Volconvo is a debate forum for the discussion of political, religious, and news-based topics.

tinybear · Jun 23, 2005, 06:51 am

So despite being born in a place ruled by Romans, he wasn't a Roman citizen, huh? I think we should learn something from this.

**Pooeypants** · Jun 23, 2005, 07:00 am

Wait, you think the Jews were privileged Roman Citizens? Which planet do you come from?

tinybear · Jun 23, 2005, 07:47 am

Were they slaves?

**Matt W** · Jun 23, 2005, 07:54 am

tb, go and look it up.

**Pooeypants** · Jun 23, 2005, 08:05 am

Quote:

Quote by: tinybear

Were they slaves?

How about I recommend an easy watching film with a bit of history, say, A Life of Brian?

Sometimes you make me feel like wanting to go over there and crack your head open to see what it's filled with...

tinybear · Jun 23, 2005, 08:11 am

Why look it up when there are so many wisecrac...I mean wise men to ask on Volconvo?

**Pooeypants** · Jun 23, 2005, 08:17 am

Quote:

Quote by: tinybear

Why look it up when there are so many wisecrac...I mean wise men to ask on Volconvo?

Because we are not worthy for the likes of you. Oh great Bear who is tiny.

**Matt W** · Jun 23, 2005, 09:25 am

And research is something that aids in job searches. You might want to get the hang of it.

tinybear · Jun 23, 2005, 10:55 am

Nah, just wear a short skirt and a low cut dress. Works everytime.

**Matt W** · Jun 23, 2005, 11:01 am

Not for me it doesn't.

And it really does depend what sort of job you're going for....

**Matt W** · Jun 23, 2005, 11:02 am

Quote:

So despite being born in a place ruled by Romans, he wasn't a Roman citizen, huh? I think we should learn something from this.

By the way, this did amuse me. Should Britain have ignored all those HK Chinese who wanted to escape just before we handed the colony back to China?

tinybear · Jun 23, 2005, 11:09 am

Britain should not have. It was not a honorable thing to do.

**Matt W** · Jun 23, 2005, 11:14 am

Should not have ignored the HK Chinese, or should not have given the colony back?

**Pooeypants** · Jun 23, 2005, 11:16 am

Quote:

Quote by: tinybear

Nah, just wear a short skirt and a low cut dress. Works everytime.

Ah, is that why you're frequently employed? Oh wait, no you're not...

So then, have you found out yet if the Jews were considered Romans in those times or are you just here to waste our time again?

tinybear · Jun 23, 2005, 11:34 am

I'm waiting for your pearls of wisdom.

tinybear · Jun 23, 2005, 11:36 am

Quote:

Quote by: Matt W

Should not have ignored the HK Chinese, or should not have given the colony back?

I suppose they had to give the colony back. But they shouldn't have ignored their 3 million British subjects. In fact not only did they ignore, but they deceived.

**Pooeypants** · Jun 23, 2005, 11:54 am

How did they decieve them? Enlighten me.

**Matt W** · Jun 23, 2005, 11:59 am

Indeed. I await your pearls of wisdom, tb. As far as I was aware, most HK Chinese were free to apply for British citizenship - quite a few did, if I recall rightly.

tinybear · Jun 23, 2005, 03:16 pm

Tsk, tsk, obviously the two of you know very little of what was happening in Beijing and Hong Kong in the run up to the Sino-British negotiations for the handover of Hong Kong. The story starts in 1979 when Hong Kong Governor Sir Murray Maclehose visited Beijing to see Deng Hsiao Ping, hina's 'paramount leader'. The purpose of the visit was officially just a courtesy call. We now know that Sir Murray was there to talk about Hong Kong's future. The lease of the New Territories was about to expire. It was a problem which needed to be raised and addressed. Deng told him in no uncertain terms that China would resume administration of HK in 1997, but that HK would be granted special freedoms and privileges to preserve its capitalist way of life and that HK's investors should put their minds at ease. Sir Murray's proposal that the lease be extended was flatly turned down. Deng said it was non-negotiable. Sir Murray came back to HK and told the people a half-truth. He said that Deng has advised investors in HK to put their minds at ease.

Meanwhile, he went to Whitehall with the bad news and discussed with the Foreign Office what they should do with the 3 million odd British subjects who held British Dependent Territory passports but had not applied for right of abode in Britain. They decided to plug all legal loopholes and effectively slam the gates shut on their faces. In 1981, the British Nationality Act was tabled at the British Parliament. Some Hong Kong people cried foul and said that the Act was aimed at depriving all Hong Kong British subjects of their right to apply to be 'full' British citizens, carrying with it the right of abode. Britain strongly denied this. A propaganda campaign was then started to allay fears. It's all aimed at the Africans and the West Indians whose countries have since acquired independence and have conferred citizenship on these former British subjects, it was said. Hong Kong swallowed it hook, line and sinker. In 1982, Maggie Thatcher went to Beijing for formal negotiations with Beijing over HK's future. The timing of the visit was significant. The Act had just been passed. 3 million odd British subjects were in limbo, holding British 'passports' which were mere travel documents, no better than Mickey Mouse passes issued by Disneyland.

