Gay Island

[Son of Belial]

Well I remember reading someone who knew Alexander who said Alexander found homosexuality to be disgusting, but whatever. I won't argue on most of the others, but Lincoln I want to see evidence of.

As far as "you keep telling yourselves," why don't you keep pretending every hetero hates you? You remind me of a White supremacist, except you're like a gay supremacist.

[underbear1]

Lincoln shared his single bed for 4 years with a guy, and had a soldier in his bed in the White House when his wife was away............mmmmmmmm.........that spells big ol' queer to me.

I don't consider gay folks superior to straight folks, I just like gay folks more, and recognise the contributions gays have made to civilization, (which were somehow missing in History books until 20 years ago)

[Son of Belial]

Where are your sources for this info about Lincoln?

[underbear1]

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/printme.php?eid=57979

One of the few traditional Lincolnists to describe (however obliquely) the lifelong Lincoln-Speed relationship as homosexual was the Illinois poet Carl Sandburg, in his masterful, six-volume Lincoln biography. In the tome titled The Prairie Years (1926), Sandburg wrote that both Lincoln and Speed had "a streak of lavender, and spots soft as May violets." "I do not feel my own sorrows more keenly than I do yours," Lincoln wrote Speed in one letter. And again, "You know my desire to befriend you is everlasting." In a detailed retelling of the Lincoln-Speed love story — including the "lust at first sight" encounter between the two young men, when Lincoln readily accepted Speed’s eager invitation to share his narrow bed — Tripp notes that Speed was the only human being to whom the president ever signed his letters with the unusually tender (for Lincoln) "yours forever" — a salutation Lincoln never even used to his wife. Speed himself acknowledged that "No two men were ever so intimate." And Tripp credibly describes Lincoln’s near nervous breakdown following Speed’s decision to end their four-year affair by returning to his native Kentucky.


In the preface to his massive biography, Sandburg wrote that "month by month in stacks and bundles of facts and legend, I found invisible companionships that surprised me. Perhaps a few of these presences lurk and murmur in this book." Tripp’s book is remarkable and precedent-shattering because, for the first time, he restores names and faces (more than just Speed’s) to a number of those previously invisible homosexual companions and love objects of the most venerated of America’s presidents, among them, Henry C. Whitney; the young Billy Greene, a Salem contemporary of Lincoln’s and another bedmate (who admired Lincoln’s thighs); Nat Grigsby; and A.Y. Ellis.

One of them was the handsome David Derickson, by nine years the president’s junior, captain of Lincoln’s bodyguard Company K, the unit assigned to ensure Lincoln’s protection in September 1862. Citing a variety of sources — including an autobiographical essay by Captain (later Major) Derickson, Lincoln’s letters, contemporary diaries and historical accounts written while many of the witnesses to the Derickson-Lincoln relationship were still living — Tripp describes in great detail how Derickson was the object of "the kinds of gentle and concentrated high-focus attention from Lincoln that [Lincoln’s law colleague] Henry C. Whitney, from having himself once been on the receiving end, well described: ‘[It was] as if he wooed me to close intimacy and friendship, a kind of courtship, as indeed it was.’"

Lincoln’s seduction of Derickson was more than successful. Tripp discovered a forgotten volume of Union Army history, an account of The Pennsylvania Volunteers, Second Regiment, Bucktail Brigade, published in 1895 by Derickson’s commander, Lieutenant Colonel Thomas Chamberlin, who was historian of the Bucktail Survivors Association, and in which he recounted:

"Captain Derickson, in particular, advanced so far in the President’s confidence and esteem that in Mrs. Lincoln’s absence he frequently spent the night at his cottage [at the summer White House], sleeping in the same bed with him, and — it is said — making use of his Excellency’s night-shirt! Thus began an intimacy that continued unbroken until the following spring, when Captain Derickson was appointed provost marshal of the Nineteenth Pennsylvania District, with headquarters in Meadville."

