Americans only : Do you think Europeans hate YOU ?

[french_jew]

In the FoxNews' "My Word" a journalist questionned : "Why does John Kerry want to repair alliances with Europeans who already hate us? "

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/real/0,3782,...,7247:56,00.ram

Here are the facts :
- Headlines like "Bush's holy war", "When will America stop its Crusade" or "Why America is manipulated" (as if Americans are completly stupid !).
- The most sold book last year was an essai about how America invented Sept 11.
- An anti-American book is sure to become a best-seller (like "The Bushs' War ")
- Bush has been appointed as the man who "made our year very bad" by a popular and serious magazine.
- 2 french out of 3 wished Saddam would win over US coalition.
- After Israel (around 62%), America is the biggest threat to the world for Europeans according to a poll led by the European Union....and this with around 60% !
Are Americans happy to know their country is more hated than North Korea, Pakistan, Syria or Iran ??? I much doubt about it !!!

...and many other examples everyday on TV !


So here we are...

To me it's clear that a wide majority of europeans hate America...

Nathan

I am an American, and I can see how a country could be phenomanally offended by most of what they see of our culture. Unfortunately most of us don't feel as if we have any way of changing the perceptions of people we're not likely to ever meet- the Internet may be the closest chance we've got.

[Write Winger]

You need another answer on the list....don't care.

[tman_ndsu08]

What's not to hate about America as a state?

[Paavo]

Slightly offtopic;
"Do you think Europeans hate YOU ?" <---- I'm sure alot of europeans (I'd say the real "haters" are in other parts of the world than Europe) dislike the way America is being lead, not the American people as individuals.

[Mia]

Yes - I don't think they hate US so much as our government policies.

[Henry-Finland]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (french_jew,)
In the FoxNews' "My Word" a journalist questionned : "Why does John Kerry want to repair alliances with Europeans who already hate us? "

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/real/0,3782,...,7247:56,00.ram

I answer here in bold letters.


Here are the facts :

Are they facts or just FOX-"facts"?
You see, a FOX-"fact" has to be 235% factual to be a normal 100%-fact.
After living in Russia for almost 6 years, I came to the conclusion that a Russian "fact", has to be about 159% true to be a normal fact.
Just so that You can compare the creadibility <sp?>.
Anyhow, these definitions are soon coming up in 'The Oxford Dics' and 'Collins dics'.

- Headlines like "Bush's holy war", "When will America stop its Crusade"

The word 'Crusade' was used by Bush.
I have some questions about this:
- Why could Bush not wait 30 days as France, among others, asked?
- Why was the bombing of Bagdad and other cities needed?

or "Why America is manipulated" (as if Americans are completly stupid !).

You get better info from this board, or some other Discussion Boards, than from the main media.
Yes, many citizens of USA are manipulated! As people in the rest of the world.
Yes, half, last time almost half, are stupid, if they still vote for Bush. That is, from those that did vote, or was not taken away the right of voting.
Those that did not, but could have, are stupid and irresponsible.
US should come out from this two-party system to a multi-party system.

- The most sold book last year was an essai about how America invented Sept 11.
Cite please!
Btw. it would not hurt to read some books, where ever we live. Then Ann Coulter could not sell hers.


- An anti-American book is sure to become a best-seller (like "The Bushs' War ")
Anti-American or anti-administration?

- Bush has been appointed as the man who "made our year very bad" by a popular and serious magazine.
So, didn't he?
Every country (almost) wanted to fight terrorism together with USA. Then Bush showed his middle-finger to those that wanted to have some grounds for attacking. We knew, and still know, how hard it is to master a country with a different culture. Does Vietnam ring a bell.
Anyhow, Mossad [Israeli Secret Service] said, that USA will learn it the hard way. In approx. 20 years. Do You think that USA can march out next year? Or next decade?

