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tinybear · Jun 6, 2005, 12:54 pm

You gotta be kidding James. You mean God spoke to everyone of those men who wrote/amended the Bible? You discount the possibility that not one of those men took it upon himself to write or rewrite the Bible? C'mon. Get real!

**Matt W** · Jun 6, 2005, 12:55 pm

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And if the Bible was changed in any way that affected its meaning or message, then it was from God.

Interesting theory. So the changes to the Bible from the original made by the Protestants after they split from Catholicism were God-inspired? How 'bout the changes by Catholics when they split from the Orthodox Church? Are you denying that any of these changes were mortal in origin?

Nono · Jun 6, 2005, 01:07 pm

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The Bible does say 'thou shalt not kill', but it says any man who lies with another man should be put to death, and if any man kills another man then he is to be put to death.

The Bible pretty well says something to support pretty well any position, given that people with absolutely opposite views quote it in their support. This is an example. Either thou shalt kill in certain circumstances or thou shalt not kill period. James quotes both. They can't both be valid. I'm not being snide when I point out that this is an obvious problem.

And James, when you join the Marine Corps, they're going to tell you to kill and that'll be it -- no Bible-based review of the order before execution. Or are you confident that all those issuing orders will be doing so under God's direct supervision?

tinybear · Jun 6, 2005, 01:34 pm

If James were in China, the state will send him off to be re-educated. :)

Seriously James. You mustn't swallow what your church tells you without question. And I was gonna vote for you when you run for President too.

Nono · Jun 6, 2005, 01:45 pm

Yes, remember that all churches, mosques, temples, synagogues, etc. -- every last one of them -- claims to be preaching The Truth. They can't all be right. Why would the one that you just happen to be born into be the one that knows The Truth? Bit of a coincidence dont't you think?

You owe it to yourself to ask questions and seriously examine the replies.

James · Jun 6, 2005, 04:13 pm

Is it so hard to believe that the omnipotent creator could speak to so many men? And God wouldn't let His own word be twisted into anything that isn't correct or anything that doesn't meet His law.

I don't take orders from my church, they come from the Bible. The King James Version, big surprise, huh?

When I join the Marine Corps, I probably won't have to kill anyone unless we go to war or are still at war now. If I'm shot at, I'll shoot back. Why would I be ordered to just flat out execute someone? Huh? If in war we captured one of the enemy who we KNEW had killed one or more of our men, I would execute him. The Bible says that any man who kills another is to be put to death. Executing a murderer is not a sin, according to what I believe. And he'd be put to death anyway, so why should I not do it? But if we captured someone who hadn't killed anyone, then I would not take an order to shoot them. Even attempting to kill someone, I don't think I could kill them. I would take them as a prisoner, but I don't think I could.

**Matt W** · Jun 7, 2005, 05:20 am

So you'd violate the Geneva Convention? You'd be a self-confessed war criminal? This gets better & better! You won't make it anywhere NEAR the Marines with that kind of attitude, will you?

And finally...let's focus for a moment on Henry VIII's reasons for forming the Church of England. Motivated by God, or just a desire to get round a Papal ban on his divorce? Very...Godly, don't yuo think?

castille · Jun 7, 2005, 05:56 am

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Is it so hard to believe that the omnipotent creator could speak to so many men?

I find it hard to believe in an omnipotent being altogether.

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When I join the Marine Corps, I probably won't have to kill anyone unless we go to war or are still at war now. If I'm shot at, I'll shoot back.

What if you're ordered to fire a few missiles into a village?

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The Bible says that any man who kills another is to be put to death. Executing a murderer is not a sin, according to what I believe.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Are you without sin?

Nono · Jun 7, 2005, 06:08 am

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God wouldn't let His own word be twisted into anything that isn't correct or anything that doesn't meet His law.

Well, God let's an awful lot of quite awful things happen. Why not that?

So you're telling us that Torquemada (and many thousands of others) were above board?
After all, they based their actions on God's word.
Answer please James.

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Why would I be ordered to just flat out execute someone? Huh?

I think you must be very naive. You think that hasn't happened before lots of times?

And James, the Bible says Thous shalt not kill -- no prevarication, no conditions, no footnotes.

tinybear · Jun 7, 2005, 07:28 am

You know what, guys? I'm beginning to think James is just pulling our legs.

**Pooeypants** · Jun 7, 2005, 07:30 am

Oh really? How do you know that we're not yanking your legs?

tinybear · Jun 7, 2005, 07:33 am

Well, the last person who tried to touch my legs got clobbered.

**Matt W** · Jun 7, 2005, 07:35 am

I sure as hell hope so!

Edit: That was a response to tb about James pulling our legs!

**Pooeypants** · Jun 7, 2005, 07:35 am

Hey, was that your last boss? Hehe. Guess he was a leg man.

Nono · Jun 7, 2005, 08:09 am

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You know what, guys? I'm beginning to think James is just pulling our legs.

