Barbara Olson Survived 911 Pentagon Crash

[northtexan]

Quote by: RickSp I love it. You post a bizarre bit of fiction featuring counterfit "lyra" and the Polish/Austrian border which gave most of us a good chuckle. Now you just keep going. More conspiracy foolishness. Hijackers jumping out of planes with Olsen tagging along. Amusing at least. And how can a 757 make a 20 foot diameter hole? Given that the fuselage is 13 feet in diameter, doesn't seem too hard to me. And very tricky how they managed to plant the airplane engines, seats and wheels in the wreckage, not to mention the bodies. Please do not misunderstand the last comment as an interest in discussing the topic. I really don't.

Yeah, but you don't explain how a 757 stuffed with counterfeit Italian lira that landed on the Austria-Polish nonborder in 2005 could have made a 20ft. hole in the Pentagon in 2001, do you? See: loose ends, loose ends!

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: RickSp And how can a 757 make a 20 foot diameter hole? Given that the fuselage is 13 feet in diameter, doesn't seem too hard to me

And the right wing/TURBINE didnt even scratch a brick?

Engines used on a 757: Two 166.4kN (37,400lb) Rolls-Royce RB211-535C turbofans, or 178.8kN (40,200lb) RB211-535E4s, or 193.5kN (43,500lb) RB211-535E4-Bs, or 162.8kN (36,600lb) Pratt & Whitney PW2037s, or two 178.4kN (40,100lb) PW2040s, or 189.5kN (42,600lb) PW2043s. (source1) (source2)

You would think 40,000 lb turbines would leave a mark on the bricks if it was travelling fast enuff for the aluminum fuselage to penetrate the recently reinforced facade.

We ARE being lied to.
The Big Lie

Quote by: northtexan Yeah, but you don't explain how a 757 stuffed with counterfeit Italian lira that landed on the Austria-Polish nonborder in 2005 could have made a 20ft. hole in the Pentagon in 2001, do you?

Flight 77 could have landed at lots of places on 911. Olson has been laying low in Vatican city, lets say, giving BJ's to the pope, she had a VATICAN passport. The Vatican could still be laundering LIRA, which is still used in some countries

Lira is the name of the monetary unit of a number of countries, as well as the former currency of Italy, San Marino and the Vatican City.

[RickSp]

Quote by: northtexan Yeah, but you don't explain how a 757 stuffed with counterfeit Italian lira that landed on the Austria-Polish nonborder in 2005 could have made a 20ft. hole in the Pentagon in 2001, do you? See: loose ends, loose ends!

That is counterfeit lyra, sir.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Nono why is she so dumb as to be counterfeiting Italian "lyra"

Never heard of a frame-up?

[RickSp]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel We ARE being lied to. The Big Lie

Suspension of disbelief

I guess you misunderstood my comment that I have zero interest in discussing this topic.

If you want to read about turbines and wings and debris, be my guest, but I have no interest.

Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11

[Sonart]

Sorry Daniel... I just don't believe it. Try again when you get a more legitimate source.

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[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: RickSp If you want to read about turbines and wings and debris, be my guest, but I have no interest

OK, So I just need to believe all of this:

.......fit in a 20 foot hole. And move along. Right? mmmk

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Sonart Sorry Daniel... I just don't believe it. Try again when you get a more legitimate source.

I only wish her conscience got to her before the warden of prison planet.
I admit this source can be a bit out there, I dont frequent the site. But the concept is not irrefutable.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel We ARE being lied to. The Big Lie Quote by: RickSp Suspension of disbelief

I can do that for works that I find in the FICTION section. I have trouble dismissing impossibilities presented as fact.

Where the Barbara Olson story is concerned, I reserve/suspend a conclusion until more is revealed.
The Austria falacy could have been made by somebody as keen on geography as me (Not so keen ) What other flaws were in the story?
I wouldnt expect MSM to cover such a story anytime soon, especially if its true.

