Bush and Hitler their are similarities

[Gilligan]

When was the last time a Western nation had a leader so obsessed with God and claiming God was on our side?

If you answered Adolph Hitler and Nazi Germany, you’re correct. Nothing can be more misleading than to categorize Hitler as a barbaric pagan or Godless totalitarian, like Stalin.

Both Bush and Hitler believe that they were chosen by God to lead their nations. With Hitler boldly proclaiming, before launching his doctrine of preventive war against all of Europe, that “I would like to thank Providence and the Almighty for choosing me of all people to be allowed to wage this battle for Germany.”

“I follow the path assigned to me by Providence with the instinctive sureness of a sleepwalker,” Hitler said.

Hitler stated in February 1940, “But there is something else I believe, and that is that there is a God. . . . And this God again has blessed our efforts during the past 13 years.” After the Iraqi invasion, Bush announced, “God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did . . . .” Neither the similarity between Hitler and Bush’s religious rhetoric nor the fact that the current President’s grandfather was called “Hitler’s Angel” by the New York Tribune for his financing of the Fuher’s rise to power is lost on Europeans.

Pat Robertson called Bush “a prophet” and Ralph Reed claimed, after the 9/11 attack, God picked the President because “he knew George Bush had the ability to lead in this compelling way.” Hitler told the German people in March 1936, “Providence withdrew its protection and our people fell, fell as scarcely any other people heretofore. In this deep misery we again learn to pray. . . . The mercy of the Lord slowly returns to us again. And in this hour we sink to our knees and beseech our almighty God that he may bless us, that He may give us the strength to carry on the struggle for the freedom, the future, the honor, and the peace of our people. So help us God.”

At the beginning of Hitler’s crusade on April 12, 1922, he spelled out his version of the warmongering Jesus: “My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.” Randall Balmer in The Nation, noted that “Bush’s God is the eye-for-an-eye God of the Hebrew prophets and the Book of Revelation, the God of vengeance and retribution.”

As Bush has invoked the cross of Jesus to simultaneously attack the Islamic and Arab world, Hitler also saw the value of exalting the cross while waging endless war: “To be sure, our Christian Cross should be the most exalted symbol of the struggle against the Jewish-Marxist-Bolshevik spirit."

Like Bush-ites, Hitler was fond of invoking the Ten Commandments as the foundation of Nazi Germany: “The Ten Commandments are a code of living to which there’s no refutation. These precepts correspond to irrefragable needs of the human soul.”

But if you ever wondered where Bush got his idea for so-called “faith-based initiatives” you need only consult Hitler’s January 30, 1939 speech to the Reichstag. The Fuhrer begins, “Amongst the accusations which are directed against Germany in the so-called democracy is the charge that the National Socialist State is hostile to religion.”

Hitler goes on to document how much “public monies derived from taxation through the organs of the State have been placed at the disposal of both churches [Protestant and Catholic].” Hitler gave nearly 1.8 billion Reichsmarks between 1933-1938 directly to the Christian churches. In 1938 alone, he bragged that the Nazis gave half a billion Reichsmarks from the national government and an additional 92 million Reichsmarks from the Nazi-controlled German states and parish associations.

Hitler made the intent of his faith-based initiative clear when he noted, “With a tenth of our budget for religion, we would thus have a Church devoted to the State and of unshakable loyalty. . . . the little sects, which receive only a few hundred thousand marks, are devoted to us body and soul.”

Bush’s assertion that “I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn’t do my job” brings to mind God as a dull-witted, cognitively-impaired nationalist unable to utter a simple declarative sentence who spends his time preaching “blessed are the warmongers and profit-makers.”

[Prometheus]

Good job! You get 1,000,000 bonus points for coming up with the most origional critique of a political leader.

[Segomo]

Well, I really don't see how you can draw such a comparison. Last I checked, Bush was without a moustache.

[PatrickHenry]

Wasn't Hitler a little guy? I mean height challenged? I mean, below the mean in stature?

Screw it. Wasn't he a short sonuvabitch?

[gr8fuldaniel]

This takes a minute to load......Bushitler

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."
- President-Elect George W. Bush, CNN News, December 18, 2000

[Nono]

Jokes aside, what has helped Bush -- like You-Know-Who -- to stay in power has been the overtones of fascism detectable in the US since 911 came to save his political ass. And once criticism of authority is equated with Lack of Patriotism, well you've got it made.

