What hit the Pentagon? 9/11

[ruksak]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Ruksak, I think Rainbow was trying to say that IF the government had done this by remote as postulated by the CT crowd, then the Terrorist/Anti-US Forces would love to get their hands on the info to discredit the country.

You're right. As I read it again I see I read it all wrong. Thanks Vicchio. You seemed to assemble the words in a more comprehensible way. Yes, of course Al Qeada or any other America hating faction would love to get some proof of a 9/11 cover-up.

I apologize to Rainbow. Please direct my rant elsewhere.

[Scott]

Look at the picture in the first post on this page.

Loose Change Forum -> A 757 Does Not Fit

There's no sign of the wings of a 757 having hit the wall.

[Mr.Vicchio]

That's cause they didn't hit the wall Scott, they sheared by the force of impact and were being crumpled into the fusalge at the point of impact.

Physics is a hard subject, I know.

[ruksak]

Quote by: Scott Look at the picture in the first post on this page. Loose Change Forum -> A 757 Does Not Fit There's no sign of the wings of a 757 having hit the wall.

You and Ariel are doing the same thing. Ignoring the eyewitness testimony that the wings endured serious damge before the impact even occurred. The left wing dug into the ground and what happened next is anyones guess, as the whole plane was engulfed in flames and smoke.
On top of all this you're dodging the question I posed earlier. How do you account for the photos of dozens of easily recognizable aircraft parts on the front lawn???? How did they get there? Go ahead? I'm waiting. Step up to the plate.

Quote by: Mr V That's cause they didn't hit the wall Scott, they sheared by the force of impact and were being crumpled into the fusalge at the point of impact. Physics is a hard subject, I know

Exactly. Most likely the left wing tore off backward, and the right wing was subjected to extraordinary forward momentum. You're making the same mistake I sighted earlier. Picturing in your mind, the wings staying fixed for the full 25 meters it took for them to impact the wall. Your mind is putting them there. Physics puts them elsewhere.

[ZNFYRH]

ruksak

Two problems:

1. The photos show plane parts on a lawn. There is no contextual frame of reference that shows that they are on the Pentagon lawn. The ones I have seen are just pictures of parts.

2. Many simulations, i.e. Purdue, show the wings being a part of what took down steel support columns inside the Pentagon. If those wings were gone, how can those videos be considered accurate?

[Mr.Vicchio]

ZNFYRH, have you read the popular mechanics 911 myth article?

You should give it a whirl.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio ZNFYRH, have you read the popular mechanics 911 myth article? You should give it a whirl.

It's been debunked.
Popular Mechanics' Assault on 9/11 Truth
Reply to Popular Mechanics re 9/11
Popular Mechanics Does 9/11
The Popular Mechanics article was a strawman attack. Only a limited intelligence would find it worthy of note.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Debunked by people that have a tenuous grasp on reality at best.

[PatrickHenry]

While Hearst-owned PM has a few elitist links, to say the least...

[Mr.Vicchio]

PH... a 757 hit the Pentagon...

Have you seen the History channels special on 911? I was watching it tonight..

[PatrickHenry]

I don't watch historical disinformation...

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: PatrickHenry I don't watch historical disinformation...

The sits you post and agree with say otherwise PH.

Look, you firmly believe 911 was to make Iraq possible to steal the oil, and the WMD were the cover story right?


How come these ultra sneaky, ultra smart, ultra secret folks cannot plant WMD in Iraq?

[PatrickHenry]

I actually thought that it would happen when Uncle Sam siezed Iraq, Vicchio. I figured that we would have a WMD "find" along about April of 2003...

When it didn't happen, I was kinda puzzled, I must admit.

But WMD research and development leave traces, see. If the weapons are found, but the development is absent, the whole thing is too damn suspicious.

And I suspect that there were men of uncompromisable integrity in the midst of the search. Men who were so honorable that they couldn't be bought or threatened. Maybe they were too honest to even be approachable with the plan...

[Mr.Vicchio]

Patrick.. they "flew" a missile through a heavily military populated area in broad daylight, after the first WTC hits... and you don't find it odd that so many hundreds saw a 757?

[ZNFYRH]

So many hundreds saw a 757, yet there is not a single piece of sequential video footage of a 757 hitting a closely watched government building?

If there were footage of a 757 that was confiscated, don't you think the government would release it just to finally suppress all the conspiracy talk?

I know I would.

I'm also rather enjoying that no one has yet to contest my mathematical analysis of how lightweight aluminum pierces through four three-foot thick reinforced concrete walls.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: ZNFYRH So many hundreds saw a 757, yet there is not a single piece of sequential video footage of a 757 hitting a closely watched government building? If there were footage of a 757 that was confiscated, don't you think the government would release it just to finally suppress all the conspiracy talk? I know I would. I'm also rather enjoying that no one has yet to contest my mathematical analysis of how lightweight aluminum pierces through four three-foot thick reinforced concrete walls.

Hundreds of people saw the 747... that no video was taken says to you hundreds of people all lied?

[Gods_Mercenary]

Quote by: PatrickHenry I actually thought that it would happen when Uncle Sam siezed Iraq, Vicchio. I figured that we would have a WMD "find" along about April of 2003... When it didn't happen, I was kinda puzzled, I must admit. But WMD research and development leave traces, see. If the weapons are found, but the development is absent, the whole thing is too damn suspicious. And I suspect that there were men of uncompromisable integrity in the midst of the search. Men who were so honorable that they couldn't be bought or threatened. Maybe they were too honest to even be approachable with the plan...

So they are smart enough to realize that they can't fake a wmd, but not smart enough to realize that their flightplan for their 757 is supposedly impossible? They can pull off what has to be the greatest ruse in history, and they can't fake a wmd facility? Don't you think they would've faked a video or chosen a flightpath that made sure there was proof? If they are capable of killing thousands of their countrymen, don't you think a few men of integrity would be easy to write off in car accidents or something? Don't you think a few people who found out about their plot would be dead?

[ZNFYRH]

Quote by: Vic Hundreds of people saw the 747... that no video was taken says to you hundreds of people all lied?

In the middle of New York City there were multiple video angles of the first plane hitting the WTC.

In the middle of Washington DC, there isn't a single piece of video?

Video is not an eyewitness account; it can't be argued with, refuted, or otherwise over-analyzed. It is what it is.

Yet the one thing that would suppress every single alternative theory about the Pentagon isn't available?

[Chaossaber314]

Video is not an eyewitness account; it can't be argued with, refuted, or otherwise over-analyzed. It is what it is.

Which is somewhat ironic in that it is exactly what we see on a daily basis from the 9/11 Truth crowd concerning the towers.

[Mr.Vicchio]

ZNFYRH this was done in the middle of a clear day... if any one, with any brains wanted to fake this, they would do i at night, preferably on a cloudy, overcast new moon night.

The RISK of someone taking clear video of a cruise missile hitting the pentagon and getting it out would be far too great a risk.

Only a fool would try a stunt like you are proposing in the middle of the morning, on so clear a morning.