Could one of our German speaking regulars (NoNo?) look it up in the foreign press?

[Sonart]

Quote by: RickSp OK, So I just need to believe all of this: .......fit in a 20 foot hole. And move along. Right? mmmk

Don't even start, Rick. This nonsense has been SOOOO debunked. Don't embarrass yourself, I think far too highly of your other postings.

There's eyewitnesses by the dozen. And this is more than a 20 foot hole.

[Chris]

Those who are blind to the facts right under their noses, will never believe.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Sonart Don't even start, Rick.

You attributed my words to Rick. Not sure what you are saying.

Quote by: Sonart There's eyewitnesses by the dozen. And this is more than a 20 foot hole.

Actually I was referring to the hole before the collapse. It was LESS than 20 ft, closer to 16-18 feet in diameter. The turbines are made of steel, very dense, why didnt they leave a mark? If there is nothing to hide, why not release the video from the gas station accross the street? It had the perfect angle and would remove all doubt.

Also, The Pentagon has less security cams than a gas station?
Yeah, right ....ok...mmmmHmmmm.

[RickSp]

Quote by: Sonart Don't even start, Rick. This nonsense has been SOOOO debunked. Don't embarrass yourself, I think far too highly of your other postings.

Who in the hell are you talking to? Have you read nothing of what I have posted on this thread? Sweet Jaysus. I have been slandered.

I demand satisfaction, sir. A duel at dawn on the Polish-Austrian border.

[gr8fuldaniel]

How a little lie begets other little lies.

Did Olson really call her husband? One especially glaring defect to the "story".....

But it is at this juncture that we finally have the terminal error. Though the American Airlines Boeing 757 is fitted with individual telephones at each seat position, they are not of the variety where you can simply pick up the handset and ask for an operator. On many aircraft you can talk from one seat to another in the aircraft free of charge, but if you wish to access the outside world you must first swipe your credit card through the telephone. By Ted Olson’s own admission, Barbara did not have a credit card with her. It gets worse. On American Airlines there is a telephone "setup" charge of US$2.50 which can only be paid by credit card, then a US$2.50 (sometimes US$5.00) charge per minute of speech thereafter. The setup charge is the crucial element. Without paying it in advance by swiping your credit card you cannot access the external telephone network. Under these circumstances the passengers’ seat phone on a Boeing 757 is a much use as a plastic toy. Perhaps Ted Olson made a mistake and Barbara managed to borrow a credit card from a fellow passenger? Not a chance. If Barbara had done so, once swiped through the phone, the credit card would have enabled her to call whoever she wanted to for as long as she liked, negating any requirement to call collect. Sadly perhaps, the Olson telephone call claim is proved untrue. Any American official wishing to challenge this has only to subpoena the telephone company and Justice Department records. There will be no charge originating from American Airlines 77 to the US Solicitor General. More, much, much more....

[dotcoma]

heeeeh...you guys are ruthless! Watching the debunking of this stuff is invigorating. Dan, Chris said all that needs to be said:

Quote by: |Chris| Those who are blind to the facts right under their noses, will never believe.

HAR INDEED

[Sonart]

Quote by: RickSp Who in the hell are you talking to?

Ooops! My bad... I somehow got you confused with Daniel. :eek: I'm a fan of your posts, Rick, so I shoulda known. Doh!!

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Actually I was referring to the hole before the collapse. It was LESS than 20 ft, closer to 16-18 feet in diameter.

What 20 ft hole before what collapse? Where do you get this nonsense?

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel If there is nothing to hide, why not release the video from the gas station accross the street? It had the perfect angle and would remove all doubt.

Says you. And once again, how do you discount all the eyewitnesses? Mass hysteria? Sun got in their eyes?

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[RickSp]

Off topic? I don't think so. All conspiracy theories are related, one way or another.

Japanese Mafia created Hurricane Katrina with Russian Generator!