Possible, but I don't think so. You should visit the American South sometime, tiny. You'd be shocked.

James · Jun 7, 2005, 11:58 pm

There's so many accusations to respond to... I'll just answer everything here:

If I were ordered to launch missiles into a village where there were innocent people, I would not do it, unless in some way that would save many more lives.

If an enemy who had murdered US soldiers was already prisoner and awaiting trial, I would not kill them without provocation, such as if they got out and tried to kill me.

I can't judge Henry VIII, I'm not going to be his judge. God's already done that. I don't know whether He's in Heaven or Hell now, but it's upon his own head. And I don't support the Church of England. I'm a Southern Baptist.

God doesn't cause bad things to happen, He can't. But he lets things happen. It's not His fault, it's ours. The world was perfect until Adam and Eve were tempted by Satan and refused to have faith in God.

If you don't believe in an omnipotent being, then why am I wasting time talking to you about anything else?! You can't sink into a deeper discussion without believing in the cause and reason for everything we're discussing! And that goes for everyone. If you don't even believe in God, then quit hassling me about everything else. And if you don't believe the words of the Bible, then you can't quote it as an argument.

People can see this in two different ways:
1. Yes, I have committed sins before. Many, too many to count.
2. No. God sees me as a perfect individual. I've been redeemed. Once forgiven of sin by Jesus
Christ, God has literally forgiven and forgotten. My name's written in the Book of Life. Is yours?

If ordered to shoot and murder someone in cold blood, I would not. And I would stop anyone, even my CO, from doing it unless it was in self defense. I wouldn't just go up to someone sitting there and shoot them. God put me here for a reason, and I've got to defend myself until my task is completed.

The Bible does say 'thou shalt not murder', but...
1. "And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death."-Leviticus 24:17
2. "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be put upon them."-Leviticus 20:13
3. "And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast."-Leviticus 20:15

tinybear · Jun 8, 2005, 01:07 am

Does the beast get a fair trial? I mean, what if the beast didn't consent?

James · Jun 8, 2005, 04:28 pm

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Does the beast get a fair trial? I mean, what if the beast didn't consent?

It's an animal! The Bible says that God gave man dominion over all things on the earth. All animals. There is no mortal thing higher than man.

Are you one of those environmental wackos?

cheesenuggett · Jun 8, 2005, 08:30 pm

wow, this is amazing, all this conservative ignorance compacted into one thread

let them live and stop being such assholes

lsbskins1 · Jun 8, 2005, 09:24 pm

Sadly, James is not kidding. I was raised in the Southern Baptist church and he has swallowed what they feed and regurgitates it quite accurately. It must be nice to live with that much certainty. It has to be the attraction of fundamentalism. He behaves as if he has a direct line to the celestial palace. I do notice that he has no problem with the logical inconsistancies. He simply retreats to the "I can not be wrong because God can not be wrong" defense.I notice he has this in common with the other famous fundamentalists of the world(Bin Laden comes to mind).My only hope is that when the Judgement Day comes(if, in fact ,it is coming), I will either be right myself and get to watch the looks of bewilderment that are on the faces of those who were so sure they were right as they plunge into the firey pit, or I can grab onto Bin Laden or James' leg as we plunge together and take my last little bit of pleasure from seeing their aforementioned bewilderment.

Jun 6, 2005, 01:45 pm	#25 (permalink) (top)
Nono Throbbing Member Location: Old Europe Posts: 7,453	Yes, remember that all churches, mosques, temples, synagogues, etc. -- every last one of them -- claims to be preaching The Truth. They can't all be right. Why would the one that you just happen to be born into be the one that knows The Truth? Bit of a coincidence dont't you think? You owe it to yourself to ask questions and seriously examine the replies. "I wish I was as cocksure of anything as Tom Macaulay is of everything." -- Viscount Melbourne

Jun 6, 2005, 04:13 pm	#26 (permalink) (top)
James Igneous Magma Location: NC Posts: 293	Is it so hard to believe that the omnipotent creator could speak to so many men? And God wouldn't let His own word be twisted into anything that isn't correct or anything that doesn't meet His law. I don't take orders from my church, they come from the Bible. The King James Version, big surprise, huh? When I join the Marine Corps, I probably won't have to kill anyone unless we go to war or are still at war now. If I'm shot at, I'll shoot back. Why would I be ordered to just flat out execute someone? Huh? If in war we captured one of the enemy who we KNEW had killed one or more of our men, I would execute him. The Bible says that any man who kills another is to be put to death. Executing a murderer is not a sin, according to what I believe. And he'd be put to death anyway, so why should I not do it? But if we captured someone who hadn't killed anyone, then I would not take an order to shoot them. Even attempting to kill someone, I don't think I could kill them. I would take them as a prisoner, but I don't think I could. "It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible." -- George Washington

