Gay Island

[Osborn F Enready]

Touche', that is funny.

The difference.....

FSP members are moving of their own will, to an already existing state, that happens to be one of the most liberty minded in the nation. They are doing this with the intent of furthering that liberty through voting, and running for office.

This is an individual, who wants to send the gays to an island where they can be all gay and stuff.....

Yes, the gay and stuff part was for humor only.

You do get my point though right?

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Touche', that is funny. The difference..... FSP members are moving of their own will, to an already existing state, that happens to be one of the most liberty minded in the nation. They are doing this with the intent of furthering that liberty through voting, and running for office. This is an individual, who wants to send the gays to an island where they can be all gay and stuff..... Yes, the gay and stuff part was for humor only. You do get my point though right?

I thought that the thread had been proposed as voluntary exile, so to speak, so I was all set to post in support of such a plan. After all, I support the Free State Project, and any other project that works toward getting the like minded people together. I would support the Gay State Project, the Marijuanna State Project, the NeoCon State Project, or any other sub-group you care to mention, I think that is how the country was intended to function.


If it voluntary, I'm all for it.

[phoenix_fire]

The whole thing should be left up to the states. Then the homosexuals can do like some of the Libertarians are wanting to do and move to a small state where they can eventually gain a majority, then let democracy do what it does. (I'm joking...)

[underbear1]

My sovergn Queer Nation is much quicker solution, adjoining a tribe's reservation, and is beneficial to both parties, the tribe receives more land which is on a 99 year lease to the gays/lesbians,(which is the way almost all the land of Hawaii is developed.) Besides I like the idea that the gays/lesbians within this seperate nation would truely be card carrying queers, (we have to have some way to identify members.)

[underbear1]

Uniforms will definitely be part of our community, it ALWAYS has. Badges and work camps, are hetero concepts, and the biggest ones weren't a matter of anyone choosing to go there.

[Strange Alchemy]

Well, actually, if they were all homosexuals, then they would "just go away"...eventually.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: underbear1 a 99 year lease ...which is the way almost all the land of Hawaii is developed.

Bullshit. Cite your source.

[underbear1]

When Malokii was opened to development of condos, my parents explored the possibility of buying there. The ownership of the land is retained in the Royal Hawaiian family's name, and the people who buy the condo are on land leased for 99 years, which is renewable if the Royal family agrees to that.

[underbear1]

Quote by: Strange Alchemy Well, actually, if they were all homosexuals, then they would "just go away"...eventually.

Nope you straight folks just keep cranking out a fresh supply of gay twinkies and diaper -dykes, there really isn't any way to stop you, so our Nation will just allow immigration of your latest batch.We have ZERO concern there will be any shortage, as long as you breed, we will survive.hey hey

Somehow someone got the eronious information that even if both parents were queer we'd be more likely to produce gay children, the stats disagree, gay parents are no more likely to produce like kinds than straight parents.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: underbear1 When Malokii was opened to development of condos, my parents explored the possibility of buying there. The ownership of the land is retained in the Royal Hawaiian family's name, and the people who buy the condo are on land leased for 99 years, which is renewable if the Royal family agrees to that.

The island of Moloka'i is one of the smallest of Hawai'i's inhabited islands. There is leased land in Hawai'i, true. There is also billions of dollars worth of fee simple.

Now will you generalize from a secondhand experience years ago on a tiny island to a statement like this:

a 99 year lease to the gays/lesbians,(which is the way almost all the land of Hawaii is developed.

I asked for your source, not an anecdote.

Aah, skip it. It's off topic anyhoo...

[underbear1]

Here is a link proving my lease lands in Hawaii, want to retract your BULLSH*T comment?

http://www.hawaii-real-estate-vacati...m/history.html

Lease versus Fee Simple
In Hawai'i we have a much larger percentage of residential lands held in lease than most other areas.
When you buy a leasehold home, you're buying the right to use the home (or improvements) for a fixed time period, but not the land on which the house sits. An annual lease fee, usually fixed for a long term, is paid to a landowner.
http://www.schha.com/dhhl.html

DEPARTMENT OF HAWAIIAN HOME LANDS
The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands (DHHL) was created by the Hawai’i State Legislature in 1960 for the purposes of administering the Hawaiian home lands program and managing the Hawaiian home lands trust. Currently DHHL is one of 18 principal agencies of the Executive Branch of the State of Hawai’i.



DHHL serves native Hawaiians or individuals of at least 50% Hawaiian blood, as defined by the Hawaiian Homes Commission Act of 1920, as amended, and their successors. These native Hawaiians are the beneficiaries of the Hawaiian home lands trust consisting of a land trust of over 200,000 acres.



