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PatrickHenry · Jul 9, 2005, 11:49 pm

I didn't say it! He did!

Why are churches targeting same-sex marriage?

I wonder if Jeff Gannon was conflicted about the morality of it, being "conservative" and all...

**Jack** · Jul 9, 2005, 11:54 pm

In his defense, I believe he was speaking theoretically.

I think he was.

He may have been.

You know, I'm not so sure...

RickSp · Jul 10, 2005, 12:03 am

I almost thought I agreed with Mr.V. A most disturbing prospect to be sure.

He said that anal sex was pleasurable but wrong. So he is half right anyway.

Mr.Vicchio · Jul 10, 2005, 12:07 am

I said it was morally wrong according to the Bible, and as a Christian I believe this....

PH I am a MARRIED man. To a WOMAN.

This is my second marriage. I have TWO children.

I am quite stright TYVM.

.....

I cannot believe you are suggesting otherwise. My knowledge of Anal Sex... ::rollseyes::

Why are you so interested?

RickSp · Jul 10, 2005, 12:19 am

Quote:

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio

I am a MARRIED man. To a WOMAN.

This is my second marriage. I have TWO children.

I am quite stright TYVM.

As a married man with two kids I still don't understand what that has to do with whether or not anal sex is pleasurable.

Don't some Christians even claim that oral sex is also evil? And Clinton claimed it isn't even sex. Talk about a clash of cultures.

Mr.Vicchio · Jul 10, 2005, 12:27 am

I made a comment that anal sex is pleasurable and it is, and PH went nutz over it evidently.

He seems to be implying I lead a secret gay life or something. I can most emphatically say this is not the case. Sorry to dissappoint ya PH.

**Jack** · Jul 10, 2005, 12:35 am

We never established anal sex as a purely homosexual act. Boys have bottoms, girls have devices, or fingers...are you with me so far? :)

Mr.Vicchio · Jul 10, 2005, 12:42 am

My wife does not, nor did my ex use devices toys or fingers....

I am still curious as to why PH finds my comment so interesting.

**Jack** · Jul 10, 2005, 12:46 am

Me thinks we're pulling your leg. Which is far less painful and more socially acceptable than putting things up your bottom, at least in a public forum.
(My question for PH: who the hell is Jeff Gannon?)

Mr.Vicchio · Jul 10, 2005, 12:54 am

Gannon was a "COP" so called news reporter that happened to be hiding a secret... aside being a reporter for a propoganda news site "talon news" he was also a big time gay web site runner.

I.E. PH made the back handed attempt to tie me to Mr.Gannon's dubiousness. Which was funny but...

Thus my laying out my straight credentials lol. I am not Gay sorry PH, and hiding behind a web of Cosnervative posts while secretly hitting the gay bars at night.

**Jack** · Jul 10, 2005, 12:59 am

Oh, that guy. Yeah, for a while there he was hated by the straights for being gay, and hated by the gays for being a conservative (or so it seemed). Pretty good, when you can piss off everyone on both sides. And he's not even that good looking. :)

Mr.Vicchio · Jul 10, 2005, 01:02 am

If you say so, I don't really find myself judgeing men that way, but on this, I think I iwll take your word on it.

**Jack** · Jul 10, 2005, 01:07 am

Oh, come on. Don't you think he looks like someone who tripped and fell into a vat of Nair?

Mr.Vicchio · Jul 10, 2005, 01:09 am

Hehe, I suppose if you look at it that way lol.

Of course, on another forum I was attacked for being 100% behind TG rights, but this thread... has me rather amused.

**Jack** · Jul 10, 2005, 01:25 am

To divert PH's thread (I guess he can say if he objects) just a little, and since you brought it up; there are very few subjects that I am so passionate about that I can get truely angry discussing, and being gay isn't one of them. Sure, I'll vigorously defend my position, but I can't get the same venom in my attitude that some I've seen here have. I just don't care that much, because I'm a realist. This is just a forum, none of us can change federal or even state policy by ourselves, none of you really know me (though at least one lives somewhat close), and I don't expect the world to be a more understanding and tolerant place tomorrow if I win an argument tonight. I'm too mellow to get worked up over a disagreement. I know what I believe; that's enough for me.
But because I do tend to get too serious about the issue, I'll generally avoid topics about racism, spousal/child abuse and cruelty toward animals.
Hope I'm not boring you, but since you seemed surprised at the different reactions in this thread, I thought maybe knowing my attitude might explain at least why I might come across differnetly. I know when to debate and when to kid around.