**Pooeypants** · Jun 23, 2005, 03:18 pm

Thank you. Of course, I could've got the exact same lecture from my parents.

Yes, I just wasted 5 seconds of your life and I'm not giving it back.

Ever.

Jun 23, 2005, 07:00 am	#102 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,609	Wait, you think the Jews were privileged Roman Citizens? Which planet do you come from? War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Jun 23, 2005, 07:54 am	#104 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 7,206	tb, go and look it up. I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Jun 23, 2005, 09:25 am	#108 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 7,206	And research is something that aids in job searches. You might want to get the hang of it. I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Jun 23, 2005, 11:01 am	#110 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 7,206	Not for me it doesn't. And it really does depend what sort of job you're going for.... I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Jun 23, 2005, 11:14 am	#113 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 7,206	Should not have ignored the HK Chinese, or should not have given the colony back? I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Jun 23, 2005, 06:51 am	#101 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 7,334	So despite being born in a place ruled by Romans, he wasn't a Roman citizen, huh? I think we should learn something from this.

Jun 23, 2005, 07:47 am	#103 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 7,334	Were they slaves?

Jun 23, 2005, 08:11 am	#106 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 7,334	Why look it up when there are so many wisecrac...I mean wise men to ask on Volconvo?

Jun 23, 2005, 10:55 am	#109 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 7,334	Nah, just wear a short skirt and a low cut dress. Works everytime.

Jun 23, 2005, 11:09 am	#112 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 7,334	Britain should not have. It was not a honorable thing to do.

Jun 23, 2005, 11:34 am	#115 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 7,334	I'm waiting for your pearls of wisdom.

Jun 23, 2005, 11:54 am	#117 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,609	How did they decieve them? Enlighten me. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Jun 23, 2005, 11:59 am	#118 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 7,206	Indeed. I await your pearls of wisdom, tb. As far as I was aware, most HK Chinese were free to apply for British citizenship - quite a few did, if I recall rightly. I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Jun 23, 2005, 03:16 pm	#119 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 7,334	Tsk, tsk, obviously the two of you know very little of what was happening in Beijing and Hong Kong in the run up to the Sino-British negotiations for the handover of Hong Kong. The story starts in 1979 when Hong Kong Governor Sir Murray Maclehose visited Beijing to see Deng Hsiao Ping, hina's 'paramount leader'. The purpose of the visit was officially just a courtesy call. We now know that Sir Murray was there to talk about Hong Kong's future. The lease of the New Territories was about to expire. It was a problem which needed to be raised and addressed. Deng told him in no uncertain terms that China would resume administration of HK in 1997, but that HK would be granted special freedoms and privileges to preserve its capitalist way of life and that HK's investors should put their minds at ease. Sir Murray's proposal that the lease be extended was flatly turned down. Deng said it was non-negotiable. Sir Murray came back to HK and told the people a half-truth. He said that Deng has advised investors in HK to put their minds at ease. Meanwhile, he went to Whitehall with the bad news and discussed with the Foreign Office what they should do with the 3 million odd British subjects who held British Dependent Territory passports but had not applied for right of abode in Britain. They decided to plug all legal loopholes and effectively slam the gates shut on their faces. In 1981, the British Nationality Act was tabled at the British Parliament. Some Hong Kong people cried foul and said that the Act was aimed at depriving all Hong Kong British subjects of their right to apply to be 'full' British citizens, carrying with it the right of abode. Britain strongly denied this. A propaganda campaign was then started to allay fears. It's all aimed at the Africans and the West Indians whose countries have since acquired independence and have conferred citizenship on these former British subjects, it was said. Hong Kong swallowed it hook, line and sinker. In 1982, Maggie Thatcher went to Beijing for formal negotiations with Beijing over HK's future. The timing of the visit was significant. The Act had just been passed. 3 million odd British subjects were in limbo, holding British 'passports' which were mere travel documents, no better than Mickey Mouse passes issued by Disneyland. Last edited by tinybear; Jun 23, 2005 at 03:26 pm.

Jun 23, 2005, 03:18 pm	#120 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,609	Thank you. Of course, I could've got the exact same lecture from my parents. Yes, I just wasted 5 seconds of your life and I'm not giving it back. Ever. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before