To the rest of the country, Scott Stevens is the Idaho weatherman who blames the Japanese Mafia for Hurricane Katrina. To folks in Pocatello, he's the face of the weather at KPVI News Channel 6. Since Katrina, Stevens has been in newspapers across the country where he was quoted in an Associated Press story as saying the Yakuza Mafia used a Russian-made electromagnetic generator to cause Hurricane Katrina in a bid to avenge the atomic bomb attack on Hiroshima. He was a guest on Coast to Coast, a late night radio show that conducts call-in discussions on everything from bizarre weather patterns to alien abductions. On Wednesday, Stevens was interviewed by Fox News firebrand Bill O'Reilly. "The Soviets boasted of their geoengineering capabilities; these impressive accomplishments must be taken at face value simply because we are observing weather events that simply have never occurred before, never!" Stevens wrote on his Web site. "The evidence of these weapons at work found within the clouds overhead is simply unmistakable. These patterns and odd geometric shapes seen in our skies, each and every day, are clear and present evidence that our weather has been stolen from us, only to be used by those whose designs for humanity are rarely in alignment with that of the common man."

My guess is that their hidden base is on the Polish/Austrian border funded with conterfeit lyra.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Sonart What 20 ft hole before what collapse? Where do you get this nonsense?

This one shows it pretty good, (I have seen a better pic but cant find it right now):
Click to enlarge.

The following is one of the better visuals; Start at the top is best, but the main part I want you to see starts at the large pink lettering: DID A BOEING 757 HIT THE PENTAGON.

Watch this Flash Video

David Ray Griffin, "The New Pearl Harbor," Interlink Publishing Group (March 2004) [The physical evidence contradicts so violently the official account, that the Pentagon was hit by a Boeing 757 - Flight 77, that is. The physical evidence, photographs, and eyewitness testimony say that the Pentagon was hit by something that caused a hole no larger than 18 feet in diameter. The story the Pentagon put out, and was published by the Washington Post, was that the hole in the Pentagon was five stories high and 200 feet wide. If you look at the photographs taken by Tom Horan of the Associated Press - that's just not the size of the hole. But if the hole was only 18 feet wide, it had to have been created by something other than a Boeing. Whatever went into the Pentagon pierced six reinforced walls. This was the west wing, the part of the Pentagon being refurbished and reinforced. These walls were extra strong, and yet whatever it was went through six walls creating a hole about seven feet in diameter in the sixth wall. This had to have been something with a very powerful head on it. A Boeing 757 has a very fragile nose, and would not have pierced through all those walls; it would have been crushed by hitting the Pentagon. And given that it only penetrated these three rings, the rest of the aircraft would have been sitting outside on the yard. And yet the photographs taken just as the fire trucks got there - very shortly after the crash - show no plane whatsoever

http://independent.com/news/news906.htm And the other smoking guns? The second strongest piece of evidence I would say is the crash at the Pentagon. The physical evidence contradicts so violently the official account, that the Pentagon was hit by a Boeing 757 — Flight 77, that is. The physical evidence, photographs, and eyewitness testimony say that the Pentagon was hit by something that caused a hole no larger than 18 feet in diameter. The story the Pentagon put out, and was published by the Washington Post, was that the hole in the Pentagon was five stories high and 200 feet wide. If you look at the photographs taken by Tom Horan of the Associated Press — that’s just not the size of the hole. But if the hole was only 18 feet wide, it had to have been created by something other than a Boeing. Whatever went into the Pentagon pierced six reinforced walls. This was the west wing, the part of the Pentagon being refurbished and reinforced. These walls were extra strong, and yet whatever it was went through six walls creating a hole about seven feet in diameter in the sixth wall. This had to have been something with a very powerful head on it. A Boeing 757 has a very fragile nose, and would not have pierced through all those walls; it would have been crushed by hitting the Pentagon. And given that it only penetrated these three rings, the rest of the aircraft would have been sitting outside on the yard. And yet the photographs taken just as the fire trucks got there — very shortly after the crash — show no plane whatsoever.

Apparently without the least fear of laying itself open to ridicule, the Defense Department declared that the jet engines, made out of tempered steel, had disintegrated under the shock of the impact – without damaging the façade. The aluminum of the fuselage is claimed to have combusted at more than 2,500° Celsius within the building and to have been transformed into gas, but the bodies of the passengers which it contained were so little burned that they were later identified from their finger prints.

Some burning questions were put to the Washington Post: Did a Boeing crash into the Pentagon - An Open Letter to The Washington Post

This is stunning: From New 'Prime Suspect in the Mass Murders of 9/11'

1. I will name Vice President Richard Cheney as the prime suspect in the mass murders of 9/11 and will establish that, not only was he a planner in the attacks, but also that on the day of the attacks he was running a completely separate Command, Control and Communications system which was superceding any orders being issued by the FAA, the Pentagon, or the White House Situation Room; 2. I will establish conclusively that in May of 2001, by presidential order, Richard Cheney was put in direct command and control of all wargame and field exercise training and scheduling through several agencies, especially FEMA. This also extended to all of the conflicting and overlapping NORAD drills--some involving hijack simulations--taking place on that day; (Read all 5 points )

LINK So the aircraft that crashed into the Pentagon could not possibly have been flight 77. This is simply because, if it had flown from the Ohio border back to Washington DC it would have been visible to radar for the entire trip. And, we are told that it was not. So given this, why do most people believe that flight 77 hit the Pentagon? Because the media told them so (and this is the one and only reason that most believe flight 77 hit the Pentagon). But the evidence (without even examining the Pentagon scene itself) already says that this is impossible.

[Sonart]

And once again, how do you discount all the eyewitnesses? Answer the damn question. Planes don't come out of the sky and slam into large public buildings without hundreds of people seeing it, which hundreds of people did. Please explain how your conspiracy nonsense gets around that!

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[gr8fuldaniel]

NOTICE: Tom Flocco has made corrections to the story.

We have changed the location of this report to the Polish-German border to correct the original phoned-in intelligence report we received. When we went back and questioned this location, We were given the Polish-German border as the correct location. The spelling of Olson’s name was corrected within 60 minutes after the story was posted. TF

Quote by: Sonart And once again, how do you discount all the eyewitnesses?

Easy. If twenty people tell me they saw a square peg go through a round hole that was smaller than the peg, I could discount that with great ease. But you have the right to believe them. You have the right to be wrong.

The vast majority of those witnesses did not give any detailed description of the aircraft that struck the Pentagon. The majority of those that did only named it an American Airways plane. Paint can give that impression.
How do you know the "eyewitnesses" were not relaying in the next days what they had heard on the news about it being a 757? One of the witnesses (on your link) called it a 737

Marine Corps officer Mike Dobbs was standing on one of the upper levels of the outer ring of the Pentagon looking out the window when he saw an American Airlines 737 twin-engine airliner strike the building. "It seemed to be almost coming in slow motion," he said later Tuesday. "I didn't actually feel it hit, but I saw it and then we all started running. They evacuated everybody around us." http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/news..._dcscene.shtml

According to David Ray Griffin the "Official Identification" by the US military at the Pentagon, was dubious (on condition of anonymity):

The first move toward the identification was made by a statement on the website of the Pentagon announcingthat it had been hit by a "commercial airliner, possibly hijacked".(17) Then that afternoon the story that this airliner was Flight 77 spread quickly through the media. The source of this story, The Los Angeles Times reported, was some military officials speaking on condition of anonymity. (18)The media also started reporting that Flight 77, just before it disappeared from view, had made a U-turn and headed back toward washington(19)But, argues Meyssan, since the civilian air controllers were, according to the official account, no longer recieving information from either radar or the transponder, this "information" must also have come from military sources. (20)

I typed this quote from the book, "The New Pearl Harbor" page 27. If you insist, I will type uot the references cited {17, 18, 19, 20}.