PatrickHenry · Jul 10, 2005, 01:28 am

I just thought of Vicchio in a different way, what can I say? Vicchio, you're more "sensitive" than I thought... it just tickled my funny bone.

Quote:

Quote by: Isherwood

he's not even that good looking

I guess HE thinks he's pretty studdly:

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005...lled-jeff.html

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So in the end, why does this matter? Why does it matter that Jeff Gannon may have been a gay hooker named James Guckert with a $20,000 defaulted court judgment against him? So he somehow got a job lobbing softball questions to the White House. Big deal. If he was already a prostitute, why not be one in the White House briefing room as well?

This is the Conservative Republican Bush White House we're talking about. It's looking increasingly like they made a decision to allow a hooker to ask the President of the United States questions. They made a decision to give a man with an alias and no journalistic experience access to the West Wing of the White House on a "daily basis." They reportedly made a decision to give him - one of only six - access to documents, or information in those documents, that exposed a clandestine CIA operative. Say what you will about Monika Lewinsky - a tasteless episode, "inappropriate," whatever. Monika wasn't a gay prostitute running around the West Wing. What kind of leadership would let prostitutes roam the halls of the West Wing? What kind of war-time leadership can't find the same information that took bloggers only days to find?

None of this is by accident.

Someone had to make a decision to let all this happen. Who? Someone committed a crime in exposing Valerie Plame and now it appears a gay hooker may be right in the middle of all of it? Who?

Ultimately, it is the hypocrisy that is such a challenge to grasp in this story. This is the same White House that ran for office on a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. While they are surrounded by gay hookers? While they use a gay hooker to write articles for their gay hating political base? While they use a gay hooker to destroy a political enemy? Not to mention the hypocrisy of a "reporter" who chooses to publish article after article defending the ant-gay religious-right point of view on gay civil rights issue.

Who in the White House is at the center of all of this? Who allowed this to go on in the People's House? Who committed the crime of exposing Valerie Plame? Jeff Gannon has the answers to these questions, and boy we know he loves to talk.

Apparently ol' Jeff is still holding forth with his studdly homo conservative viewpoints. No shame here. His own website...
http://www.jeffgannon.com/

**Jack** · Jul 10, 2005, 01:32 am

PH, you keep posting his ugly mug and I may switch sides...I always did have a crush on Valerie Bertinelli...

(and why does he have a square, gray dick?)

Mr.Vicchio · Jul 10, 2005, 01:32 am

I'm just surprised he took that comment and ran with it. I get jumped from time to time and sometimes people have fun with things I say, but this one caught me off guard lol.

I support TG persons 100% and for that some of my conservative friends hold me low reguard... that was a fun 10 page debate on a now dead forum.. sigh.

Racsims pretty simple for me: "Judge a man by the merits of his character not the color of his skin"

Don't beat your spouse. Hurt a child burn in hell, and Animals should be treated with respect. But I am a hunter which irks some people lol.

You don't bore me, aside PH finding my comment to be "woah" the rest are all for fun I suppose.

But...

**Jack** · Jul 10, 2005, 01:34 am

Quote:

But...

There you go again, though you misspelled it.

Mr.Vicchio · Jul 10, 2005, 01:35 am

Didn't miss spell it lol.

Jul 9, 2005, 11:49 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,464	Vicchio Terms Anal Sex "Pleasurable" I didn't say it! He did! Why are churches targeting same-sex marriage? I wonder if Jeff Gannon was conflicted about the morality of it, being "conservative" and all... "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Jul 9, 2005, 11:54 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,225	In his defense, I believe he was speaking theoretically. I think he was. He may have been. You know, I'm not so sure... The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Jul 10, 2005, 12:03 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
RickSp Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,589	I almost thought I agreed with Mr.V. A most disturbing prospect to be sure. He said that anal sex was pleasurable but wrong. So he is half right anyway. Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

Jul 10, 2005, 12:07 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	I said it was morally wrong according to the Bible, and as a Christian I believe this.... PH I am a *MARRIED* man. To a WOMAN. This is my second marriage. I have TWO children. I am quite stright TYVM. ..... I cannot believe you are suggesting otherwise. My knowledge of Anal Sex... ::rollseyes:: Why are you so interested? Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route? Last edited by Mr.Vicchio; Jul 10, 2005 at 12:10 am.

