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eamad mazouri · Mar 18, 2004, 12:09 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Zeebadee,)
Someone's always being massacred somewhere. Shall the kneejerk response always be to send U.S. troops to fix the problem?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

US protests Syrian Repression against Kurdish demonstrators
http://www.kurdnet.net/www.kdp.info/news/n...intNewsNr=11268

Mia · Mar 18, 2004, 01:58 am

"Eleven political movements and other groups meanwhile called for a peaceful resolution of the unrest in Syria's Kurdish regions, where at least 19 people were killed and 150 wounded in clashes with the security forces."

See, now does this sound unbiased? It fails to mention what started everything - visiting fans at a game and rioting.

Does US protest Turkey's treatment of Kurds, which I am sure you will agree is a lot worse than Syria, or do we keep our mouth closed on it because they are an ally of sorts?

eamad mazouri · Mar 18, 2004, 02:42 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Mia,)
"Eleven political movements and other groups meanwhile called for a peaceful resolution of the unrest in Syria's Kurdish regions, where at least 19 people were killed and 150 wounded in clashes with the security forces."

See, now does this sound unbiased? It fails to mention what started everything - visiting fans at a game and rioting.

Does US protest Turkey's treatment of Kurds, which I am sure you will agree is a lot worse than Syria, or do we keep our mouth closed on it because they are an ally of sorts?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Various sources are not agreeing on the number of casualties.The reson is simple. In a country like Syria you will never know the exact number.The Kurds will try to inflate the number and the authorities if ever mention it would marginalise it.
read this new one:
http://www.kurdnet.net/www.kdp.info/news/n...intNewsNr=11276
It is tru it all started around a soccer game, but what many fails to point out it coincided with comemoration of Halabja where 16 years ago saddam gassed 5000 people to death.
Kurds have to understand that politics are about interest and not charity as once Kissinger pointed out and Kurds paid dearly for it 1974. Otherwise they would naive.

Mia · Mar 18, 2004, 04:13 pm

I understand the variations in number of causualties...what I object to is the impression that Syrian Security forces are "after" the Kurds which I don't believe to be the case.

There was a fight and a stampede at a game. Many were injured by the visiting fans or in the stampede, not by Syrian officials and I feel that this fact gets over looked a lot.

Then some Kurds went and rioted and broke out windows of government buildings and shops and I don't care what country you are in some people are going to get hurt/killed by police when this happens!

THEN you have the fact that Syria doesn't allow ANYONE to protest against the government.

I just think things are distorted a lot - by all sides in any situation.

I'm just looking for some balance.

Does the USA protest Turkey's actions? Would you agree it's much worse for Kurds there?

What about the 1.8 million who live in Syria as full citizens and hold any position other Syrians do? How is it NOT better for Kurds than in Iran, Iraq, and Turkey?

eamad mazouri · Mar 18, 2004, 04:35 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Mia,)
I understand the variations in number of causualties...what I object to is the impression that Syrian Security forces are "after" the Kurds which I don't believe to be the case.

There was a fight and a stampede at a game. Many were injured by the visiting fans or in the stampede, not by Syrian officials and I feel that this fact gets over looked a lot.

Then some Kurds went and rioted and broke out windows of government buildings and shops and I don't care what country you are in some people are going to get hurt/killed by police when this happens!

THEN you have the fact that Syria doesn't allow ANYONE to protest against the government.

I just think things are distorted a lot - by all sides in any situation.

I'm just looking for some balance.

Does the USA protest Turkey's actions? Would you agree it's much worse for Kurds there?

What about the 1.8 million who live in Syria as full citizens and hold any position other Syrians do? How is it NOT better for Kurds than in Iran, Iraq, and Turkey?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Now we are getting somwhere. At least you are aware of the fact that demonstrations are forbidden in Syria.And it is a very dangerous thing thing to do , it could bring certain death or at least life imprisonment on those who do that.
Look Mia, I have been to Syria. And I admit I saw Syrian people as most gentile among Arabs and I sincerely wish them the best. But only Damascus area and the west. This riot was caused by people of Der al-Zur who marched the strrets of Qamishlo prior to the game and chanted slogans in favor of Saddam and raised his portraits while insulting Kurds. Trust me Kurds are too afraid to staged something like this unless provoked.
I fully agree with you on that one. Turkey is treating Kurds much worse than any other place and is trying to intervene in Kurdish affairs in Iraq too by inciting Turkmens minority in Kurdish town Kirkuk.Turkey will end up paying dearly for that.As far as I know, US has not protested Turkey's treatment of Kurds. The Official US stance has been maintained that Turkey cannot resolve the Kurdish problem there by violence.
Syria,s biggest mistake was to continue not recognizing Kurds. Mr. Bashar al-Assad could have taken advantage of his ascendancy to power by recognizing them. All they want recognition in the constitution and participation in the democratis process. They are not seeking separation as some like to claim.