[tinybear]

Here's my question: Do you think Eva Braun is a hotter babe than Laura Bush?

[Whodoe!]

It is completely ridiculous to compare Bush to Hitler in any other way than to say they were/are both world leaders. It defies logic, historical context and common sense. To make this claim only shows the claimant as a tool of low-brow extremists. And that was Hitler, a low-brow extremist.

As for Tiny Bear's more relevant thought, I can easily make the claim that Eva was hotter than Laura if reference is being made to a sex toy. But what fool actually marries a sex toy?

[fedfem]

Quote by: Gilligan When was the last time a Western nation had a leader so obsessed with God and claiming God was on our side? If you answered Adolph Hitler and Nazi Germany, you’re correct. Nothing can be more misleading than to categorize Hitler as a barbaric pagan or Godless totalitarian, like Stalin. Both Bush and Hitler believe that they were chosen by God to lead their nations. With Hitler boldly proclaiming, before launching his doctrine of preventive war against all of Europe, that “I would like to thank Providence and the Almighty for choosing me of all people to be allowed to wage this battle for Germany.” “I follow the path assigned to me by Providence with the instinctive sureness of a sleepwalker,” Hitler said. Hitler stated in February 1940, “But there is something else I believe, and that is that there is a God. . . . And this God again has blessed our efforts during the past 13 years.” After the Iraqi invasion, Bush announced, “God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did . . . .” Neither the similarity between Hitler and Bush’s religious rhetoric nor the fact that the current President’s grandfather was called “Hitler’s Angel” by the New York Tribune for his financing of the Fuher’s rise to power is lost on Europeans. Pat Robertson called Bush “a prophet” and Ralph Reed claimed, after the 9/11 attack, God picked the President because “he knew George Bush had the ability to lead in this compelling way.” Hitler told the German people in March 1936, “Providence withdrew its protection and our people fell, fell as scarcely any other people heretofore. In this deep misery we again learn to pray. . . . The mercy of the Lord slowly returns to us again. And in this hour we sink to our knees and beseech our almighty God that he may bless us, that He may give us the strength to carry on the struggle for the freedom, the future, the honor, and the peace of our people. So help us God.” At the beginning of Hitler’s crusade on April 12, 1922, he spelled out his version of the warmongering Jesus: “My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.” Randall Balmer in The Nation, noted that “Bush’s God is the eye-for-an-eye God of the Hebrew prophets and the Book of Revelation, the God of vengeance and retribution.” As Bush has invoked the cross of Jesus to simultaneously attack the Islamic and Arab world, Hitler also saw the value of exalting the cross while waging endless war: “To be sure, our Christian Cross should be the most exalted symbol of the struggle against the Jewish-Marxist-Bolshevik spirit." Like Bush-ites, Hitler was fond of invoking the Ten Commandments as the foundation of Nazi Germany: “The Ten Commandments are a code of living to which there’s no refutation. These precepts correspond to irrefragable needs of the human soul.” But if you ever wondered where Bush got his idea for so-called “faith-based initiatives” you need only consult Hitler’s January 30, 1939 speech to the Reichstag. The Fuhrer begins, “Amongst the accusations which are directed against Germany in the so-called democracy is the charge that the National Socialist State is hostile to religion.” Hitler goes on to document how much “public monies derived from taxation through the organs of the State have been placed at the disposal of both churches [Protestant and Catholic].” Hitler gave nearly 1.8 billion Reichsmarks between 1933-1938 directly to the Christian churches. In 1938 alone, he bragged that the Nazis gave half a billion Reichsmarks from the national government and an additional 92 million Reichsmarks from the Nazi-controlled German states and parish associations. Hitler made the intent of his faith-based initiative clear when he noted, “With a tenth of our budget for religion, we would thus have a Church devoted to the State and of unshakable loyalty. . . . the little sects, which receive only a few hundred thousand marks, are devoted to us body and soul.” Bush’s assertion that “I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn’t do my job” brings to mind God as a dull-witted, cognitively-impaired nationalist unable to utter a simple declarative sentence who spends his time preaching “blessed are the warmongers and profit-makers.”