- 2 french out of 3 wished Saddam would win over US coalition.
Cite? Is France Europe?
- After Israel (around 62%), America is the biggest threat to the world for Europeans according to a poll led by the European Union....and this with around 60% !
Israel and USA are both playing with matches at an oil-well, or at the ammunition plant, whatever You want to call it. Sooner or later something, somewhere will explode.

Are Americans happy to know their country is more hated than North Korea, Pakistan, Syria or Iran ??? I much doubt about it !!!
The administration is maybe not popular, but hated...? Do we need to hate North Korea, Pakistan (=US buddy-buddy), USA or anyone?
We do not hate people at all. we can dislike, even very much dislike governments, but we do not hate people nor governments.
To hate someone, which culture we do not know, on the bases of what some commercial TV is telling, is for manipulated stupid people.

Stay at Internet, at the Discussion Boards, and You will see how much info there is that will never reach the main media.

...and many other examples everyday on TV !
Sigh!

So here we are...

To me it's clear that a wide majority of europeans hate America...

Nathan<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

No! If You insist that we should use the word "hate", we hate only the situation:
- We can not do anything about it.
- People do not get information though main media.
- Bush is just a puppet and the guys behind the curtain are just laughing.

Once more, show me Europeans, that say they hate the US citizens. They don't, but claiming that in USA, sells well. E.g. in FOX. And FOIX wants to sell.


Henry

[AnonT]

Do most Europeans hate us? Prolly. I say fuck 'em.

So, France thinks that we have an aggressive, overbearing and damaging foreign policy? Look at their foreign policy in Africa. They're still the world's largest empire, they just rule under a different name. Nearly every dictator in Africa sends campaign donations and gifts to French politicians, who dole out foreign aid based on how much those dictators give back as donations. Chirac has called leaders who have been blacklisted by many countries for human rights violations his "friends", and most French politicians are just as chummy with some of the most evil people in the world.
Are some of America's foreign policy moves wrong? Yes, but France needs to pull the log out of its own eye before trying to remove the speck in ours.

Damn Frenchies.

[commonsense]

By the look of the frequent European demonstrations against Spain's and England's participation in Iraq, let us all admit that all our own governments' actions often do not reflect what we would hope is its core philosophy or its people's desires... However, these demonstrations took the form of anti-Bush and anti-Americans curiously more than they reflected criticism of their own leadership.
Europe is jealous of our freedom. Most Americans, (thanks to the successful deliberate efforts of our ideologically socialist school system to indoctrinate our youth and obscure truth) are too ill-informed, deceived or misguided to know their own country's true founding philosophies, let alone know enough that much of our foreign and domestic social policies are destructive.
Europeans are seething with jealousy because they thrive on misleading statistics that criticize the American quality of life and delude themselves about the extent to which they are trapped in an elitist preferential system that only festers their nationalistic resentments, class envy and their soon to become stifling centralization of economic control.
Europeans are tending the still-fresh graves of their parents from their last war, revolution or violent eruption, and pretend as they might to be so civilized, their next one is around the corner...gun control or not! And talk about Vietnam! The French started that one.
For a while, the less developed nations of europe will benefit from mass transit projects, etc from the EU, however, the graft that the leading countries will exact for this, like artificially buoying their national companies by allowing them to make inferior products less vulnerable to competition by forcing the recipient countries of EU largess to adhere to treaties and consumption quotas....and that's only one condition. Centralized control never works, it will all come crashing down sooner or later, and Europe will once again erupt in the same bloody mess it has done every couple of generations for the last 1500 years.

[Major Billy]

No.

Europeans rightly hate GW Bush's policies and actions, but so do Americans, according to recent polls.

Never forget, Al Gore beat GW Bush by 539,947 votes.

[Henry-Finland]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (commonsense,)
Europe is jealous of our freedom.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
You must be joking. Many of us feels sorry for the American people, the 'not so rich' half of it, when they seem just to be left drifting by themselves.
Everything costs too much: hospitals, education, etc. that are the base of human rights and the prosperity of a country.
Only a war can cost what ever it takes. The needs of the citizens should not cost anything, right?