Mia · Mar 18, 2004, 05:08 pm

OK - but it's not helpful to distort the situation or to ignore Syria trets Kurds more fairly than anywhere. Yes, I'm aware Syria does not even allow a joke to be said about the President, much less protest in the streets. My point was it's being made out like KURDS aren't allowed to protest when it's everyone who cannot.

You didn't comment on the fact that 1.8 million live as full citizens and enjoy all rights and hold all positions other Syrians do. No where else does this happen! If you want to continue to improve that in the things you mentioned, fine. But at least adknowledge these things!

Middle-eastern nations are all intolerant. I defend Syria because while it is far from perfect, it is so far ahead than it's neighbors.

Women's rights, minority religion and ethnic rights, trying to get to democracy, stability....they re beginning to privatize and open up economy and freer press...the people are enjoying greater freedom than ever before right now under the younger Assad.

It is one of the targets of US for regime change which I think would be the absolute worse thing. To target a country going on the right path. So that regime can be replaced with a fundamentalist one (as long as it is a US ally we don't really give a crap if it is more repressive to it's people, etc.)

Don't you find it odd we would focus on Syria instead of Turkey? Which Kurds are you personally more worried about?

It's just another part of US campaign against countries not on it's side. And Syria isn't even against US - just Israel, but that is good enough for us.

It makes me sick.

eamad mazouri · Mar 18, 2004, 10:58 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Mia,)
OK - but it's not helpful to distort the situation or to ignore Syria trets Kurds more fairly than anywhere. Yes, I'm aware Syria does not even allow a joke to be said about the President, much less protest in the streets. My point was it's being made out like KURDS aren't allowed to protest when it's everyone who cannot.

You didn't comment on the fact that 1.8 million live as full citizens and enjoy all rights and hold all positions other Syrians do. No where else does this happen! If you want to continue to improve that in the things you mentioned, fine. But at least adknowledge these things!

Middle-eastern nations are all intolerant. I defend Syria because while it is far from perfect, it is so far ahead than it's neighbors.

Women's rights, minority religion and ethnic rights, trying to get to democracy, stability....they re beginning to privatize and open up economy and freer press...the people are enjoying greater freedom than ever before right now under the younger Assad.

It is one of the targets of US for regime change which I think would be the absolute worse thing. To target a country going on the right path. So that regime can be replaced with a fundamentalist one (as long as it is a US ally we don't really give a crap if it is more repressive to it's people, etc.)

Don't you find it odd we would focus on Syria instead of Turkey? Which Kurds are you personally more worried about?

It's just another part of US campaign against countries not on it's side. And Syria isn't even against US - just Israel, but that is good enough for us.

It makes me sick.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I wouldn't try to distort the situation on purpose.I apologize if that was the case.I will try my best to be frank with you.
It is true nobody has the right to demonstrate not only Kurds except the ones staged by the government.
About 1,8 m who enjoy full citizenship, Are you aware of the make up of Syrian society.It is a Alawite minority that is ruling Syria.They have too many enemies inside especially Sunni muslims such as the Brothers who have been sheltered and supported by some neighboring countries. The regime has nobody other than other minorities to depend on, that include Kurds and Christians and perhaps Armenians.The other side of the story is that Kurds have reached highest positions in Turkey too-we have already agreed that Turkey is worse than all of them- only as long as they don't claim they are Kurds, or to say they don't come out of closet.You have to agree with me Kurds are not first class citizens even if they have citizenship.That would the case as long as they are not formally recognized.
Let me say a couple of things I don't know if you are aware of or not. Syrians position until this very minute is that Kurds are immigrants from north and they can go back there.
The other thing I want to tell you is that Alawites are not Arabs, but rather Arabized Kurds. Go little north to see all the Alawites except Qasalbashi-Who are Turks- the rest are Kurds in Turkey today.
It would be great to see syria turning into a democracy peacefully for the sake of all.
I think it would terrible to let a fundamental regime take power in Syria or anywhere else, including Iraq.
As a kurd I am worried about all Kurds.Trust me it is a matter of time before the Kurdish jinni wakes up in Turkey and seeks its rights peacefully.Turkey wouldn't have too many choices then but to accept some kind of federalism similar to Iraq.
The way Isee it the Kurdish question in general is entwined with democracy in middle East without which Kurds as well as other nations would not enjoy any democracy, stability or prosperity.
Would you like to check this out.
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20...81745-7472r.htm

