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Old Jun 29, 2005, 09:45 pm   #1 (permalink) (top)
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Saudis responsible for 9/11

I do not remenber Pres. George W Bush ever mentioning that Saudis were responsible for 9/11.

Do you remember any of Pres. George W Bush speeches that Saudis were responsible for 9/11?


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Old Jun 29, 2005, 10:48 pm   #2 (permalink) (top)
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Bush doesn't have to look any farther than his bathroom mirror for the source of 9/11.


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Old Jun 29, 2005, 10:55 pm   #3 (permalink) (top)
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I do not remenber Pres. George W Bush ever mentioning that Saudis were responsible for 9/11.

Do you remember any of Pres. George W Bush speeches that Saudis were responsible for 9/11?


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King George respects royalty. He holds hands, literally and figuratively, with the Saudi princes.


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Old Jun 29, 2005, 11:42 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
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Maybe this will turn into a debate. For now it is barely a post..let alone a debate.


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Old Jul 2, 2005, 09:49 am   #5 (permalink) (top)
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Sean: > ["Maybe this will turn into a debate. For now it is barely a post..let alone a debate."]

I understand what you are saying, but I do not understand why so many Americans believe that Iraq is responsible for 9/11.

Number of Iraqis responsible for 9/11is 0. Number of Americans killed by Iraqis on American soil is 0.

Number of Saudis responsible for 9/11 is 14, plus the financing a the organization from Saudi Arabia. Number of Americans killed by Saudis on U.S. soil is Over 3,000.

The 9/11 commission proves there was no link between Iraq and the events.

Why does Pres. GW Bush blame Iraq for 9/11?


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Old Jul 2, 2005, 12:16 pm   #6 (permalink) (top)
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The neocons have been calling for war in Iraq for years before 9/11. When the attacks of 9/11 happened Rumsfeld immediately ordered his aides to begin plans for an attack on Iraq.
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CBS News has learned that barely five hours after American Airlines Flight 77 plowed into the Pentagon, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld was telling his aides to come up with plans for striking Iraq — even though there was no evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the attacks.
Plans For Iraq Attack Began On 9/11

9/11 was just another excuse for a war entirely justified by lies.


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Old Jul 2, 2005, 02:03 pm   #7 (permalink) (top)
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I understand what you are saying, but I do not understand why so many Americans believe that Iraq is responsible for 9/11.
Because Americans are stupid, gullible sheep?

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Why does Pres. GW Bush blame Iraq for 9/11?
Because it fits in with his personal agenda? He tried to have evidence invented to link Iraq to 9/11 because he wanted to invade. He went into office with a desire to go after Saddam, long before 9/11. He was looking for an excuse. He found one.

And the American people support this lying schmuck.


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Old Jul 2, 2005, 04:27 pm   #8 (permalink) (top)
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A war or siezure of Saudi oilfields is likely if Iraq ever settles down. Gotta do something with the troops and Saudi has some nice assets.


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Old Jul 2, 2005, 05:34 pm   #9 (permalink) (top)
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Why does Pres. GW Bush blame Iraq for 9/11?
Can you post something credible to back up this statement please.


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Old Jul 2, 2005, 06:11 pm   #10 (permalink) (top)
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Dievel - the Fort Bragg speech given just merely days ago, where he flipflopped back from saying Iraq didn't have anything to do wit 9/11 to now Iraq was a part of 9/11 (in so many words...he may be an idiot, but his speechwriters sure aren't).
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Old Jul 2, 2005, 06:16 pm   #11 (permalink) (top)
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Heh, Dieval do you live in a cave?
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea..._id=1000972429
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USA Today founder Al Neuharth, who caused a stir last year when -- a bit ahead of the curve -- he told E&P that he favored a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq, re-iterated his position Friday, with even more force.

“I'm convinced the best way to support our troops in Iraq is to bring them home. Sooner rather than later,” Neuharth, a Bronze Star winner in World War II, declared. He also compared President Bush to President Lyndon B. Johnson, saying that both presidents “lied to us in wartime.”

Neuharth added, in his weekly column Friday in the newspaper he founded: “The crucial difference between Vietnam and Iraq is that there is no Cronkite to call Bush's bluff. Without a strong, trusted, non-political voice, too many of us remain Bush-blinded. Bush tried keeping the wool over our eyes again Tuesday on national TV by repeatedly tying Iraq to 9/11. That charge is as phony as his discredited prewar claim that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.”

Pointing to his own experience, Neuharth wrote: “Most of us who have had personal war experiences strongly believe this great country is worth fighting for at risk of lives. My World War II Bronze Star and Combat Infantryman's Badge on the wall behind my desk remind me of that daily.

"They also remind me that war is hell, that we must fully support our servicemen and women and put their lives at risk only for honest and just and noble causes.”


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Old Jul 2, 2005, 06:24 pm   #12 (permalink) (top)
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Can you post something credible to back up this statement please.
It was a twenty something minute speech and he referred to 9/11 fives times directly and three times indirectly as a justification of the war in Iraq. The NY Times commented:

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Bush chose to "raise the bloody flag of 9/11 over and over again to justify a war in a country that had nothing whatsoever to do with the terrorist attacks."


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Old Jul 3, 2005, 09:46 pm   #13 (permalink) (top)
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Nothing any of you have pointed out justified the claim that Paul made. Where did Bush SPECIFICALLY say that Iraq was to blame for 9/11?

Tying 9/11 to Iraq is not the same as BLAIMING Iraq for 9/11...


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Old Jul 5, 2005, 06:27 pm   #14 (permalink) (top)
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Nothing any of you have pointed out justified the claim that Paul made. Where did Bush SPECIFICALLY say that Iraq was to blame for 9/11?

Tying 9/11 to Iraq is not the same as BLAIMING Iraq for 9/11...
That is a distinction without a difference. Given that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, tying the two together is the functional equivalent of the old Bush/Cheney lie blaming Iraq for involvement in 9/11.

Cindy Sheehan the mother of Spc. Casey Austin Sheehan, who was killed in action in Iraq on 04/04/04. said it well:
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I felt like I was in Bizarro World as I heard George speak about 9/11 five times and mention terrorism 31 times, even though these rationales for war have been disproved repeatedly. I think George thinks that since we believed him once about terrorism vis-à-vis Iraq, that we must therefore be gullible enough to believe him this time. I don't know, and I am not a professional pundit, but my theory is he might have mentioned 9/11 to manipulate our emotions and maybe even frighten us a little again?


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Old Jul 5, 2005, 11:23 pm   #15 (permalink) (top)
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Paul: I understand what you are saying, but I do not understand why so many Americans believe that Iraq is responsible for 9/11... The 9/11 commission proves there was no link between Iraq and the events.
And I do not understand why so many people that look at the 9/11 commission to prove there was no link eb tween Iraq and 9/11 tend to ignore it when it exhonerates Bush. It's like they want to look at the parts of the commission report that supports their position but want to ignore the parts that don't. How does that work, exactly??

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Why does Pres. GW Bush blame Iraq for 9/11?
He does? I've never seen that. Can you provide a link, please?

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Cehpus: Because Americans are stupid, gullible sheep?
Are you American?

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Ricksp: That is a distinction without a difference. Given that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, tying the two together is the functional equivalent of the old Bush/Cheney lie blaming Iraq for involvement in 9/11.
It makes perfect sense. If you have a house and some member of your household gets stung by a wasp, you don't just knock out the hive from where that particular wasp came from. You look all around outside your house and look for all the hives and knock them all down so that other wasps from other hives don't do the same thing as the first wasp.

This is only hard to understand for dedicated Bush-bashers.
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