What freedom? Could You tell what kind of freedom You have that we do not have?

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (commonsense,)
Most Americans, (thanks to the successful deliberate efforts of our ideologically socialist school system to indoctrinate our youth and obscure truth) are too ill-informed, deceived or misguided to know their own country's true founding philosophies, let alone know enough that much of our foreign and domestic social policies are destructive.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
How is it a "socialist school system"?
As far sa I see, Your media is "indoctrinating", one-sided, embedded and propagandistic. [Even if the same shit is also influencing our media as well.]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (commonsense,)
Europeans are seething with jealousy because they thrive on misleading statistics that criticize the American quality of life and delude themselves about the extent to which they are trapped in an elitist preferential system that only festers their nationalistic resentments, class envy and their soon to become stifling centralization of economic control.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

What kind of "quality of life" do You have, that we do not have?

Henry

[dotcoma]

I lived in Europe of almost a year. Most educated European's are aware of what is going on. They know it's not "the people" but a handful of terrorists with $1500 ties (on both sides of the Atlantic). "Europe" is JUST as culpable in the creation of this "New World Order" that the global elite talk so fondly of. America may be firing the gun, but it's Europe and the British and Dutch banks loading the bullets.

[jose]

I'm european: i don't hate americans I just want to try to show americans what is being done in thier name america used to be a beacon of hope for oppressed people throughout the world. monitery donations now call the shots for both republican and democrat candidates hey america you come up with so many good ideas wheres the third way? or is it going to be a choice between coke or pepsi again. I can't vote in your election but the way YOU vote affects ME if i didn't love what america stood for i wouldnt even waste my time posting on it.

[tusaki]

First of all, french_jew: why are you so hell-bend on creating an 'us' and a 'them' camp? evil, ignorant 'them'? I mean.. just looking at a few of your posts... I'm sorry, but they seem awfully ignorant.

I know absolutely no-one who hates Americans. The general opinion around here is that a conservative, nationalistic U.S. government is bad for the world and bad for Europe. So naturaly there is anti-Bush-administration sentiment. Being mostly socialist-democrats, the people feel more kinship with the U.S. Democrats than the U.S. Republican party. Besides bickering among ourselves how our own government should be ran, we love looking at the other side of the atlantic, both for examples of how to do as well as how not to do things. We still feel a sense of 'brotherhood', since we (US/EU), together with Canada are the 'western' world. So it's nonsense to say we 'hate' the american people.

commonsense: jealous? of freedom? class envy? Have you even lived in Europe? Have you ever even seen a European besides in a comic book? or -gasp- spoken to him? It seems not.

[Henry-Finland]

Yeah, Roxdog, Jose and tusaki got it right!

Henry

[Henry-Finland]

Yes, and it is discriminating that here is no separate "European only"-poll nor "Rest of the world only"-poll.

Btw. Australia is also a part of 'the western democracies'.

Henry

[tusaki]

Forgot about the Aussies.. always hiding down-under. <haha> .. ok ok.. might as well add New Zealand too.

[Stigmata66]

I was an exchange student in Germany last summer and I received NO critism about being American. I was occasionally asked about Iraq and our government but nothing negative towards me. So from what I can tell if they have quarrel with our government not the citizens, if any. I am not sure about other European countries though.

[syracusa]

Originally posted by commonsense, Europeans are seething with jealousy because they thrive on misleading statistics that criticize the American quality of life

I have lived in both Europe and the US for long enough to see and feel for myself what's up with the "quality of life" without needing to rely on centralized statistics to find out.

The quality of life in Europe is infinitely higher than the quality of life in the US. By far - without any doubt.

You can buy more stuff in the US.
Quality of life does not equal how much stuff you can buy.

[PatrickHenry]

European visitors to Hawaii seem to enjoy America. Europeans have a little more perspective on international politics because they aren't so deluged with CIA controlled media lies. Their press has a more independent agenda. Like roxdog says though, the NWO is stateless and relentless in its hegemony.