Jun 7, 2005, 05:20 am	#27 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 7,212	So you'd violate the Geneva Convention? You'd be a self-confessed war criminal? This gets better & better! You won't make it anywhere NEAR the Marines with that kind of attitude, will you? And finally...let's focus for a moment on Henry VIII's reasons for forming the Church of England. Motivated by God, or just a desire to get round a Papal ban on his divorce? Very...Godly, don't yuo think? I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Jun 7, 2005, 07:30 am	#31 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,609	Oh really? How do you know that we're not yanking your legs? War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Jun 7, 2005, 07:35 am	#33 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 7,212	I sure as hell hope so! Edit: That was a response to tb about James pulling our legs! I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes. Last edited by Matt W; Jun 7, 2005 at 07:38 am.

Jun 6, 2005, 12:54 pm	#21 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 7,336	You gotta be kidding James. You mean God spoke to everyone of those men who wrote/amended the Bible? You discount the possibility that not one of those men took it upon himself to write or rewrite the Bible? C'mon. Get real!

Jun 6, 2005, 01:34 pm	#24 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 7,336	If James were in China, the state will send him off to be re-educated. :) Seriously James. You mustn't swallow what your church tells you without question. And I was gonna vote for you when you run for President too.

Jun 7, 2005, 07:28 am	#30 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 7,336	You know what, guys? I'm beginning to think James is just pulling our legs.

Jun 7, 2005, 07:33 am	#32 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 7,336	Well, the last person who tried to touch my legs got clobbered.

Jun 7, 2005, 07:35 am	#34 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,609	Hey, was that your last boss? Hehe. Guess he was a leg man. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Jun 7, 2005, 11:58 pm	#36 (permalink) (top)
James Igneous Magma Location: NC Posts: 293	There's so many accusations to respond to... I'll just answer everything here: If I were ordered to launch missiles into a village where there were innocent people, I would not do it, unless in some way that would save many more lives. If an enemy who had murdered US soldiers was already prisoner and awaiting trial, I would not kill them without provocation, such as if they got out and tried to kill me. I can't judge Henry VIII, I'm not going to be his judge. God's already done that. I don't know whether He's in Heaven or Hell now, but it's upon his own head. And I don't support the Church of England. I'm a Southern Baptist. God doesn't cause bad things to happen, He can't. But he lets things happen. It's not His fault, it's ours. The world was perfect until Adam and Eve were tempted by Satan and refused to have faith in God. If you don't believe in an omnipotent being, then why am I wasting time talking to you about anything else?! You can't sink into a deeper discussion without believing in the cause and reason for everything we're discussing! And that goes for everyone. If you don't even believe in God, then quit hassling me about everything else. And if you don't believe the words of the Bible, then you can't quote it as an argument. People can see this in two different ways: 1. Yes, I have committed sins before. Many, too many to count. 2. No. God sees me as a perfect individual. I've been redeemed. Once forgiven of sin by Jesus Christ, God has literally forgiven and forgotten. My name's written in the Book of Life. Is yours? If ordered to shoot and murder someone in cold blood, I would not. And I would stop anyone, even my CO, from doing it unless it was in self defense. I wouldn't just go up to someone sitting there and shoot them. God put me here for a reason, and I've got to defend myself until my task is completed. The Bible does say 'thou shalt not murder', but... 1. "And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death."-Leviticus 24:17 2. "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be put upon them."-Leviticus 20:13 3. "And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast."-Leviticus 20:15 "It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible." -- George Washington

Jun 8, 2005, 01:07 am	#37 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 7,336	Does the beast get a fair trial? I mean, what if the beast didn't consent?

Jun 8, 2005, 08:30 pm	#39 (permalink) (top)
cheesenuggett Molten Ash Posts: 94	wow, this is amazing, all this conservative ignorance compacted into one thread let them live and stop being such assholes cheesenuggett.com is a great site with both games, and flash animations! check it out! also be sure to post on my message board! it rocks!

Jun 8, 2005, 09:24 pm	#40 (permalink) (top)
lsbskins1 Redskins Rule Location: South-Western Virginia Posts: 2,574	Sadly, James is not kidding. I was raised in the Southern Baptist church and he has swallowed what they feed and regurgitates it quite accurately. It must be nice to live with that much certainty. It has to be the attraction of fundamentalism. He behaves as if he has a direct line to the celestial palace. I do notice that he has no problem with the logical inconsistancies. He simply retreats to the "I can not be wrong because God can not be wrong" defense.I notice he has this in common with the other famous fundamentalists of the world(Bin Laden comes to mind).My only hope is that when the Judgement Day comes(if, in fact ,it is coming), I will either be right myself and get to watch the looks of bewilderment that are on the faces of those who were so sure they were right as they plunge into the firey pit, or I can grab onto Bin Laden or James' leg as we plunge together and take my last little bit of pleasure from seeing their aforementioned bewilderment.