Jul 10, 2005, 12:27 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	I made a comment that anal sex is pleasurable and it is, and PH went nutz over it evidently. He seems to be implying I lead a secret gay life or something. I can most emphatically say this is not the case. Sorry to dissappoint ya PH. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Jul 10, 2005, 12:35 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,225	We never established anal sex as a purely homosexual act. Boys have bottoms, girls have devices, or fingers...are you with me so far? :) The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Jul 10, 2005, 12:42 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	My wife does not, nor did my ex use devices toys or fingers.... I am still curious as to why PH finds my comment so interesting. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Jul 10, 2005, 12:46 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,225	Me thinks we're pulling your leg. Which is far less painful and more socially acceptable than putting things up your bottom, at least in a public forum. (My question for PH: who the hell is Jeff Gannon?) The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Jul 10, 2005, 12:54 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	Gannon was a "COP" so called news reporter that happened to be hiding a secret... aside being a reporter for a propoganda news site "talon news" he was also a big time gay web site runner. I.E. PH made the back handed attempt to tie me to Mr.Gannon's dubiousness. Which was funny but... Thus my laying out my straight credentials lol. I am not Gay sorry PH, and hiding behind a web of Cosnervative posts while secretly hitting the gay bars at night. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Jul 10, 2005, 12:59 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,225	Oh, that guy. Yeah, for a while there he was hated by the straights for being gay, and hated by the gays for being a conservative (or so it seemed). Pretty good, when you can piss off everyone on both sides. And he's not even that good looking. :) The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Jul 10, 2005, 01:02 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	If you say so, I don't really find myself judgeing men that way, but on this, I think I iwll take your word on it. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Jul 10, 2005, 01:07 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,225	Oh, come on. Don't you think he looks like someone who tripped and fell into a vat of Nair? The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Jul 10, 2005, 01:09 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	Hehe, I suppose if you look at it that way lol. Of course, on another forum I was attacked for being 100% behind TG rights, but this thread... has me rather amused. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Jul 10, 2005, 01:25 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,225	To divert PH's thread (I guess he can say if he objects) just a little, and since you brought it up; there are very few subjects that I am so passionate about that I can get truely angry discussing, and being gay isn't one of them. Sure, I'll vigorously defend my position, but I can't get the same venom in my attitude that some I've seen here have. I just don't care that much, because I'm a realist. This is just a forum, none of us can change federal or even state policy by ourselves, none of you really know me (though at least one lives somewhat close), and I don't expect the world to be a more understanding and tolerant place tomorrow if I win an argument tonight. I'm too mellow to get worked up over a disagreement. I know what I believe; that's enough for me. But because I do tend to get too serious about the issue, I'll generally avoid topics about racism, spousal/child abuse and cruelty toward animals. Hope I'm not boring you, but since you seemed surprised at the different reactions in this thread, I thought maybe knowing my attitude might explain at least why I might come across differnetly. I know when to debate and when to kid around. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Jul 10, 2005, 01:32 am	#17 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,225	PH, you keep posting his ugly mug and I may switch sides...I always did have a crush on Valerie Bertinelli... (and why does he have a square, gray dick?) The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Jul 10, 2005, 01:32 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	I'm just surprised he took that comment and ran with it. I get jumped from time to time and sometimes people have fun with things I say, but this one caught me off guard lol. I support TG persons 100% and for that some of my conservative friends hold me low reguard... that was a fun 10 page debate on a now dead forum.. sigh. Racsims pretty simple for me: "Judge a man by the merits of his character not the color of his skin" Don't beat your spouse. Hurt a child burn in hell, and Animals should be treated with respect. But I am a hunter which irks some people lol. You don't bore me, aside PH finding my comment to be "woah" the rest are all for fun I suppose. But... Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Jul 10, 2005, 01:35 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	Didn't miss spell it lol. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?