republicans tearing apart anyone who challanges their power, the Democrats do the same damned thing. It is inherent in Party Politics. So what is new?

You wrote that "Bushbots" are killing America". This is another exaggeration born of your anti American ideology and butressed by the media. You may not know or understand this, but America is much stronger, and much more resiliant than you allow it. One Administration doesn't America make, Nono. There have been hateful people around the globe since the Roosevelt Administration over 100 years ago that condemn America for being Imperialist pigs around the world. Ever since the construction of the Panama Canal, America has been the target of imperialistic accusations. True or not, these anti American charges have been leveled against the US since 1900. Ever think about that?

The Republicans don't have, as you would lead us to believe, a "vice grip" on public office here in the US. This is nonsense and another exaggeration. If anything it is a tenuous grip. It is my iunderstanding that the tied Senate votes lately have been broken by the VP. There are moderate Republicans like Senator Sununu of NH and Senator Collins and Snowe from Maine, and Linclon Chaffe from RI who keep the Party in a more moderate check. And Democratic Senator Joe Lieberman of Connecticut often reflects a middle of the road viewpoint as well. The recent elections in the Virginia and NJ point to an electorate that is tired of the Republican majority and is turning towards other types of politicians. So if this is any indication of the "off year" election due up in 06, it doesn't bode well for this Republican "vice grip" you state exists in the government.

And one more thing, just who are the "bible banger" Senators and Representatives you allude to anyway? Got some names? And what happens to those who cross them? Please be specific because so far you arguments are specious at best and deceptive at worst.

[shield772]

Quote by: |Chris| Hardly the same thing as strapping someone in a chair and shoving sterelized steel needles under their fingernails.

At least there steralized

[PatrickHenry]

I have an opinion that might not please anyone. My sig question derives from the well known current catch phrase, "What would Jesus do?" Maybe I'm mistaken, but I take this to mean, "What would Jesus do if he were a person of my limited understanding in my present circumstances?"

Some other recent derivatives include such trivia as what would Jesus drive and blog/surf/watch, etc. But my real interest came about when I considered Jesus' gentle life in the context of imperial warfare and aggression by my own nation. Who Would Jesus Bomb?

So when the justifications for torture started coming from those satanically holy White House squatters, I began to wonder how they could merge their ostensible faith and their despicable behavior. Funny thing is that the DU did a Bush-bashing piece with this title in 2004, but I never saw it until recently. Maybe some of you are aware of my shortlived thread expressing my scatological contempt for those who would excuse torturing human beings because they MIGHT BE terrorists. The administration here at volconvo prefers less spicy fare and deleted the entire thread after a few days. Too angry...

But to those who would use this thought as a means of attacking YHWH, I have this to say: He designed the universe and gave us enough information to avoid the consequences of our own wrongdoing. SOULS, once made, are not destructible. The torment for eternity is the continuity of consciousness without being in His glorious presence. He's inviting everyone to an eternal party, but most choose to slap His face and turn down His invitation. They would rather be "independent" and end up being tormented by their own choices. He told me this breaks His heart.

But it's a law of nature. Who among us can choose to break the Law of Gravity without consequences? Step off the Bay Bridge sometime. What happens?

YHWH made eternal souls. The unrighteous ones are unable to remain in the presence of complete holiness and find themselves in outer darkness. Shall the Laws of Nature be changed to accommodate the arrogant?

Tolja you wouldn't like my opinion...

[Chris]

Quote by: shield772 At least there steralized

Yeah, Ill bet you wouldn't mind having it done to you then eh? How can anyone have a rational discussion with someone who advocates torture?

[Jack]

How are we supposed to read your mind?

You wouldn't want to if you could.

[Zealot]

Quote by: |Chris| Use the report bad post feature if you are offended. How are we supposed to read your mind?

I cannot bring myself to tattle tailing. That's chicken

[Zealot]