Mia · Mar 19, 2004, 01:17 am

I think alawites would disagree with you that they are Kurds. Many do not consider themselves Arab, either (but shhhhh, don't tell this).

I believe many consider themselves to be Assyrian, period.

Yes I am aware of the make-up. The fact that the alawite ruling minority has to gain support from other minorities is a positive thing. And they do not try to suppress the majority Sunni's - everyone is integrated into the government. The first lady is Sunni.

The Muslim Brotherhood is everyone's enemy - this is where Taliban and Al-Queda comes from.

When you spoke about hiding who they (Kurds) are, you meant Turkey, correct?

dalinlooter · Mar 19, 2004, 01:23 am

The Kurdish problem existed all through the modern history. After Iraq gained freedom and the establishment of Israel, the Kurds joine alliance with Israel and went against the Iraqis. It is a crime no Arab will forgive. There is no surprise that the Kurds are getting massacred in Syria, Iraq, Iran and Turkey. I think the Kurds should understand the reality that they have no existence of their own and join the mainstream life of the countries they are in rather than becoming the political games Israel and America is playing in the Middle East.

Dalin Looter
www.dalinlooter.tk
www.dalinlooter.us.tf
www.looter.co.nr

Mia · Mar 19, 2004, 01:30 am

See this is how crap gets started. Now you're saying Kurds are getting massacred in Syria too!

You're helping the great propaganda machine along.

eamad mazouri · Mar 19, 2004, 01:32 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Mia,)
I think alawites would disagree with you that they are Kurds. Many do not consider themselves Arab, either (but shhhhh, don't tell this).

I believe many consider themselves to be Assyrian, period.

Yes I am aware of the make-up. The fact that the alawite ruling minority has to gain support from other minorities is a positive thing. And they do not try to suppress the majority Sunni's - everyone is integrated into the government. The first lady is Sunni.

The Muslim Brotherhood is everyone's enemy - this is where Taliban and Al-Queda comes from.

When you spoke about hiding who they (Kurds) are, you meant Turkey, correct?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Mia, they might disagree with me, but as I said go little north and you will know who Alawittes are Kurds.Listen middle Eastern people have so much intermingled by marraige over thousands of years if they take DNA test, they all share a lot of same genes, including the physical appearance.
Yes, I meant Turkey.

eamad mazouri · Mar 19, 2004, 01:50 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (dalinlooter,)
The Kurdish problem existed all through the modern history. After Iraq gained freedom and the establishment of Israel, the Kurds joine alliance with Israel and went against the Iraqis. It is a crime no Arab will forgive. There is no surprise that the Kurds are getting massacred in Syria, Iraq, Iran and Turkey. I think the Kurds should understand the reality that they have no existence of their own and join the mainstream life of the countries they are in rather than becoming the political games Israel and America is playing in the Middle East.

