9/11

[Son of Belial]

One reason the poll is flawed is that "Shadow Government," "CIA," and "Illuminati" are all one and the same.

[PatrickHenry]

And aliens is thrown in to give the official story a big haha at the tinfoil hats.

Sheep. And still Bin Laden is ahead by only 19 to 17.

[Son of Belial]

Since it was posted as a joke, I don't have confidence that too many voted seriously anyway.

I'm tempted to make my own funny poll, but if I did it would undoubtedly get deleted and I'd get yet ANOTHER warning.

[Sean]

Yes Pat, sheep :rolleyes: Since this is misc I guess I can respond. I do find it funny how you find your theory more reasonable than the reported and displayed scenario given the history, the various claims of responsibility for the act by the terrorist groups, etc. You never did answer my challenge to you about Al Jazeera; are they also controlled by this shadow government you obsess about? They seem to report the same stuff the Western press does regarding 9/11 and the terrorists.

[PatrickHenry]

You want an Oracle, Sean? I don't claim to know everything, in contrast to some folks around here. But a lot of shit smeared around the media doesn't make sense; more and more people worldwide are smelling something fecal...

[Sean]

Quote by: PatrickHenry You want an Oracle, Sean? I don't claim to know everything, in contrast to some folks around here

Well I assumed you did with your tone. You called us all sheep, despite the revelation now that you do not know everything :)

Quote by: PatrickHenry more and more people worldwide are smelling something fecal...

Ah, so that makes those particular non-sheep...enlightened..I see. What about the majority of people who do not? Sheep or rational? How are you so sure?

How is your explanation, which is not supported by any report (even our enemy states), more credible than what we saw take place, what the historical record shows, and what even non-western media sources have reported?

[RickSp]

This gets funny.

Anyone who doesn't buy into the conspiracy theories is a "fucking sheep".

So the sheep think that two hijacked planes were piloted into the World Trade Towers causing a wide spread fire that ultimately caused structural failure that led to their collapse.

The non-sheep however know the truth! A shadowy group of commandoes managed to sneek into two occupied office towers, cut through the necessary walls and joiner work to plant explosives on the core structure and outer bearing walls. For reasons unknown they planted the explosives in the middle of the buildings rather than the bases, where the stresses are much larger. They apparently planted explosives someplace between the 93rd and 99th floor on the North Tower and the 78th and 84th floor on the South Tower.

On the morning of 9/11 the same or another shadowy group manages to take over two airplanes departing from Boston, kill or disable the passengers and crew and fly the planes by remote control into precisely the floors where the commando teams have planted the explosives. (They also managed to fake cell phone calls from the hijacked planes describing how they were being taken over by Al Qaeda. A nice touch.)

Then an hour after the planes crashed, giving most people not directly in the impact area or trapped above, time to escape, the buildings were brought down by detonating the previously planted explosives.

Now this all sounds nuts to me, but what the hell, I'm just a "fucking sheep."

[Clarence]

What about Bin Laden, who works for the CIA, did it despite attempts to stop it by other members of the CIA. Then the White House ignored the warnings by legitmate CIA and facilitated the attack by not taking any sort of preventive measures.

I would pick answer Z. A group of criminals including members from the highest echelons of our gov't and some powerful people from the middle east. along with the people of the United States for not questioning the faulty investigation of the crime.

[Clarence]

Quote by: Sean You never did answer my challenge to you about Al Jazeera; are they also controlled by this shadow government you obsess about? They seem to report the same stuff the Western press does regarding 9/11 and the terrorists.

This could be your answer
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177307,00.html
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/...ion=cnn_latest

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The U.S. military offered a mixed message Wednesday about whether it embraced one of its own programs that reportedly paid a consulting firm and Iraqi newspapers to plant favorable stories about the war and the rebuilding effort.

I know this is Iraq but...

Is it crazy to think that evil men will conspire to try and take over the world or as much as they can grab? Looking at history, is it a crazy idea? Just not in America, right?

[Sean]

Quote by: Clarence s it crazy to think that evil men will conspire to try and take over the world or as much as they can grab? Looking at history, is it a crazy idea? Just not in America, right?

Al Jazeera is a little different than an Iraqi newspaper. I highly doubt the same paper that publishes terrorist threats against the US would accept money to cover up some evil shadow government hitting the wtc at the expense of Islam.

[Clarence]

Al-Jazeera has it's opinions. They are a news agency. On the anniversary of 9/11, when Bin Laden had the tapes aired, what else was there to cover. I can't tell if Al-Jazeera really has a defined stance.http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...9941F9408D.htm

The New York fire department's Muslim chaplain has abruptly resigned after saying in a published interview that a conspiracy, not 19 al-Qaida hijackers, may have been responsible for the 11 September attacks.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...E53230790D.htm

Senior Republicans in Congress have joined Democrats in asking CIA director Porter Goss to declassify and release an agency report criticising the previous director and others for lapses on terrorism ahead of the 11 September 2001 attacks. Citing members of Congress and their aides, The New York Times reported on Saturday that the requests were sent last week by House of Representatives and Senate Intelligence Committee members. Goss has resisted publicising the report, in part because it could have a negative effect on agency morale, The Times reported.

I don't know! neither do you. Does that bother anybody?

[Chris]

Who are Illuminati ?

[Son of Belial]

The overall name given to the various secret societies and so forth. There may be a secret society called "Illuminati." We know that one did exist because they were documented in Germany, their leader was killed, and George Washington wrote in a letter that the Illuminati had attempted to take over/destroy the newly formed USA. The public Illuminati was destroyed, so many say they no longer exist. The secret society called Illuminati may not, but typically the various factions such as Skull and Bones, Bohemian Club, Freemasons, Bible Students Group, CFR, Bilderberg Group, so on and so forth are collectively referred to as Illuminati.

http://www.geocities.com/newstatesas...roduction.html

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Sean You called us all sheep

Yeah?

