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SoccerfreakAB2 · Aug 28, 2005, 09:47 pm

As you all know, the Middle East is swarming with people who hate the United States government. They were either educated to hate us or don't like us because we're always over there. The real problem is that nearly every terrorist act that roots back to that region is claimed to be for Islam and in the name of Allah.

I know many Muslims who are great people and despise the acts of these governments and their henchmen; specifically Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan. But my question is should the war on terrorism remain on that of the enemy troops and leaders alone? Or is it time to be proactive and attack the religion itself? Maybe a mix of the two?

Mia · Aug 28, 2005, 10:17 pm

OMG, not this crap again. Eradicate Christians while you're at it - our 'kill count' still remains the highest!

SoccerfreakAB2 · Aug 28, 2005, 10:24 pm

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OMG, not this crap again. Eradicate Christians while you're at it - our 'kill count' still remains the highest!

By attack the religion, I don't mean its followers, but only the education it preaches against the US.

Mia · Aug 28, 2005, 10:28 pm

That's not how you stated it, and you assummed the whole religion does, which is not true. It's the extremist clerics, scholars, etc, and no we can't go around the world doing anything about that.

What we can do is leave them the hell alone, and then they won't have a reason to preach against us!

Prometheus · Aug 28, 2005, 10:32 pm

Islam is definitely a threat. What are they hiding in those turbins anyway... Lets just nuke thier asses and have it over with. Down with the towel wrappers!

AmericanMuslim · Aug 28, 2005, 11:08 pm

"By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."

I resent your comments, find them ignorant as well as hateful and insulting. I personally do not wear a turban on top of my Tommy Hilfiger, Gap, and other designer clothes. So I advise you to be educated, so as not to sound like an idiot--the majority of Muslims do not dress this way. And surely they do not think this way.

You obviously have not read the rules--and to me it seems like you are doing the very thing you accuse Muslims of doing--being hateful and violent.

Get to know a Muslim before you judge them.

Mia · Aug 29, 2005, 12:01 am

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"By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."

I resent your comments, find them ignorant as well as hateful and insulting. I personally do not wear a turban on top of my Tommy Hilfiger, Gap, and other designer clothes. So I advise you to be educated, so as not to sound like an idiot--the majority of Muslims do not dress this way. And surely they do not think this way.

You obviously have not read the rules--and to me it seems like you are doing the very thing you accuse Muslims of doing--being hateful and violent.

Get to know a Muslim before you judge them.

Prometheous is not serious - he's making fun of the thread starter.

I think it needs to go to misc. This is prejudiced junk.

ihaQ · Aug 29, 2005, 10:32 pm

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This is prejudiced junk.

I don't think it's prejudiced at all. The topic starter sounds very enlightened about the differentiation in Islamic radicalism and the problem mainstream Islam presents to western and secular society. I am all for the eradication of religion, but realistically, the backlash of attempting any kind of re-education (forget genocide!) would ultimately destroy any hope of forced secularization.

Prometheus · Aug 29, 2005, 10:37 pm

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"By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."

I resent your comments, find them ignorant as well as hateful and insulting. I personally do not wear a turban on top of my Tommy Hilfiger, Gap, and other designer clothes. So I advise you to be educated, so as not to sound like an idiot--the majority of Muslims do not dress this way. And surely they do not think this way.

You obviously have not read the rules--and to me it seems like you are doing the very thing you accuse Muslims of doing--being hateful and violent.

Get to know a Muslim before you judge them.

Tool.

ihaQ · Aug 29, 2005, 10:38 pm

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I personally do not wear a turban on top of my Tommy Hilfiger, Gap, and other designer clothes.

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Tool.

For serious.

SoccerfreakAB2 · Aug 29, 2005, 10:44 pm

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Prometheous is not serious - he's making fun of the thread starter.

I think it needs to go to misc. This is prejudiced junk.

I'm sorry. I meant to find a crowd better suited with events happening around the world and maybe even find someone with the slightest information about what is happening and why. How am I prejudice? I'm don't want to hurt anyone who is innocent, I only want to better the relations with the world, and the only way to do so is to separate religion from the power of government. These tools should not be mixed.

There needs to be a solution to this problem or else the mullahs in the Middle East will always be in control of the governments, not listening to their fellow human beings, but only to what the rest of the world thinks is not there, Allah. I'm not bashing Islam in any way, but clearly, religion and government power make a deadly weapon. A promised great afterlife is all it takes to send a young kid with a bomb into a bus. Or the deadly intentions of one man with so much power and influence as a cleric, he can do anything he wants with the word of a God.

I think we have a great separation of church and state in the United States. We debate and find solutions to our problems. Over there, if you do not conform, you are killed. Conformity is only wrapped around the majority religion, and it will continue to do that until action is taken.

Mia, apparently you know nothing about prejudice. I am throwing out an idea for discussion and like a little nine year old girl, you refuse to even take a glimpse at a debate for it.

SoccerfreakAB2 · Aug 29, 2005, 10:47 pm

Prometheus, I will say that what you said was unnecessary and uncalled for. However, AmericanMuslim, Christians and Catholics have been ripped apart far worse and far longer in the threads of Volconvo. They fight back with their words and objections and how the other side is wrong with provided reasons. Just a suggestion.

Mia · Aug 30, 2005, 12:22 am

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As you all know, the Middle East is swarming with people who hate the United States government.

