Does our president hear from God?

[bishop]

heh.. yeah right. what a bullshit excuse.. "god told me it was the right thing to do."

i can picture it now.. god directing our bombs and bullets to their destined iraqi targets.. stain the earth with the blood of thousands of innocent civilians - all in the name of god.. torture your enemy in the name of god - forget about what jesus said about our enemies...


interesting how you know what god said to bush.. i must've missed that episode of god radio.

[Chris]

Quote by: sergeant I’m I missing something? When was he impeached for it?

Yeah you are missing something He was impeached in 1998

[Chris]

Quote by: sergeant Yeah, he comes down from Heaven and tells me in good old Pittsburgh English that Chris is... crazy man just a nut case! Just like that! No, when a Christian states that God speaks to them...it not as you and I do...it is spiritual...he leads your heart and mind in the right direction.....he doesn’t sit at your table and have a cup of coffee with you....if you said that...than even I would be concerned.

Even if he speaks to you on a spiritual level, what then does he say? If he doesn't literally say anything, then it is dishonest to say that "God Speaks to me" when he doesn't.

[Nono]

I thought God spoke Aramaic.

Quote by: Isherwood Don't you know? She's Jewish. Speaks Yiddish. Lives in Queens.

"I've been sitting here for 24 hours already waiting you should send me a prayer."

By the way, I doubt I'll ever here from gallo. Can anyone fill me in (as it were) on the meaning of "putz"? :)

[sergeant]

Quote by: |Chris| Yeah you are missing something He was impeached in 1998

I was in Germany at the time and not interested in politics at all at the time but I thought they were trying to impeach him but he was not impeached! Love to stay and talk you are all very interesting...but I’m being rude to guest....go to go! I had Fun!

[Jack]

putz; 1) (Yiddish) a fool; an idiot: 2) cock: obscene terms for penis

I suspect he was using definition one.

[Chris]

Quote by: sergeant I was in Germany at the time and not interested in politics at all at the time but I thought they were trying to impeach him but he was not impeached! Love to stay and talk you are all very interesting...but I’m being rude to guest....go to go! I had Fun!

No need to leave. :confused:

He was impeached on paper but was still allowed to run the country. I was not really interested in it at the time either. I saw no reason to treat him the way they did over a blow job.

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: sergeant Yeah, he comes down from Heaven and tells me in good old Pittsburgh English that Chris is... crazy man just a nut case! Just like that! No, when a Christian states that God speaks to them...it not as you and I do...it is spiritual...he leads your heart and mind in the right direction.....he doesn’t sit at your table and have a cup of coffee with you....if you said that...than even I would be concerned.

A dog spoke to Son of Sam. Is that the same?

I don't have a problem with people who see visions, hear voices, are "spoken to" by way of abstract feelings, have strange itches in funny places, or anything else you or I can't feel for ourselves. I DO, however, have a big problem with people who use these "feelings" to dictate national policy or to even expect anyone to blindly assume he isn't a crackpot.
If you want to run my country, show me something I (and people of ALL faiths, or lack of) can understand other than a strange buzz between your ears. How do I know it isn't a hangover?

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: tinybear I wouldn't want a dishonest criminal as President. Would you?

Ahh.
The double negative.
"Dishonest criminal."
No, we need honest criminals for our Presidents...

[sergeant]

Quote by: Scribbler1 A dog spoke to Son of Sam. Is that the same? I don't have a problem with people who see visions, hear voices, are "spoken to" by way of abstract feelings, have strange itches in funny places, or anything else you or I can't feel for ourselves. I DO, however, have a big problem with people who use these "feelings" to dictate national policy or to even expect anyone to blindly assume he isn't a crackpot. If you want to run my country, show me something I (and people of ALL faiths, or lack of) can understand other than a strange buzz between your ears. How do I know it isn't a hangover?

Christian or not presidents use their “feelings” or instincts to make decisions.

[Protostar]

Quote by: tinybear It's not only a character flaw. Who cares if we have a womanizer in the White House as long as he does a good job? But when the Presdent of the United States deliberately lies under oath, that makes him a criminal and the crime is one of dishonesty. I wouldn't want a dishonest criminal as President. Would you?

I could care less if he is playing around with a man so long as he gets the job done. Where Clinton screwed up (no pun intended) is when he lied under oath. You think he would have learned a thing or two from Nixon and Watergate, but I guess not.

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: sergeant Christian or not presidents use their “feelings” or instincts to make decisions.

I would say we all do, but there is a difference. Gut feelings, instincts, educated guesses, call them what you will they always come from WITHIN and shouldn't be credited to some outside force who, although being all-powerful, doesn't want to share this insight with the rest of us.