Quote by: brien You claims of "stealing elections" are patently false. Sour grapes upon the behalf of the LOSERS. The election results have been certified by the electoral college but some people will never accept them. DENY DENY DENY. Yes, let's not go there, because there are winners and losers. The winners take power and the losers go home sore and blame everyone but themselves. The spin is relentless. Get over it already. I may not like the results of an election, but I RESPECT the ELECORAL COLLEGE which is more than I can say for the losers who claim election fraud. Here is what I mean about statistics. What percentage and which wing of the Republican Party supports your statement(s)? Give us a breakdown of the RR and their participation in the Republican Party. Their power is exaggerated and overblown by people who seek to demonize and destroy them as a legitimate political group. I may not like the RR, but I say they may have a legitimate right to partake in the political process in America. I fully disagree that they have all but seized political power. I see no major influence in the culture, the economy, the government, or in society in general. I don't see it in the board rooms of Corporate America, nor do I see it in the major Universities of America. I don't see it in the mainstream entertainment in America. In fact, I see just the opposite in the entertainment industry and the major Universites. And I don't see it in the Government. Need I go on? If anything, one can make an argument they do have an ear in the White House but how effectively that translates into action is subject to debate. They MAY indeed have "some" political power, but it isn't anything that is either sizable or important enough to shape legislation. GWB can't even get a Supreme Court nominee before the Senate that would vote against Roe vs Wade. So if they have any political power at all, it is indeed miniscule and not enough to even influence the American government never mind shape it as you would have us to believe. As far as the Republicans tearing apart anyone who challanges their power, the Democrats do the same damned thing. It is inherent in Party Politics. So what is new? You wrote that "Bushbots" are killing America". This is another exaggeration born of your anti American ideology and butressed by the media. You may not know or understand this, but America is much stronger, and much more resiliant than you allow it. One Administration doesn't America make, Nono. There have been hateful people around the globe since the Roosevelt Administration over 100 years ago that condemn America for being Imperialist pigs around the world. Ever since the construction of the Panama Canal, America has been the target of imperialistic accusations. True or not, these anti American charges have been leveled against the US since 1900. Ever think about that? The Republicans don't have, as you would lead us to believe, a "vice grip" on public office here in the US. This is nonsense and another exaggeration. If anything it is a tenuous grip. It is my iunderstanding that the tied Senate votes lately have been broken by the VP. There are moderate Republicans like Senator Sununu of NH and Senator Collins and Snowe from Maine, and Linclon Chaffe from RI who keep the Party in a more moderate check. And Democratic Senator Joe Lieberman of Connecticut often reflects a middle of the road viewpoint as well. The recent elections in the Virginia and NJ point to an electorate that is tired of the Republican majority and is turning towards other types of politicians. So if this is any indication of the "off year" election due up in 06, it doesn't bode well for this Republican "vice grip" you state exists in the government. And one more thing, just who are the "bible banger" Senators and Representatives you allude to anyway? Got some names? And what happens to those who cross them? Please be specific because so far you arguments are specious at best and deceptive at worst.

Thank you Brien, that was powerful!

[Zealot]

Quote by: Isherwood You wouldn't want to if you could.

Is this a one liner Ish?

[Matt W]

In the Misc. forum, who cares? Have you ever bothered to read the rules, Zealot?

[shield772]

Quote by: |Chris| Yeah, Ill bet you wouldn't mind having it done to you then eh? How can anyone have a rational discussion with someone who advocates torture?

Absolutely I would mind, but then I wouldn't commit a crime that would under my terms be toturable (is that a word?) but one day and I see that day coming I will be tortured and placed in prison and even executed for simply being a christian the persecution and hatred towards christianity has already started but as the Bible teaches, anyone who dies for or is persecuted in Gods name will have a special place in heaven. will you complain when they come for us christians or will that be justified?

[Matt W]

the persecution and hatred towards christianity has already started

Rubbish. Every action has a reaction. Christians (and other religious types) persecute all sorts of people - this is the people pushing back. Enough is enough. Do unto others as you would have done unto you - so leave me alone.

[RickSp]

the persecution and hatred towards christianity has already started

Quote by: Matt W Rubbish. Every action has a reaction. Christians (and other religious types) persecute all sorts of people - this is the people pushing back. Enough is enough. Do unto others as you would have done unto you - so leave me alone.

It actually funny when the members of the overwhelming majority start whining about persecution whenever they are not allowed to do whatever they want to the minorty. Poor persecuted Christians.

[Mr.Vicchio]

The Majority Chrisitan Faithful don't much like being told they are horrible, bigoted, ignorant, closeminded hate mongers. Perhaps RickSp, you should understand that attacking people with such rhetoric tends to make those attacked... surly towards you to say the least.

There is an attack on Christianity. I think this is more because it's "cool" to do right now... Whatever, I know why the anti-Christian views exsist. We have a set of morals and values that don't jive with those that want the freedom to whatever the hell they want when they want too.

[Samildanach]

The Majority Chrisitan Faithful don't much like being told they are horrible, bigoted, ignorant, closeminded hate mongers.

If the shoe fits...... :)

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: Samildanach If the shoe fits...... :)

Since the shoe doesn't fit, it's nothing more then hate spewed venom by those that cannot accept, cannot TOLERATE the opinions or views of others.

So Christians have a set of values that you dislike... so you think that GIVES you free pass to attack us?

Hmph, that's the same excuse bigots used to justify segregation.