The Derickson-Lincoln affair was common gossip in Washington’s high society, as Tripp notes with a citation from the diary of the wife of Assistant Navy Secretary Gustavus Fox: "Tish says, Oh, there is a Bucktail soldier here devoted to the president, drives with him, and when Mrs. L is not home, sleeps with him. What stuff!"

btw. gay republicans have been calling themselves Log Cabin Republicans after Lincoln for a couple decades, not too good a secret in my community.

[Chris]

forgive my sarcasm, but wasn't that Iceman they discovered in the alps considered gay by the gay community? I remember them claiming that "they" found semen in the guys mummified anus.

Don't know if there is a shred of truth to it though.

[underbear1]

Quote by: |Chris| forgive my sarcasm, but wasn't that Iceman they discovered in the alps considered gay by the gay community? I remember them claiming that "they" found semen in the guys mummified anus. Don't know if there is a shred of truth to it though.

Well he wouldn't be the first suspicious death of a military guy that was gay, Alan Schindler kicked to death by 5 fellow sailors, and another soldier (Barry) clubbed to death with a baseball bat while he was sleeping,(the day before the gay man beat his murderer in a fair fist fight.) But enjoy your iceman story, if you think it's cute.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: underbear1 Leonardo was busted on "unnatural acts" at 17, and spent his last five years with a young hustler who stole from him.

A few facts wrong but essentially correct. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo#Relationships

On Lincoln, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham...n#Early_career

Lincoln shared a bed with Joshua Fry Speed from 1837 to 1841 in Springfield. While many claim it was not uncommon in the mid-19th century for men to share a bed (just as two men today may share a house or an apartment), C. A. Tripp's 2005 biography, The Intimate World of Abraham Lincoln, suggesting that their relationship may also have been sexual, has generated a great deal of controversy. However, even when Lincoln was bittlerly reviled for any number of faults by many enemies during the Civil War, not one ever suggested he had ever engaged in homosexual activities.

Maybe Tripp is a gay spindoctor? Or maybe his facts are good but just unwelcome to an America that lionizes Lincoln. Personally, I despise Lincoln, not for "freeing the slaves" but for his tyranny in assaulting Bill of Rights freedoms.

[Son of Belial]

This must be a bad time for me to say Lincoln is one of my heroes.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Son of Belial This must be a bad time for me to say Lincoln is one of my heroes.

What do you like about the big Scarecrow?

[Son of Belial]

I don't remember.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Son of Belial I don't remember.

Rrripped Rrrin-tin-tin!!

[underbear1]

Is Lincoln now less heroic now it's known he's gay? Not on my side of the street.
Buchanan was also gay, and it was widely publicized in the tabloids of his day.

we're everywhere

[lili462]

whoa, lincoln was gay?

[Son of Belial]

According to some. I think he was a manly man.

[Jack]

Buchanan was also gay

Gee, I'm so proud. :rolleyes:

[Son of Belial]

How come underbear isn't pushing the "Hitler was gay" theory, or the "most top Nazi officers were gay" theory?

[lili462]

i dont think lincoln was gay.

[underbear1]

buchanan revelation only shows that there are brilliant and useless gays, just like straight folks.

[deedee]

Quote by: whydoumockme I have an idea....since homosexuals want all the rights as heterosexuals and a lot of people don't want to give it to them, why don't we just give themtheir own island?.....I'm not saying to ban them from society now........i'm just saying it mightbe a little easier....They can leave and come as they please and can have all the rights they want on their little island.....they'll still be under the American government but will kind of be a colony.....i mean their only like 1% of the American population and i doubt many people would miss them......so give them an island......what do you think?

I thought the island was named San Francisco?

Maybe when the great earthquake happens..........well perhaps portions of California, i.e., San Fran will become an island.

[underbear1]

How do say someone who is dead was heterosexual, someone say they hit on em?
Our society ASSUMES someone is straight unless their are photos showing they aren't, what a stupid concept. When a guy sleeps in a single bed with a man for 4 years, and sneaks his male body guard into his bed when his wife is away.........BIG OL' QUEER!