And if you know you will ignite a controversy by saying God is telling you what to do, what's wrong with SAYING your decisions are based on your instincts, or not explaining them at ALL, even if you believe they are divinely inspired?

I think Bush is pandering. Whether he thought to do it himself or someone told him it would be politically expedient to do so, it is still pandering. I have come to the conclusion that most times, the more somebody TELLS you he is a Christian the less of one he really is.

[sergeant]

I have come to the conclusion that most times, the more somebody TELLS you he is a Christian the less of one he really is.[/quote]

I'm not saying I agree with you on Bush...but this statement...well....sometimes!

Just to clear things up I just starting going back to church!!! So, I have a lot to re-learn before I can debate Christian values and a lot of changes to make before I can stand my ground as a Christian.

[Sonart]

Quote by: sergeant I was in Germany at the time and not interested in politics at all at the time but I thought they were trying to impeach him but he was not impeached!

Not to worry. You've fallen victim to a common confusion of definitions. Clinton was 'Impeached' by the House of Representatives, but that simply means that he was indicted, or officially accused. Impeachment is not the end result, it's the process. Once Impeached by the House, the President then went on to be tried by the Senate. If convicted by the Senate, the President could then be tried on criminal charges in a court of law, but Clinton was acquited by the Senate.

So when someone says the President was 'Impeached', what they're technically saying is that the President was 'Accused' by the House as part of a Constitutional process. He was then acquited by the Senate trial.

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[Scribbler1]

Quote by: sergeant I have come to the conclusion that most times, the more somebody TELLS you he is a Christian the less of one he really is. I'm not saying I agree with you on Bush...but this statement...well....sometimes!

I try to avoid absolutes, as there are plenty of people who are "mainstream" Christians but just can't resist talking about their faith, but most in my experience fit what I said previously.
Case in point; my neighbore are fundamentalist Christians, but you wouldn't know it. In fact, you wouldn't know they were religious at all if you didn't know them pretty well personally. I've known them for 20 years and I don't think I knew anything about their beliefs for at least TEN.

[Son of Belial]

Quote by: tinybear It's not only a character flaw. Who cares if we have a womanizer in the White House as long as he does a good job? But when the Presdent of the United States deliberately lies under oath, that makes him a criminal and the crime is one of dishonesty. I wouldn't want a dishonest criminal as President. Would you?

Somehow, I think if I worked a junk job like McDonald's, I'd get fired for doing what he did.

[sergeant]

Quote by: Scribbler1 I try to avoid absolutes, as there are plenty of people who are "mainstream" Christians but just can't resist talking about their faith, but most in my experience fit what I said previously. Case in point; my neighbore are fundamentalist Christians, but you wouldn't know it. In fact, you wouldn't know they were religious at all if you didn't know them pretty well personally. I've known them for 20 years and I don't think I knew anything about their beliefs for at least TEN.

I find that interesting because as a Christians you feel it is your duty to spread the word of God....so if your neighbor is a fundamentalist....I would think he would have saw a need to convert you.

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: sergeant I find that interesting because as a Christians you feel it is your duty to spread the word of God....so if your neighbor is a fundamentalist....I would think he would have saw a need to convert you.

I don't see it as a requirement for Christians in general to sell memberships in their "club".

That's one of the things I love about them, they are very devout but do not impose their beliefs on others, nor do they try to recruit anyone who shows no interest. They have invited my Wife and I to their church a few times and a family member is thinking of joining, but apparently they do not consider us "lost souls" in need of saving whether we want it or not.

IMO, that IS the essence of religion done right. It is something PERSONAL and you don't have a compulsion to talk others into it.

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: Son of Belial Somehow, I think if I worked a junk job like McDonald's, I'd get fired for doing what he did.

But being fired from Mickey D's isn't quite the same as being fired from the presidency of the United States.

But that's a non-issue anyway. It was a technicality forced by the Republicans to force Clinton to be nailed by the letter of the law. Watch how the letter of the law somehow has less meaning when Karl Rove, Scooter Libby or Robert Novak's asses are on the line. Extramarital affairs are almost the norm in DC it seems and Republicans are no different than Democrats in their inability to keep it in their pants. I think the Republicans screwed up royally in opening that can of worms because it sets a precedent and eventually it will be the Democrats turn to stick it to a prominent Republican and they will doubtless avail themselves of the opportunity.

[Ghumanto]

Quote by: |Chris| Really though some people claim to know God on a personal level, and having a spiritual enlightment is entirely different than claiming that "God Speaks to me"

OBL claims God speaks to him , asks him to destroy WTC , bomb trains in Madrid , kill a few thousand infidels ..........
Bush claims God speaks to him and asks him to attack Iraq, kill a few thousand infidels ( Muslims - terrorists ) ...........
You see the similarity here ?? Alas! God speaks to me when I'm drunk !