Dalin Looter
www.dalinlooter.tk
www.dalinlooter.us.tf
www.looter.co.nr<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Do you mean Iraq gained freedom after Israel was born? Iraq was established by British colonials in 1920 out of Baghdad and Basra.In 1920 Sevres Treaty provided for a homeland for Kurds. In 1923 Turkish republic was established by Attaturk who rejected the terms of Sevres that was replaced by Lausanne Treaty of 1923 that ignored Kurdish homeland. Oil was discovered in Kirkuk, Britain wrestled Mosul Wilayet(Kown in international documents and treaties as Sothern Kurdistan) from French, it was exchanged with Syria. In 1926 Southern Kurdistan was annexed to Iraq against people's wishes.Kurdistan witnessed huge riots. Since Iraq had no power, the British Royal Airforce was used to crash the uprising.
You needed a lesson in history because it is obvious you don't much about the history of Iraq.
Why is Arabs give themselves the right to have relations with Israel and deny theat to Kurds?
Are you saying the reality of middle east that Kurds have no right to determine their own fate? You are wrong. Iraq proved that, and the rest of other countries will follow.
Let me see how many countries Arabs have? 22 and they are asking for another one, while denying Kurds a single country. Arabs want to force on Kurds to live with them while they are unable to unite among themselves. Let me make a deal with you here. Whenever, all the Arabs decided to be united inone country, I promise you Kurds will drop all their demands.You know why, because that is a dream that will never materialize, while the Kurdish dream is realistic and achievable.

RebelWithanAK · Mar 19, 2004, 05:54 pm

Thread continued here.

http://www.volconvo.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=965

Nono · Feb 15, 2005, 05:38 pm

Quote:

Quote by: TC

Let Bush knows that the only civilized & democratic people in ME are the KURD

I had no idea there were so many Kurds in Maine.

Scribbler1 · Feb 15, 2005, 06:25 pm

Quote:

Quote by: Nono

I had no idea there were so many Kurds in Maine.

They're all lying low in Kennebunkport. Incognito, dont you know. Ayep.

castille · Feb 20, 2005, 03:03 am

Nobody cares about the Kurds in Arab countries, because everyone thinks all Arabs love each other and hate Israelis.

Iraq is an exception, because the US needs more reasons for their invasion of Iraq.

eamad mazouri · Mar 7, 2005, 10:39 am

Turkey has totally lost it this time. Instead of trying genuinely to overcome the Turkish Kurdo-Phobia that would in fact lay a solid base to solve most of the problems the country is facing today,Turkish environmental officials found out somehow they have missed a very interesting area: the latin names of some animals that carry names of Kurdistan and Armenia.
For more details, please read the following news.
http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/a...p?enewsid=7600

Mar 18, 2004, 12:09 am	#21 (permalink) (top)
eamad mazouri Molten Ash Posts: 64	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Zeebadee,) Someone's always being massacred somewhere. Shall the kneejerk response always be to send U.S. troops to fix the problem?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> US protests Syrian Repression against Kurdish demonstrators http://www.kurdnet.net/www.kdp.info/news/n...intNewsNr=11268

Mar 18, 2004, 01:58 am	#22 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	"Eleven political movements and other groups meanwhile called for a peaceful resolution of the unrest in Syria's Kurdish regions, where at least 19 people were killed and 150 wounded in clashes with the security forces." See, now does this sound unbiased? It fails to mention what started everything - visiting fans at a game and rioting. Does US protest Turkey's treatment of Kurds, which I am sure you will agree is a lot worse than Syria, or do we keep our mouth closed on it because they are an ally of sorts? "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Mar 18, 2004, 02:42 pm	#23 (permalink) (top)
eamad mazouri Molten Ash Posts: 64	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Mia,) "Eleven political movements and other groups meanwhile called for a peaceful resolution of the unrest in Syria's Kurdish regions, where at least 19 people were killed and 150 wounded in clashes with the security forces." See, now does this sound unbiased? It fails to mention what started everything - visiting fans at a game and rioting. Does US protest Turkey's treatment of Kurds, which I am sure you will agree is a lot worse than Syria, or do we keep our mouth closed on it because they are an ally of sorts?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Various sources are not agreeing on the number of casualties.The reson is simple. In a country like Syria you will never know the exact number.The Kurds will try to inflate the number and the authorities if ever mention it would marginalise it. read this new one: http://www.kurdnet.net/www.kdp.info/news/n...intNewsNr=11276 It is tru it all started around a soccer game, but what many fails to point out it coincided with comemoration of Halabja where 16 years ago saddam gassed 5000 people to death. Kurds have to understand that politics are about interest and not charity as once Kissinger pointed out and Kurds paid dearly for it 1974. Otherwise they would naive.