Quote by: Sean What about the majority of people who do not? Sheep or rational?

Sheep.

Quote by: Sean what we saw take place

On TV. Or a relative handful of eyewitnesses. But no one knows how the conspiracy was concocted. You DO believe that there was a conspiracy, right? We just differ on the agents of the attack?

Quote by: Sean what the historical record shows

The historical record is subject to manipulation at the time and revision when more facts become available. Physics is NOT subject to manipulation. So Muslim Physics on 9/11 needs to be the same as everyday physics. Or do you believe in miracles? WTC7 is the smoking gun...

Quote by: Sean what even non-western media sources have reported?

I have no knowledge of how stories get published, but the military has resently been reported to be planting stories in the Iraqi media. Are you an expert on how editors choose stories? Didn't think so...

Quote by: RickSp I'm just a "fucking sheep."

Most definitely!

[Sean]

I love the condescending Pat. I hate to burst your bubble but the amount of information supporting the known argument far outweighs the conspiracy theory you cling to. Which story, if presented both arguments (including the historical hatred for the US the Middle East has due to Israel), would most educated folks tend to believe? I mean hell you were bragging that a few doctors supported your theory. Is it not a bad sign if you are so low on accredited folks supporting you view that you have to celebrate when one does?

I also love how you see a report about the US military paying Iraqi media off and then assume that the US is powerful enough to pay off every media outlet in the world that reports daily terrorist attacks and claims of responsibility for previous acts. They must have paid off every European, Asian, South American, African media agency :rolleyes: Sounds to me like you can take any isolated incident and stretch it out to make it work just enough for you.

Seriously, you provide little surprises here. You cling to a story that fits with your paranoia and fear of big government, and condescend to those who do not.

This is why most successful forums do not permit conspiracy topics. Anytime someone presents the record to you, or asks you a question like "what about all of the thousands of media outlets that claim it was Bin Ladin" you simply can cling to "well how do we KNOW they are not lying for the shadow government :rolleyes: You can look at a blue sky and tell me it’s red. How can I argue?

[Nono]

Quote by: SOB There may be a secret society called "Illuminati."

Though the fact that Dan Brown bases a whole novel on it certainly suggests that there isn't. :)

[Son of Belial]

A lot of people use the Illuminati in their fiction. It doesn't mean they don't exist.

Hey I read this comic book with the UN, I guess the UN is a myth too.

Is it not a bad sign if you are so low on accredited folks supporting you view that you have to celebrate when one does?

Hey I remember this one time, it was funny, see Blacks were all inferior and stupid and stuff, and a couple people here and there said they were equal. But that's so silly, I mean when I heard that I was like, lol, isn't it a bad sign if you're so low on accredited folks supporting your view that it's a big deal when someone says monkeys are our equal? ROFL!!!!!!!1

[RickSp]

I like the Wikipedia commentary on the Illuminati :

The Illuminati is the name of many groups, modern and historical, real and fictitious, verified and alleged. Most commonly, however, The Illuminati refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati, the least secret of all secret societies in the world, described below. Most use refers to an alleged shadowy conspiratorial organization which controls world affairs behind the scenes, usually a modern incarnation or continuation of the Bavarian Illuminati. Illuminati is sometimes used synonymously with New World Order.

The Illuminati are the conspiratist's dream. Anything can be blamed on them. Everything is connected through them. To paraphrase Voltaire: If the Illuminati never existed, the conspiracy buffs would have had to create them.

The Illuminati are also featured in several popular video games.

There is probably a great future in conspiracy video gaming.

[Son of Belial]

As I said, I don't know if there is a quote unquote "illuminati," but it's a term I use to refer to all the organizations that are working together.

I honestly hate using that word because people immediately draw conclusions like that. I don't like to say New World Order either, though, because I see that more as the goal as opposed to the actual organization's name.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Son of Belial the various factions such as Skull and Bones, Bohemian Club, Freemasons, Bible Students Group, CFR, Bilderberg Group, so on and so forth are collectively referred to as Illuminati.

NO. The Illuminati are real and specific.

Quote by: Sean I hate to burst your bubble

Nice try, Sean. My "bubble" is solider than the ground beneath your feet.

Quote by: Sean the amount of information supporting the known argument far outweighs

Here's a question for ya. How much is the "black budget" and how is it spent? Prove to me it isn't utilized to bring about an anti-democratic agenda.

Here's a clue: current reports have it at about $40 billion per year. Where does it go? Even the top officials may not know. A little room there for secrets, huh? This is from ten YEARS ago: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/3.11/patton_pr.html
Try google "black budget."

Sheep who think they know it all... I admit I don't have every fact at MY disposal. You folks are so arrogant that you think you know all, but it's obvious you don't. And when I call attention to the unexplained I get hit with labels and insults. Any wonder I insult back?

Quote by: Sean You can look at a blue sky and tell me it’s red.

Funny, that's what I think about you!

Anyhow I never said every outlet is paid off. But when international media write stories that don't make it into US sources, do you EVER ask yourself why? Didn't think so.

Like this one from an Indian news source: http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/01oct18/news.htm#7
Why was $100,000 sent to the "lead hijacker," Mohammad Atta, from a man who had a breakfast meeting on 9/11/2001 with The Senate and House intelligence honchos?
http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex...ikhMahmood.htm
Gee, must be a coincidence... Lotta those regarding 9/11... :eek: