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**Matt W** · May 30, 2005, 01:05 pm

You also haven't exactly allowed alot of time for Americans to post on here, tb - I mean, most of the members tend to lurk around on here around 1900 GMT or later....which I seem to recall being 1300 EST or summat??

Cephus · May 30, 2005, 01:33 pm

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Where do you draw the line? Would you feel any different if the boy were 12? A line has to be drawn at some place. Like it or not the law drew the line at 18 and the law has to be obeyed.

Exactly. There is an established point for this kind of thing where, on one side of the line it's legal and on the other it's illegal. This point doesn't change from person to person so it is obvious that the mother was in the wrong and deserved to be punished.

Cephus · May 30, 2005, 01:36 pm

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In contrast, someone under 21 cannot drink alcohol in public.(restaurants) UNLESS a parent is present.

Actually, someone under 21 cannot drink alcohol in public places *AT ALL* in most states, regardless of the presence of a parent. A case can be made for abuse if a parent allows a minor child to consume alcohol in private as well.

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Also, in some states an underage child can marry an adult or a contemporary with the parents consent.

I think this is true in most states, but other than Rhode Island, where I think the legal limit is 13, due to the laws never being changed, I don't think anyone can get married younger than 16, even with parental consent.

fedfem · May 30, 2005, 02:37 pm

Minors cannot purchase but they can drink. Regardless, I personally do not see anything wrong with the parents hiring a stripper for a 16 yo boy's bday party. Charging the stripper with a crime is ridiculous since she was hired by the parents not the teen.

I am sure the charges will be dropped and the parents will be acquitted but the fact they indicted her is silly and a waste of tax dollars.

**Chris** · May 30, 2005, 03:20 pm

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Hey, is it true in some US states, the legal age for shagging is actually 18? 0_o

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Why do you ask Pooey?

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Because it seems unbelievable and shortsighted? Do you know the answer, tb?

Explain this to me...

But the legal sge of consent is 18, no if ands or butts about it. So anyone older than 18 cannot have sex with someone younger than 18 lest they be charged with Statutory rape of a minor. This is well known. I know in the UK the age of consent is 16.

just different laws thats all.

Starboy · May 30, 2005, 03:34 pm

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It's OK if it's Mom's boobs, right? I think there must be a law on that topic somewhere. Any lawyers here wish to comment?

So if the momma had paraded her boobs in front of her son that would have been alright?

It is kinda funny. Apparently people think that a young willing female parading her boobs in front of a 16 year old male will scar the poor boy for life but if the momma does it the kid will be just fine?

Starboy

tinybear · May 30, 2005, 04:23 pm

Yeah. There's this fiction that you can't ever be scarred by Mom. :)

G. Adams · May 30, 2005, 07:34 pm

I don't see what the problem is. Unless this stripper whipped out a bag of toys, you can see just as much flesh on a beach and just as much sexuality on the dancefloor. No actually, more on the dancefloor, because although I don't know the details of this case, I very much doubt the stripper was grinding her arse into his crotch.

Big deal, a pair of tits and some sexy dancing. It's probably the best thing they could have done. You know that if your parents get you a stripper, they now think of you as an adult, not a kid, and he's more likely to rise to the responsibility. He probably feels much more free to talk to his parents, after seeing a strip show with your parents, esp. your mother, you aint gonna be embarrassed about much anymore.

Cephus · May 30, 2005, 07:39 pm

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Regardless, I personally do not see anything wrong with the parents hiring a stripper for a 16 yo boy's bday party. Charging the stripper with a crime is ridiculous since she was hired by the parents not the teen.

Strippers cannot, by law, strip in front of someone under the age of 18 (or whatever legally adult is in the area), period. If she did, she was commiting a crime.

fedfem · May 30, 2005, 07:46 pm

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Strippers cannot, by law, strip in front of someone under the age of 18 (or whatever legally adult is in the area), period. If she did, she was commiting a crime.

