Is George Bush a Conservative beyond Rhetoric?

[Clarence]

I've been trying to find one thing he's done right. Cut and Dry. Somebody help me out.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Uhm... 9/11 skeptic?

Wait, you can't find any one thing Bush has done right, but you are skeptical of 9/11....

Uhm...


Right well... okay.

[Clarence]

That's what I said, sir. So I need one thing, just one thing he's done right. One conservetive value he's upheld. There has to be one. Help me out.

[Logjam]

Quote by: Clarence That's what I said, sir. So I need one thing, just one thing he's done right. One conservetive value he's upheld. There has to be one. Help me out.

Okay, here goes:

1. Under the leadership of the President we have invaded a country that was harboring and supporting training of people who with vicious weapons were planning to attack the US. They had already hit us. They killed 3,000 innocent Americans. Now they don't have the power to do so. (Unless they sneak across the border and load a truck or bus with a bomb, something that I think we have been remiss in planning for. President Bush isn't perfect. But would a Democrat do any better? They haven't given us any evidence that they would.)

2. Bush has supported a reduction is over all government spending, which has fallen 5% if military spending is left out of the equasion.

3. Bush has returned honor and morality to the White House. Even the most attractive assistant is safe around President Bush.

4. Bush as spread respect for our power and will to use it around the Globe.

5. Taxes were lowered as including capital gains tax and taxes on dividends. This has led to an economy that is growing at a perfect 4.2%, with 2.4% inflation and low unemployment. Interest rates are low and home ownership is great than it has ever been in our history.

6. The President has appointed Black Americans to the highest positions in our government, positions of prestige and power, something that has never been done by a Demorat.

7. Bush has grown the military and under his leadership morale is soaring. The men and women have faith in President Bush, and know that they will be backed up and not misused. Something that was remiss during the Carter and Clinton years.

8. People know that Laura Bush genuinely loves George Bush, and visa versa. This is a very Republican ideal.

9. George Bush isn't a fan of abortion, but he has said that he would not support its abolution.

10. George Bush has a long record of success in business. He has not spent his entire life as a public servant, but started it as a successful businessman.

11. During the VN War George Bush flew F-102 Fighters. While the war was about over when he earned his wings, he did fly over 500 hours. He did not dodge the draft and run to Moscow, as Clinton did.

12. When President Bush looks you in the eye you know that he means what he's saying. He speaks from the heart and does not waver. A Republican trait.

13. President Bush is optimistic and has faith in our system. Nor does he badmouth his political enemies. (However, lately he has been forced to be rather pointed toward the Demorats attempts to rewrite history w/t the reasons that we went to war.) He's respectful to former presidents and first ladies, unlike they are to him.

14. The President supports our right to keep and bare arms. Democrats don't, even if they say they do.

15. George Bush does not support our surrender in the face of terror. Many Demorats urge us to cut and run, giving huge support for the success of terrorist attacks.

[Logjam]

Quote by: Clarence I've been trying to find one thing he's done right. Cut and Dry. Somebody help me out.

Saddam Hussein has not murdered any more Shiites or Kurds since we invaded. Women in Iraq and Afphanistan can votes, for the first time in history. Schools and hospitals in Iraq and Afghanistan are up and running. Universities are running in Iraq and Afghanistan. Iraqi oil is producing at 97% of capacity. The Kurds are free. The Shiites are living in freedom and relative prosperity.

[Clarence]

Quote by: Logjam Okay, here goes: President Bush isn't perfect. But would a Democrat do any better? They haven't given us any evidence that they would.)

I agree, They didn't even represent their voters But that seems the norm. I not looking for a list of people President Bush is better than. Saddam didn't attack us directly by the way. I don't care how indirectly he attacked us, that is not justification for war in this world.

2. Bush has supported a reduction is over all government spending, which has fallen 5% if military spending is left out of the equasion.

Mostly true. Fricken 9/11. Things, budget-wise, would look a lot better (I hope) if not for Iraq. I notice that a lot of money is just squandered in unbelievable ways. No bid contracts and such. Fiscal responsibility. I don't care what the dems do. Gotta be the better man.

3. Bush has returned honor and morality to the White House. Even the most attractive assistant is safe around President Bush.

I don't agree with the first part at all. The second part, maybe. Bush could just know the kinda girl who don't kiss and tell. but even so, I doubt he's risk that. It would be a bigger deal to his voters than messing up and getting people killed.

4. Bush as spread respect for our power and will to use it around the Globe.

Seems he's only gaining respect from Putin, currently. Blair is reluctant as of late to be associated. Really, I don't place a whole lot of weight on what the "world thinks" because there's many different opinions amongst the billions of people and hundreds of countries. If respect matters to you, though, you shouldn't be happy with our man.

