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anti_drama21 · Nov 25, 2005, 02:07 am

I just have some crazy thoughts in my head, so I'm just going to throw them out there and get everyone's opinion on it. Please don’t get offensive on this subject, they are just opinions.

Lets say I kidnapped a 9 year old girl from one family, and a 10 year old boy from another family; enslaving both of them in my dungeon as my personal servants for 20 years. Then lets say I die an then my son take over for 20 more years. Well now the kidnap victims are now age 49 & 50 with kids of their own and of course they are kept lock up too. Well here is the kicker, if my son dies and then my grandson releases the kidnap victims a couple of years after his dad dies; should my grandson be viewed as a saint?

I’m just asking this question because this has happened in history and of course if you are smart, you can figure out what I’m talking about.

PatrickHenry · Nov 25, 2005, 02:19 pm

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this has happened in history and of course if you are smart, you can figure out what I’m talking about.

What nation do you refer to?

Certainly the one releasing victims of kidnapping and human slavery should be viewed as merciful. Hopefully, he would also help a transition to independent status with gifts of money, livestock or other valuables to recompense the decades of labor extracted from the victims. Still, I don't know if I would consider him a saint. Just a person with a developed conscience, something lacking in his forbears.

Where are you going with the question, ad21?

Compugasm · Nov 25, 2005, 02:19 pm

It's has something to do with Pennsylvania, but i can't remember what. Anyway, the grandson had a few years of slave labor there, so I don't think he's all that saintly.

Clarence · Nov 25, 2005, 02:58 pm

oh, the suspense. where is this going. This is so dramatic !

Son of Belial · Nov 25, 2005, 03:06 pm

I don't this allegory is a fair one, assuming it's what people are guessing that it is.

CoffeeSaint · Nov 25, 2005, 07:06 pm

Please note: this is the same person who started the "Racism in America" thread, which states that the problems the US has with racism would disappear if the races, specifically black and white, were separated. I'm assuming, therefore, that this has to do with the history of chattel slavery in the U.S; my guess would be that we are supposed to find the grandson is not a saint, is merely a man doing the right thing, albeit delayed, and since he waited until after his father was dead to do the freeing, he took the easy way out, and thus isn't such a great guy.
I'm guessing the "answer" is that the grandson is Abraham Lincoln, and this is a veiled criticism of his policy of enforced unity under one federal government. But perhaps I'm reading too much into this.

Anti_drama 21, the grandson is not a saint; he took advantage of the slaves until it was no longer convenient for him, so his freeing of them is not impressive. Go ahead, dude, tell us the rest.

Son of Belial · Nov 25, 2005, 07:09 pm

The big problem is, as I said, if that's the case it's an unfair comparison. In the story it's implied that this captivity was done secretly, which also implies that, if the rest of the people KNEW about it, they would be angry; thus, this kidnapping was considered immoral. In that case the grandson is not heroic but simply doing the right thing.

Slavery is a different matter. Many people found it to be perfectly normal and freeing slaves might endanger you. In that case you're going against the norm and endangering yourself which IS an heroic act.

Again, the allegory here is skewed.

Walmas · Nov 26, 2005, 12:50 pm

i have to agree with son of belial. Plus what makes a saint?

Nov 25, 2005, 02:07 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
anti_drama21 Freedom Posts: 6	Personal Servant: Saint or Not I just have some crazy thoughts in my head, so I'm just going to throw them out there and get everyone's opinion on it. Please don’t get offensive on this subject, they are just opinions. Lets say I kidnapped a 9 year old girl from one family, and a 10 year old boy from another family; enslaving both of them in my dungeon as my personal servants for 20 years. Then lets say I die an then my son take over for 20 more years. Well now the kidnap victims are now age 49 & 50 with kids of their own and of course they are kept lock up too. Well here is the kicker, if my son dies and then my grandson releases the kidnap victims a couple of years after his dad dies; should my grandson be viewed as a saint? I’m just asking this question because this has happened in history and of course if you are smart, you can figure out what I’m talking about. Last edited by anti_drama21; Nov 25, 2005 at 02:10 am.

Nov 25, 2005, 02:19 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Compugasm Son of X51 Location: San Diego Posts: 3,585	It's has something to do with Pennsylvania, but i can't remember what. Anyway, the grandson had a few years of slave labor there, so I don't think he's all that saintly. Last edited by Compugasm; Nov 25, 2005 at 02:28 pm.

Nov 25, 2005, 07:06 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
CoffeeSaint Moral Turnip Location: Oregon, US Posts: 2,283	Please note: this is the same person who started the "Racism in America" thread, which states that the problems the US has with racism would disappear if the races, specifically black and white, were separated. I'm assuming, therefore, that this has to do with the history of chattel slavery in the U.S; my guess would be that we are supposed to find the grandson is not a saint, is merely a man doing the right thing, albeit delayed, and since he waited until after his father was dead to do the freeing, he took the easy way out, and thus isn't such a great guy. I'm guessing the "answer" is that the grandson is Abraham Lincoln, and this is a veiled criticism of his policy of enforced unity under one federal government. But perhaps I'm reading too much into this. Anti_drama 21, the grandson is not a saint; he took advantage of the slaves until it was no longer convenient for him, so his freeing of them is not impressive. Go ahead, dude, tell us the rest. "Would you like some pie, Dr. Stark?" "Science is my pie. Curiosity, my sweet tooth. Knowledge is my candy."

Nov 26, 2005, 12:50 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Walmas Igneous Magma Posts: 349	i have to agree with son of belial. Plus what makes a saint? Dont pray in my school and i wont think in your church.

Nov 25, 2005, 02:58 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Clarence pregnant with truth Posts: 2,165	oh, the suspense. where is this going. This is so dramatic !

Nov 25, 2005, 03:06 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Son of Belial BANNED: Requested ban Location: Acheron 27 Posts: 1,461	I don't this allegory is a fair one, assuming it's what people are guessing that it is.

Nov 25, 2005, 07:09 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Son of Belial BANNED: Requested ban Location: Acheron 27 Posts: 1,461	The big problem is, as I said, if that's the case it's an unfair comparison. In the story it's implied that this captivity was done secretly, which also implies that, if the rest of the people KNEW about it, they would be angry; thus, this kidnapping was considered immoral. In that case the grandson is not heroic but simply doing the right thing. Slavery is a different matter. Many people found it to be perfectly normal and freeing slaves might endanger you. In that case you're going against the norm and endangering yourself which IS an heroic act. Again, the allegory here is skewed.