Show me the law.

fedfem · May 30, 2005, 07:49 pm

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I don't see what the problem is. Unless this stripper whipped out a bag of toys, you can see just as much flesh on a beach and just as much sexuality on the dancefloor. No actually, more on the dancefloor, because although I don't know the details of this case, I very much doubt the stripper was grinding her arse into his crotch.

Big deal, a pair of tits and some sexy dancing. It's probably the best thing they could have done. You know that if your parents get you a stripper, they now think of you as an adult, not a kid, and he's more likely to rise to the responsibility. He probably feels much more free to talk to his parents, after seeing a strip show with your parents, esp. your mother, you aint gonna be embarrassed about much anymore.

I agree. My son had his 14yo bday party at a restaurant with waitresses known for their boobies. Healthy stuff and it does help to keep the lines of communication open.

Of course I got a call from a few moms who thought it was immoral but hey...little did they know their kids were already sexually active.

Starboy · May 30, 2005, 08:03 pm

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Big deal, a pair of tits and some sexy dancing. It's probably the best thing they could have done. You know that if your parents get you a stripper, they now think of you as an adult, not a kid, and he's more likely to rise to the responsibility. He probably feels much more free to talk to his parents, after seeing a strip show with your parents, esp. your mother, you aint gonna be embarrassed about much anymore.

Makes you think that there are still people out there that think that sex is not even proper for adults.

Starboy

fedfem · May 30, 2005, 08:08 pm

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Makes you think that there are still people out there that think that sex is not even proper for adults.

Starboy

They most likely got their biology/science from the bible.

**Chris the Chees** · May 30, 2005, 08:12 pm

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Where do you draw the line? Would you feel any different if the boy were 12? A line has to be drawn at some place. Like it or not the law drew the line at 18 and the law has to be obeyed.

Which is ridiculous, in the UK, the limit is a far more reasonable 16.

G. Adams · May 31, 2005, 02:36 pm

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Which is ridiculous, in the UK, the limit is a far more reasonable 16.

And more importantly, it is highly, highly unlikely the state will ever charge someone with underage sex providing the age gap is reasonable. Which is correct, if they were following the line exactly I'd suggest dropping the limit to 13.

Lou Minotti · May 31, 2005, 02:50 pm

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Stripping is base and demeaning, both to the stripper and the viewers. Subjecting a young man to that kind of stimulation is no different than if he were publicly groped by an adult woman. The parents definately showed poor judgment. Crime? Well, without knowing more it's hard to say. If he were only a year or two younger it might be considered child abuse...

To a fascist control freak, maybe. Mind your business. This is America. Sorry... :rolleyes:

May 30, 2005, 01:05 pm	#21 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 7,206	You also haven't exactly allowed alot of time for Americans to post on here, tb - I mean, most of the members tend to lurk around on here around 1900 GMT or later....which I seem to recall being 1300 EST or summat?? I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

May 30, 2005, 07:34 pm	#28 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,174	I don't see what the problem is. Unless this stripper whipped out a bag of toys, you can see just as much flesh on a beach and just as much sexuality on the dancefloor. No actually, more on the dancefloor, because although I don't know the details of this case, I very much doubt the stripper was grinding her arse into his crotch. Big deal, a pair of tits and some sexy dancing. It's probably the best thing they could have done. You know that if your parents get you a stripper, they now think of you as an adult, not a kid, and he's more likely to rise to the responsibility. He probably feels much more free to talk to his parents, after seeing a strip show with your parents, esp. your mother, you aint gonna be embarrassed about much anymore. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

May 30, 2005, 02:37 pm	#24 (permalink) (top)
fedfem Igneous Magma Location: Northeastern, USA Posts: 606	Minors cannot purchase but they can drink. Regardless, I personally do not see anything wrong with the parents hiring a stripper for a 16 yo boy's bday party. Charging the stripper with a crime is ridiculous since she was hired by the parents not the teen. I am sure the charges will be dropped and the parents will be acquitted but the fact they indicted her is silly and a waste of tax dollars.

May 30, 2005, 04:23 pm	#27 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 7,334	Yeah. There's this fiction that you can't ever be scarred by Mom. :)