[QUOTE}Interest rates are low and home ownership is great than it has ever been in our history.[/quote]

All I know for sure is that on a $25,000 salary + bonuses at job for 4 years and having a mid 600's credit score, I can't get a house loan for my family without takin it up the arse from some motgage company. Banks won't touch it. I'm new to this process it probably is better now than it was. I know the feds been boosting the rates steadily.

6. The President has appointed Black Americans to the highest positions in our government, positions of prestige and power, something that has never been done by a Demorat.

true. but I hardly notice race. only the words coming out of the persons mouth in comparison to their actions. Same with everybody. You an affirmative action fan? doesn't matter. Condi Rice held the position "National Security Advisor" on 9/11. black white man or female republican or democrat. she failed to do her job.

7. Bush has grown the military and under his leadership morale is soaring. The men and women have faith in President Bush, and know that they will be backed up and not misused.

I'll just agree to disagree for now. Recruitment always falls off in war.

8. People know that Laura Bush genuinely loves George Bush, and visa versa. This is a very Republican ideal.

I hold love above any virtue. however love can be vain. especially in money and politics. She seems like a stepford wife. Every man good or evil needs a shoulder to cry on.

9. George Bush isn't a fan of abortion, but he has said that he would not support its abolution.

great!

10. George Bush has a long record of success in business. He has not spent his entire life as a public servant, but started it as a successful businessman.

sounds like he started serving himself then switched to helping others, right?

11. During the VN War George Bush flew F-102 Fighters. While the war was about over when he earned his wings, he did fly over 500 hours. He did not dodge the draft and run to Moscow, as Clinton did.

don't care what Clinton did in this thread. I think it was Canada actually. We can agree that Bush has never seen combat with his own naked soul.

12. When President Bush looks you in the eye you know that he means what he's saying. He speaks from the heart and does not waver. A Republican trait.

I'm not blessed with the ability to see people's thoughts through thier eyes. He definetly doesn't waver. Lack of compromise ends many of marraiges and relationships in general be it personal or even political.

13. President Bush is optimistic and has faith in our system. Nor does he badmouth his political enemies. (However, lately he has been forced to be rather pointed toward the Demorats attempts to rewrite history w/t the reasons that we went to war.) He's respectful to former presidents and first ladies, unlike they are to him.

If he was such a faithful optomistic person, he wouldn't be so scared of terrorists. They'll be dealt with by the perfect judge. God. After 9/11, George could've fixed the security breach. Planned to prevent the next attack. worked on a stronger coalition for the middle east and not get distracted from working for his voters. In football, defenses hated to see me keep getting up. Sometimes they'd lose the game a little more each time I got pounded to the dirt and got up with a smile. same principle. Righteousness is unbeatable. Be the bigger person.

14. The President supports our right to keep and bare arms. Democrats don't, even if they say they do.

our gov't in general is uneasy about us with weapons. Someone could provide me with more educational material on this issue. I just own guns. Legally of course. There was a ban on assault weapons recently.

15. George Bush does not support our surrender in the face of terror. Many Demorats urge us to cut and run, giving huge support for the success of terrorist attacks.

This is another issue.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here and start picking fights in your club. I'm not happy. I'm on the internet arguing instead of just playing my racing simulator. There's something for me to learn here. Perhaps I can make a difference, as well. Thanks for replying, dude.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Sorry Clarence, it is my experience that people that have, or proclaim "911 skeptic" tend to be... rather out there. I am a... skeptic of skeptics.

[Clarence]

I'm only skeptical of the official story. I lived 50 ft from wright-patterson airbase when 9/11 happenend. The night before 9/11 fighter jets warmed up taxied and took off one at a time. All night, no sleep. It wasn't uncommon for jets to take off, of course, but I wanted to find out why. It meant our gov't knew something at the very least. I followed that trail and found out that there was a anti-terrorism exercise that tied up most of our fighters on 9/11. also the reason Bush was in Florida. Dick Cheney and the Secret Service were in charge that morning. Part of the excercise. There couldn't have been a better day to carry this attack out.

Edit: http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/t...itaryExercises

Well, whatever the case, I'm not a conspiracy theorist in general. So do you have anything to say on the topic?

[Mr.Vicchio]

Which means hat to you? All this you have read? What conclusions or theories have you come up with?


(BTW what the hell do we need fighter jets for an anti-terror excersize for?)

[Clarence]

I've come to the conclusion that not all is being said. Thefore, I'm skeptical. It doesn't matter in this thread. The topic?