So is Europe - do we bomb them too? Lots of people hate us after starting an unprovoked, illegal war, among other things.

tinybear · Aug 30, 2005, 12:51 am

Muhammad preached and practised terrorism. Jesus did not. Enough said, don't you think?

Mia · Aug 30, 2005, 04:27 am

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Muhammad preached and practised terrorism. Jesus did not. Enough said, don't you think?

No he did not, and I'm tired of you saying that when you've been proven wrong.

Mia · Aug 30, 2005, 04:30 am

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Mia, apparently you know nothing about prejudice. I am throwing out an idea for discussion and like a little nine year old girl, you refuse to even take a glimpse at a debate for it.

Excuse me? your words were: attack the religion. That is making a sweeping generalization, that is prejudiced. Where do you get your 9 year old girl comment from?

It is not childish to observe prejudice when one sees it - perhaps it is your brain that is too immature to separate extremists from the vast majority of Muslims who have nothing and want nothing to do with terrorism.

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Mia · Aug 30, 2005, 04:34 am

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Tool.

You were serious about what you wrote? I had your views all mixed up.

tinybear · Aug 30, 2005, 04:34 am

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No he did not, and I'm tired of you saying that when you've been proven wrong.

Really?

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Silas/terrorism.htm

Mia · Aug 30, 2005, 04:37 am

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Really?

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Silas/terrorism.htm

I'm putting you on ignore - you drive me crazy. A web page can be found saying anything you want! It doesn't make it so, and I know I know a hell of a lot more about Islam than you do.

tinybear · Aug 30, 2005, 04:46 am

I agree with what the author said: 'The Islamic community has to confront the terrorists in their midst in word and deed, by bringing them to justice and by opposing their interpretation of Islam, if they believe it is not the true interpretation. We call for all Muslims to unmistakenly distance themselves from terrorist acts AND by giving the real meaning of these passages and precedents presented below, to confront and excommunicate those who hold this violent Islam to be the only true Islam. As long as the Muslim community does NOT confront and stop them, they cannot complain that "the non-Muslims are misrepresenting Islam" and are biased and islamophobic.'

Confront and stop them, Mia, not ignore and pretend that they are an insignificant, harmless minority.

Aug 28, 2005, 09:47 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
SoccerfreakAB2 ???? Location: Novi. Michigan Posts: 2,163	Threat of Islam? As you all know, the Middle East is swarming with people who hate the United States government. They were either educated to hate us or don't like us because we're always over there. The real problem is that nearly every terrorist act that roots back to that region is claimed to be for Islam and in the name of Allah. I know many Muslims who are great people and despise the acts of these governments and their henchmen; specifically Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan. But my question is should the war on terrorism remain on that of the enemy troops and leaders alone? Or is it time to be proactive and attack the religion itself? Maybe a mix of the two?

Aug 28, 2005, 10:17 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	OMG, not this crap again. Eradicate Christians while you're at it - our 'kill count' still remains the highest! "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Aug 28, 2005, 10:28 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	That's not how you stated it, and you assummed the whole religion does, which is not true. It's the extremist clerics, scholars, etc, and no we can't go around the world doing anything about that. What we can do is leave them the hell alone, and then they won't have a reason to preach against us! "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Aug 28, 2005, 10:32 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Prometheus Glad to be back! Location: Vernal, UT Posts: 1,725	Islam is definitely a threat. What are they hiding in those turbins anyway... Lets just nuke thier asses and have it over with. Down with the towel wrappers! Fixed ideas are like a cramp in the foot - the best remedy against it is to tread on it. -Søren Kierkegaard

Aug 28, 2005, 11:08 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
AmericanMuslim Sedimentary Rock Posts: 1	"By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws." I resent your comments, find them ignorant as well as hateful and insulting. I personally do not wear a turban on top of my Tommy Hilfiger, Gap, and other designer clothes. So I advise you to be educated, so as not to sound like an idiot--the majority of Muslims do not dress this way. And surely they do not think this way. You obviously have not read the rules--and to me it seems like you are doing the very thing you accuse Muslims of doing--being hateful and violent. Get to know a Muslim before you judge them.

Aug 29, 2005, 10:47 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
SoccerfreakAB2 ???? Location: Novi. Michigan Posts: 2,163	Prometheus, I will say that what you said was unnecessary and uncalled for. However, AmericanMuslim, Christians and Catholics have been ripped apart far worse and far longer in the threads of Volconvo. They fight back with their words and objections and how the other side is wrong with provided reasons. Just a suggestion.

Aug 30, 2005, 12:51 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,008	Muhammad preached and practised terrorism. Jesus did not. Enough said, don't you think?

Aug 30, 2005, 04:46 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,008	I agree with what the author said: 'The Islamic community has to confront the terrorists in their midst in word and deed, by bringing them to justice and by opposing their interpretation of Islam, if they believe it is not the true interpretation. We call for all Muslims to unmistakenly distance themselves from terrorist acts AND by giving the real meaning of these passages and precedents presented below, to confront and excommunicate those who hold this violent Islam to be the only true Islam. As long as the Muslim community does NOT confront and stop them, they cannot complain that "the non-Muslims are misrepresenting Islam" and are biased and islamophobic.' Confront and stop them, Mia, not ignore and pretend that they are an insignificant, harmless minority.