Mar 18, 2004, 04:13 pm	#24 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	I understand the variations in number of causualties...what I object to is the impression that Syrian Security forces are "after" the Kurds which I don't believe to be the case. There was a fight and a stampede at a game. Many were injured by the visiting fans or in the stampede, not by Syrian officials and I feel that this fact gets over looked a lot. Then some Kurds went and rioted and broke out windows of government buildings and shops and I don't care what country you are in some people are going to get hurt/killed by police when this happens! THEN you have the fact that Syria doesn't allow ANYONE to protest against the government. I just think things are distorted a lot - by all sides in any situation. I'm just looking for some balance. Does the USA protest Turkey's actions? Would you agree it's much worse for Kurds there? What about the 1.8 million who live in Syria as full citizens and hold any position other Syrians do? How is it NOT better for Kurds than in Iran, Iraq, and Turkey? "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Mar 18, 2004, 04:35 pm	#25 (permalink) (top)
eamad mazouri Molten Ash Posts: 64	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Mia,) I understand the variations in number of causualties...what I object to is the impression that Syrian Security forces are "after" the Kurds which I don't believe to be the case. There was a fight and a stampede at a game. Many were injured by the visiting fans or in the stampede, not by Syrian officials and I feel that this fact gets over looked a lot. Then some Kurds went and rioted and broke out windows of government buildings and shops and I don't care what country you are in some people are going to get hurt/killed by police when this happens! THEN you have the fact that Syria doesn't allow ANYONE to protest against the government. I just think things are distorted a lot - by all sides in any situation. I'm just looking for some balance. Does the USA protest Turkey's actions? Would you agree it's much worse for Kurds there? What about the 1.8 million who live in Syria as full citizens and hold any position other Syrians do? How is it NOT better for Kurds than in Iran, Iraq, and Turkey?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Now we are getting somwhere. At least you are aware of the fact that demonstrations are forbidden in Syria.And it is a very dangerous thing thing to do , it could bring certain death or at least life imprisonment on those who do that. Look Mia, I have been to Syria. And I admit I saw Syrian people as most gentile among Arabs and I sincerely wish them the best. But only Damascus area and the west. This riot was caused by people of Der al-Zur who marched the strrets of Qamishlo prior to the game and chanted slogans in favor of Saddam and raised his portraits while insulting Kurds. Trust me Kurds are too afraid to staged something like this unless provoked. I fully agree with you on that one. Turkey is treating Kurds much worse than any other place and is trying to intervene in Kurdish affairs in Iraq too by inciting Turkmens minority in Kurdish town Kirkuk.Turkey will end up paying dearly for that.As far as I know, US has not protested Turkey's treatment of Kurds. The Official US stance has been maintained that Turkey cannot resolve the Kurdish problem there by violence. Syria,s biggest mistake was to continue not recognizing Kurds. Mr. Bashar al-Assad could have taken advantage of his ascendancy to power by recognizing them. All they want recognition in the constitution and participation in the democratis process. They are not seeking separation as some like to claim.