Mission

“To manage the Hawaiian Home Lands trust effectively and to develop and deliver land to native Hawaiians. We will partner with others towards developing self-sufficient and healthy communities.”
Guess Native Hawaiians got tired of outsiders grabbing up their lands

[PatrickHenry]

Thanks for the link, underbear. It shows that you are actually into this debating thing.

I said "skip it/off topic", but at the risk of hijacking the thread a little further, did you not write that "ALMOST ALL" Hawaii property is developed on leased land? Would "ALMOST ALL" indicate 50% or greater? To my knowledge that is not the case, but if you have some source for that contention, I WOULD be happy to retract my crude accusation and to apologize profusely.

The Department of Hawaiian Homelands holds a significant portion of Hawaii's territory, but the total land area of Hawaii is approximately 4.1 million acres. 200,000 acres of Hawaiian Homelands equals just 5% of that figure. Now, other folks lease their property also, but by no means is there a preponderance of leased vs. fee simple land...

[underbear1]

Regardless of the amount of land leased, my assertion wasn't Bullshit, (and since my parent's condo shopping was my only experience with Hawaii real estate, and you are a resident, I'll bow to your more extensive knowledge of how many acres Hawaii consists of.) It's STILL the concept I'd use with a Native American tribe to parley for a Queer Nation, because it gives both parties a beneficial outcome. I would wager if one tribe had a sucessful queer community thriving near them, other tribes might want a similar deal, and queers could have sovereign conclaves in many states.

[PatrickHenry]

Is there a consensus opinion towards gays in the indigenous American people? Do you think there is a widespread distaste or would homos be welcome?

[underbear1]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Is there a consensus opinion towards gays in the indigenous American people? Do you think there is a widespread distaste or would homos be welcome?

I know of know of no consensus of various tribe's opinion of gays, some tribes do have a tradition of honoring "twin spirits" (someone who does not dress as gender expected) as shamans, other tribes have made statements condemning gay marriage. The tribe we would give land to in exchange for sovereignty, would not have to be especially pro-gay, merely gay-tollerant, and wanting an expansion of tribal lands. The concept of Americans purchasing land and deeding it back to indigenous people , might be so unique, that it would amuse and interest a tribe that is just kinda on the fence about gays. It's worth a shot.

[Jack]

Sorry. I have no desire to live in isolation, surrounded by those only like me. That would be grossly boring, no matter who they were.
Diversity is the spice of my life. I'll tolerate a few homophobes and whackos to be free and able to associate with all people.
(So yes, my blog entry was in jest and an extreme suggestion. But if you ever set up this "island", I might visit.)

[underbear1]

There's no reason that gays/lesbians who live in a sovereign conclave couldn't freely go out and visit the rest of the majority population. I for one would sleep easier knowing there was ONE place we(LGBTQ citizens) could go and not have to deal with homophobia. Consider it an oasis, and I'm sure I could get Isherwood a weekend pass to visit, since it's MY CONCEPT. Isherwood knows OUR community is the most diverse on the planet, so missing diversity, because I'm living with (like) queers, is a pretty thin excuse.

[underbear1]

I noticed in the first entry of this thread the comment, "I don't think anyone would miss gays if we left."
Probably would have missed, the concept of Democracy, written by Plato discussing Socrate's arguements. Probably would have missed Alexander, who for the first time united almost the entire known world, before he was 30. Probably would have missed Leonardo, and Michaelangelo and every other queer artist since. Probably would have missed Shakespere and every other queer writer since.
But your loss, is our island's gain.

[Son of Belial]

Yet you've talked about how you won't miss heteros. Double standard anyone?

By the way, historians of Alexander's time have written that he disliked homosexuality. I won't argue about the others, but Shakespeare is dubious at best. Same with Leonardo and Michaelangelo. Come on now.

[underbear1]

Leonardo was busted on "unnatural acts" at 17, and spent his last five years with a young hustler who stole from him. Michaelangelo wrote poetry and his drawing of Titus was a gift to a male lover. Alexander was queer, and a king who took a wife for an heir, (pretty common STILL) he went mad after Hephistion died, and had the doctor instantly murdered who was caring for his lover. btw. two of America's best loved presidents are pretty likely queer too. Washington wrote very incriminating "companion" letters to his younger companion Alexander Hamilton, and of course Lincoln has been outed too. Then probably the best loved first ladies Elanore Roosevelt had a lesbian lover.But we're just 1% of the population....keep telling yourselves that one.......as EVERY family in the Nation locates some member who's gay/lesbian. Even in awful families, Phyliss Schlafley's, Newt Gingrich's, Dick Cheney's and worst of all Alan Keye's.