I think the term "NAZI" is unique and in no way is Bush and his administration "Nazi" but I will agree that fascism is threatening the US today. Many of the techniques used by the the nazi party have been used by the current faction in charge today. It took over 20 years for the Nazi party to bring fascism and their policies to power and it would take us just as long if not longer here. If we start having so-called attacks on our infrastructure and we start invading sovereign countries and use religion and ideology to divide our citizenry, then we can start worrying.

[lsbskins1]

If you require exactitude in your anologies, I suppose Hitler's only close compatriot would be Stalin, but even that could be parsed and "debunked" if you were tight enough in your definitions. I believe it is best to consider the question from another angle. When someone compares anyone to Hitler, what message are they trying to get across to you? Are they tring to say that Bush is going to become "just like Hitler" and unleash a genocidal Holocaust? Or are they trying to say, "Be careful, even something as horrible as the Holocaust began with baby steps." The comparison between Bush and Hitler is not born out of a belief that Bush is just as bad, but rather that he and his compatriots use some of the tactics of facism. Appeals to "love of country" are not that different from appeals to "love of Fatherland" when the appeal is not based on whether or not the action your country is taking is right, but rather, based on jingoistic pride. This is a tactic of facism. The fostering of an US v. THEM mentality is a tactic of facism. Refusing to consider disenting opinion anything less than an attack on the state is a tactic of facism. Creating a legal no-mans land of a class of people who have no claim to justice (enemy combatants v. jews) is a tactic of facism. That does not mean that I believe that what is going on in Gitmo or anywhere is else is an exact paralell to death camps. It means that the Nazis did not simply ignore legalities, they cloaked their actions in a language of legallity, they parsed and justified and propogated the Nuremburg Laws and I compare calling the Geneva Conventions "quaint" in a legal opinion in which we change the definition of torture to that tactic. It is the parsing of terms and the justification of actions that previously would have been considered illegal in order to give your cause the "cloak" of legal legitimacy. If you don't want to be compared to facists, don't use their tools and tactics.

[dotcoma]

Quote by: Whodoe! It is completely ridiculous to compare Bush to Hitler in any other way than to say they were/are both world leaders. It defies logic, historical context and common sense. To make this claim only shows the claimant as a tool of low-brow extremists. And that was Hitler, a low-brow extremist. As for Tiny Bear's more relevant thought, I can easily make the claim that Eva was hotter than Laura if reference is being made to a sex toy. But what fool actually marries a sex toy?

Thank you Whodoe. You see, while the majority is not like this here, there are a few people who are absolutely out of touch with this "logic" you speak of :) The comparison is disgusting. Nobody should be compared to Hitler. It is so cliche and wrong. I like how all of the people who do compare him to Hitler in this topic are all part of that conspiracy group lol.

[Athena]

Quote by: Whodoe! It is completely ridiculous to compare Bush to Hitler in any other way than to say they were/are both world leaders. It defies logic, historical context and common sense. To make this claim only shows the claimant as a tool of low-brow extremists. And that was Hitler, a low-brow extremist. As for Tiny Bear's more relevant thought, I can easily make the claim that Eva was hotter than Laura if reference is being made to a sex toy. But what fool actually marries a sex toy?

Not only do Bush and Hitler share much in common, but so do their populations. US citizens are in as much denial as the good Germans were before Hitler took control.
The steps towards a police state we have taken since I was in grade school are shocking.
I was told we do not have to carry and show ID as do people in Europe. While a janitor driving at night. police would stop my car and request the ID's of everyone in my car. When I protested this, things got very interesting, but you know what, the law was on my side.

I remember it was against the law for an employer to ask about a person's criminal record, unless there was a good reason for this, and property managers never did. In fact, in my memory the only people to check people's records, were creditors. Our Christian nation, following Jesus, was not the police state it is today. Now we marginalize people, and it is ugly out there. We are no longer the private, forgiven and Christian loving people we were, but are as paranoid as Germany was- that is excessive need to be superior and in control, and the difference in our culture is the result of replacing our liberal education with Germany's education for technology for military and industrail purpose. We are the opposite of what we were, and Christianity has become a problem that it was not.