Mar 18, 2004, 05:08 pm	#26 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	OK - but it's not helpful to distort the situation or to ignore Syria trets Kurds more fairly than anywhere. Yes, I'm aware Syria does not even allow a joke to be said about the President, much less protest in the streets. My point was it's being made out like KURDS aren't allowed to protest when it's everyone who cannot. You didn't comment on the fact that 1.8 million live as full citizens and enjoy all rights and hold all positions other Syrians do. No where else does this happen! If you want to continue to improve that in the things you mentioned, fine. But at least adknowledge these things! Middle-eastern nations are all intolerant. I defend Syria because while it is far from perfect, it is so far ahead than it's neighbors. Women's rights, minority religion and ethnic rights, trying to get to democracy, stability....they re beginning to privatize and open up economy and freer press...the people are enjoying greater freedom than ever before right now under the younger Assad. It is one of the targets of US for regime change which I think would be the absolute worse thing. To target a country going on the right path. So that regime can be replaced with a fundamentalist one (as long as it is a US ally we don't really give a crap if it is more repressive to it's people, etc.) Don't you find it odd we would focus on Syria instead of Turkey? Which Kurds are you personally more worried about? It's just another part of US campaign against countries not on it's side. And Syria isn't even against US - just Israel, but that is good enough for us. It makes me sick. "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Mar 18, 2004, 10:58 pm	#27 (permalink) (top)
eamad mazouri Molten Ash Posts: 64	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Mia,) OK - but it's not helpful to distort the situation or to ignore Syria trets Kurds more fairly than anywhere. Yes, I'm aware Syria does not even allow a joke to be said about the President, much less protest in the streets. My point was it's being made out like KURDS aren't allowed to protest when it's everyone who cannot. You didn't comment on the fact that 1.8 million live as full citizens and enjoy all rights and hold all positions other Syrians do. No where else does this happen! If you want to continue to improve that in the things you mentioned, fine. But at least adknowledge these things! Middle-eastern nations are all intolerant. I defend Syria because while it is far from perfect, it is so far ahead than it's neighbors. Women's rights, minority religion and ethnic rights, trying to get to democracy, stability....they re beginning to privatize and open up economy and freer press...the people are enjoying greater freedom than ever before right now under the younger Assad. It is one of the targets of US for regime change which I think would be the absolute worse thing. To target a country going on the right path. So that regime can be replaced with a fundamentalist one (as long as it is a US ally we don't really give a crap if it is more repressive to it's people, etc.) Don't you find it odd we would focus on Syria instead of Turkey? Which Kurds are you personally more worried about? It's just another part of US campaign against countries not on it's side. And Syria isn't even against US - just Israel, but that is good enough for us. It makes me sick.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I wouldn't try to distort the situation on purpose.I apologize if that was the case.I will try my best to be frank with you. It is true nobody has the right to demonstrate not only Kurds except the ones staged by the government. About 1,8 m who enjoy full citizenship, Are you aware of the make up of Syrian society.It is a Alawite minority that is ruling Syria.They have too many enemies inside especially Sunni muslims such as the Brothers who have been sheltered and supported by some neighboring countries. The regime has nobody other than other minorities to depend on, that include Kurds and Christians and perhaps Armenians.The other side of the story is that Kurds have reached highest positions in Turkey too-we have already agreed that Turkey is worse than all of them- only as long as they don't claim they are Kurds, or to say they don't come out of closet.You have to agree with me Kurds are not first class citizens even if they have citizenship.That would the case as long as they are not formally recognized. Let me say a couple of things I don't know if you are aware of or not. Syrians position until this very minute is that Kurds are immigrants from north and they can go back there. The other thing I want to tell you is that Alawites are not Arabs, but rather Arabized Kurds. Go little north to see all the Alawites except Qasalbashi-Who are Turks- the rest are Kurds in Turkey today. It would be great to see syria turning into a democracy peacefully for the sake of all. I think it would terrible to let a fundamental regime take power in Syria or anywhere else, including Iraq. As a kurd I am worried about all Kurds.Trust me it is a matter of time before the Kurdish jinni wakes up in Turkey and seeks its rights peacefully.Turkey wouldn't have too many choices then but to accept some kind of federalism similar to Iraq. The way Isee it the Kurdish question in general is entwined with democracy in middle East without which Kurds as well as other nations would not enjoy any democracy, stability or prosperity. Would you like to check this out. http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20...81745-7472r.htm

Mar 19, 2004, 01:17 am	#28 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	I think alawites would disagree with you that they are Kurds. Many do not consider themselves Arab, either (but shhhhh, don't tell this). I believe many consider themselves to be Assyrian, period. Yes I am aware of the make-up. The fact that the alawite ruling minority has to gain support from other minorities is a positive thing. And they do not try to suppress the majority Sunni's - everyone is integrated into the government. The first lady is Sunni. The Muslim Brotherhood is everyone's enemy - this is where Taliban and Al-Queda comes from. When you spoke about hiding who they (Kurds) are, you meant Turkey, correct? "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Mar 19, 2004, 01:23 am	#29 (permalink) (top)
dalinlooter Sedimentary Rock Posts: 2	The Kurdish problem existed all through the modern history. After Iraq gained freedom and the establishment of Israel, the Kurds joine alliance with Israel and went against the Iraqis. It is a crime no Arab will forgive. There is no surprise that the Kurds are getting massacred in Syria, Iraq, Iran and Turkey. I think the Kurds should understand the reality that they have no existence of their own and join the mainstream life of the countries they are in rather than becoming the political games Israel and America is playing in the Middle East. Dalin Looter www.dalinlooter.tk www.dalinlooter.us.tf www.looter.co.nr

Mar 19, 2004, 01:30 am	#30 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	See this is how crap gets started. Now you're saying Kurds are getting massacred in Syria too! You're helping the great propaganda machine along. "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Mar 19, 2004, 01:32 pm	#31 (permalink) (top)
eamad mazouri Molten Ash Posts: 64	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Mia,) I think alawites would disagree with you that they are Kurds. Many do not consider themselves Arab, either (but shhhhh, don't tell this). I believe many consider themselves to be Assyrian, period. Yes I am aware of the make-up. The fact that the alawite ruling minority has to gain support from other minorities is a positive thing. And they do not try to suppress the majority Sunni's - everyone is integrated into the government. The first lady is Sunni. The Muslim Brotherhood is everyone's enemy - this is where Taliban and Al-Queda comes from. When you spoke about hiding who they (Kurds) are, you meant Turkey, correct?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Mia, they might disagree with me, but as I said go little north and you will know who Alawittes are Kurds.Listen middle Eastern people have so much intermingled by marraige over thousands of years if they take DNA test, they all share a lot of same genes, including the physical appearance. Yes, I meant Turkey.

Mar 19, 2004, 01:50 pm	#32 (permalink) (top)
eamad mazouri Molten Ash Posts: 64	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (dalinlooter,) The Kurdish problem existed all through the modern history. After Iraq gained freedom and the establishment of Israel, the Kurds joine alliance with Israel and went against the Iraqis. It is a crime no Arab will forgive. There is no surprise that the Kurds are getting massacred in Syria, Iraq, Iran and Turkey. I think the Kurds should understand the reality that they have no existence of their own and join the mainstream life of the countries they are in rather than becoming the political games Israel and America is playing in the Middle East. Dalin Looter www.dalinlooter.tk www.dalinlooter.us.tf www.looter.co.nr<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Do you mean Iraq gained freedom after Israel was born? Iraq was established by British colonials in 1920 out of Baghdad and Basra.In 1920 Sevres Treaty provided for a homeland for Kurds. In 1923 Turkish republic was established by Attaturk who rejected the terms of Sevres that was replaced by Lausanne Treaty of 1923 that ignored Kurdish homeland. Oil was discovered in Kirkuk, Britain wrestled Mosul Wilayet(Kown in international documents and treaties as Sothern Kurdistan) from French, it was exchanged with Syria. In 1926 Southern Kurdistan was annexed to Iraq against people's wishes.Kurdistan witnessed huge riots. Since Iraq had no power, the British Royal Airforce was used to crash the uprising. You needed a lesson in history because it is obvious you don't much about the history of Iraq. Why is Arabs give themselves the right to have relations with Israel and deny theat to Kurds? Are you saying the reality of middle east that Kurds have no right to determine their own fate? You are wrong. Iraq proved that, and the rest of other countries will follow. Let me see how many countries Arabs have? 22 and they are asking for another one, while denying Kurds a single country. Arabs want to force on Kurds to live with them while they are unable to unite among themselves. Let me make a deal with you here. Whenever, all the Arabs decided to be united inone country, I promise you Kurds will drop all their demands.You know why, because that is a dream that will never materialize, while the Kurdish dream is realistic and achievable.

Mar 19, 2004, 05:54 pm	#33 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	Thread continued here. http://www.volconvo.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=965 . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Feb 20, 2005, 03:03 am	#36 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Nobody cares about the Kurds in Arab countries, because everyone thinks all Arabs love each other and hate Israelis. Iraq is an exception, because the US needs more reasons for their invasion of Iraq. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Mar 7, 2005, 10:39 am	#37 (permalink) (top)
eamad mazouri Molten Ash Posts: 64	Turkey Changes the Names of Separatists Animals Turkey has totally lost it this time. Instead of trying genuinely to overcome the Turkish Kurdo-Phobia that would in fact lay a solid base to solve most of the problems the country is facing today,Turkish environmental officials found out somehow they have missed a very interesting area: the latin names of some animals that carry names of Kurdistan and Armenia. For more details, please read the following news. http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/a...p?enewsid=7600