We stopped transmitting our culture, so we are divided and reactionary. Without the set of values and principles we once had, we are judging right and wrong by our feelings, and everywhere we are told to put ourselves first. This is so wrong compared to our past values, and that Christians are supporting this as they did in Nazi, Germany, is unnerving. God, I so regret this destortion of Christianity and the way Bush is using it, just as Hitler did. Christianity without our the culture we had, is not the same thing, it is what Germany had.

[belverron]

Quote by: dotcoma Nobody should be compared to Hitler. It is so cliche and wrong.

Cliche, yes. Wrong... why? If we can compare Iraq to Vietnam....

[rcne]

Quote by: Athena Not only do Bush and Hitler share much in common, but so do their populations. US citizens are in as much denial as the good Germans were before Hitler took control.

Hahahaha - I love the humor of this site. Always the comparisons of Bush with the nastiest creatures of our time.

Be more original - think of Attila the Hun or Genghis Kahn. Nazi/Hitler, Hitler/Nazi it all gets kinda old when making slanted analogies.

[Nono]

Quote by: Isbskins1 The Nazis did not simply ignore legalities, they cloaked their actions in a language of legallity, they parsed and justified and propogated the Nuremburg Laws and I compare calling the Geneva Conventions "quaint" in a legal opinion in which we change the definition of torture to that tactic. (...) If you don't want to be compared to facists, don't use their tools and tactics.

Well said, Isb. If the shoe fits, wear it. There's more than a whiff of fascism in the States these days.

"Sure we'll have fascism in America, but it'll come disguised as 100 percent Americanism."
Huey P. Long

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Whodoe! It is completely ridiculous to compare Bush to Hitler in any other way than to say they were/are both world leaders.

bush is not a world leader. The world looks at him in disgust. They do not trust him. He has stolen 2 elections and has abused power at every turn. He has weakened America by sending National Guards from every state, overseas to fight guerilla warfare that they are neither equipped nor trained for. Leaving the states guards down. This he has done in the name of profiteering. Wartime profiteering is treason. It puts Americans in harms way for unjust reasons. The wars he has declared are not against Jews, but against Moslems, big difference. We dont do body counts, because that would make bush look even more like Hitler. bush is not like hitler because he has no command of the English language, I have never heard anyone describe hitler as a retard or a chimp. I have heard him called a war criminal and it was backed up with facts.
The 14 Characteristics of Fascism

Quote by: rcne Be more original - think of Attila the Hun or Genghis Kahn. Nazi/Hitler, Hitler/Nazi it all gets kinda old when making slanted analogies.

Slanted analogies? Bush's own words condemn him:
"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."
- President-Elect George W. Bush, CNN News, December 18, 2000

EDIT:
ooops! I misread that; rcne, my response had a good point, but not really focused on your point.
I should have quoted your 1st sentence instead of your 2nd.
Sorry.

[Lou Minotti]

Actually, Bush and his father ate off of Nazi silverware and worshipped death when they were in college. I would say they are all different fruit from the same rotten tree...

[Milton Bradley]

Many will need to wait until Bush is done to draw the final comparison.


I see to many similarities in the way these men operate not to make the comparison now.


May I remind the skeptics that Bush is not done yet. He has at least three more years of abuses un less he impeached, or declares Martial Law. I think we have all seen that he is working at a furious pace to subvert all constitutional safeguards of his constituency. He also makes no qualms about abusing his Executive power grab, and exercising his Executive Order privileges. All the signs to insure he thinks of himself as the Defender of America, even though he does not appear to hold any of the valued ideals of the country he claims to represent.


May I also remind the skeptics that we can be sure all of GWB's crimes have not even been discovered yet. I'm sure many will come to light after he leaves office (assuming he does not declare Martial Law upon the next "terrorist" attack), as is always the case.

[Whodoe!]

If Bush were as bad as Hitler was, we would not yet know it. But really, this is silliness of the greatest order!

For fun MB, what comparisons to how these men operate have you? They both ran countries? They both used the men's room while standing? An only modest amount of research (um ... ask a librarian and not a political action group) will show you that these two people could hardly be more different.

More fun doing old and new comparisons from Hitler's time to today would be a look at major media coverage (specifically presidential powers - FDR) of 1940 and now (specifically Bush). Boo! That’s spooky!

[abub]

This is RIDICULOUS! Adolf Hitler was a self-proclaimed Athiest. It was only when he was "spiritually free" that he could get plans underway for his "final solution" to the jewish question.