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Milton Bradley · May 20, 2005, 09:58 pm

Molly Ivins, appearing on NOW tonight, made a particularly astute (in my opinion) observation.

She pointed out the Neo Con tactic (which should seem obvious to most now that it has been articulated) of claiming they are powerless in the Halls of Power because they are being persecuted for being Christians.

It does seem to me that this may even run deeper that she states. I think they just might be masquerading as Christians, just so they can play the discrimination card at will. Literally coming in the name of the Lord, only to gobble up the flock, so to speak.

Does anybody else out there see this pattern in their behavior lately?

Dieval · May 20, 2005, 10:44 pm

So you're saying that Christians aren't be discriminated agains these days?

Milton Bradley · May 20, 2005, 10:53 pm

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So you're saying that Christians aren't be discriminated agains these days?

Not at all.

I just think its a convenient, catch all, nevermind what we are doing, circle around the point, and not answer the question, tactic that they are all to willing to use at every opportunity.

In other words, I see a pattern developing. Its the new trump card, one step above the race card.

Gorgo · May 21, 2005, 08:10 am

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So you're saying that Christians aren't be discriminated agains these days?

Are you saying that they are?

This was news to me, so I looked this up on the web and found anarticle by David Limbaugh. All it does is say that because Christianity cannot impose it's ideas on others, that means that they are persecuted. That is, of course, ridiculous. Is this what you mean, Dieval?

Prometheus · May 21, 2005, 11:05 am

I think people who are constantly looking for a reason why they are discriminated against would be better served looking for the reason why they suck so badly at life that they need to come up with lame, prepackaged excuses for ther abject failure at existance.

Dieval · May 22, 2005, 07:11 pm

Lets take Christmas....a holiday that everyone used to enjoy. Decorations, Christmas Vacation, etc, etc, etc....now, you can't even use the C word durring winter time or you'll be convicted of not being sypathetic to some other group....

Prometheus · May 22, 2005, 07:22 pm

I like those people - they are so excruciatingly fun to antagonise!

gr8fuldaniel · May 22, 2005, 08:49 pm

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Lets take Christmas

Was it the christians who started the Santa Claus lie?

Samildanach · May 23, 2005, 07:44 am

what do you mean Santa Claus......lie............ :eek:

Gorgo · May 23, 2005, 08:22 am

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now, you can't even use the C word durring

Where does this happen? From what I can see, Christmas is just an excuse for theists to ram religion down my throat. It seems that religious music is the only music schools can find in the winter.

Prometheus · May 23, 2005, 10:45 am

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From what I can see, Christmas is just an excuse for theists to ram religion down my throat

I hope you are smart enought to know that that is bullshit. Christmas was started when everyone was christian. Christwas was just to celebrate a part of a societies religious beleif. Now christmas is a capatalistic celebration driven by marketing. Christmas never was and is not for the purpose of "shoving it" down you throught any more than kwanza or haaunakah (sic).

RickSp · May 23, 2005, 11:12 am

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So you're saying that Christians aren't be discriminated agains these days?

Basically your argument, if one could call it that, is that because Christians do not have complete power over every aspect of society they are being persecuted? Oh the horror.

Nothing more ridiculous than when the powerful claim to be the victims.

Prometheus · May 23, 2005, 11:19 am

Will people quit bitching about discrimination? Grow up and live your bloody life. You don't have to totally controll the government to get your rights, and you sure as hell don't have to tell people how they have to live their lives.

RickSp · May 23, 2005, 12:49 pm

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Will people quit bitching about discrimination? Grow up and live your bloody life. You don't have to totally controll the government to get your rights, and you sure as hell don't have to tell people how they have to live their lives.

Are you ranting to anyone in particular, or merely those assembled?

Prometheus · May 23, 2005, 01:06 pm

I am ranting at those asembled who continue to bemoan how one religious group or another is discriminated against. It happens - people treat other people like crap for no good reason. Unfortunately that's life, and no amount of legislation or politically-correct activism will change that.

Many Christians feel like they are being put upon by those who don't want to hear about christmas. Many atheists think they are going to melt if they hear a prayer. Many christians think the sky will fall if they hear an atheist teacher. Some people like me just practice my religion in peace and neither tell others what to do, or moan that we are being discriminated against. And this is coming from the practicer of a faith that was shafted out of constitutional rights and driven out of their homes in the dead of winter.

Gorgo · May 24, 2005, 03:27 am

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Many atheists think they are going to melt if they hear a prayer.

I don't think so. The problem isn't hearing prayers. There are enough churches and religious TV shows and religious organizations to choke a pope and I don't care. I don't like to see religious people waste so much money and time and energy, but that's their business. The problem comes when they use the government to promote their nonsense. That's a problem.

Gorgo · May 24, 2005, 03:29 am

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Christmas was started when everyone was christian.

You seem to be agreeing with me here.

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Now christmas is a capatalistic celebration driven by marketing.

And here.

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Christmas never was and is not for the purpose of "shoving it" down you throught any more than kwanza or haaunakah (sic).

You seem to be doing both here.

Prometheus · May 24, 2005, 08:50 am

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You seem to be doing both here.

You sure have an interesting definition of "shoving religion down your throught". I am posting on a forum that you read voluntarily. And even then, I am just expressing an opinion - not telling you what to do.

I think you are a little but paranoid with an enormous chip on your shoulder.

Gorgo · May 24, 2005, 08:54 am

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I am posting on a forum that you read voluntarily.

Sorry, what I meant to say is that you seem to be both agreeing and disagreeing. Not sure which, and not sure what you thought I meant and not sure why you think that's a sign of a chip on a shoulder.

gr8fuldaniel · May 24, 2005, 11:12 am

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what do you mean Santa Claus......lie............ :eek:

I hate to be the one to break it to you.......there is no Sant Claus. It a myth. I heard somewhere it was a myth started by Coca Cola. To sell sugar water.

May 20, 2005, 09:58 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Milton Bradley BANNED Location: Ohio Province, Rep. of Comerica Posts: 7,320	Molly Ivins' Prophetic Jab Molly Ivins, appearing on NOW tonight, made a particularly astute (in my opinion) observation. She pointed out the Neo Con tactic (which should seem obvious to most now that it has been articulated) of claiming they are powerless in the Halls of Power because they are being persecuted for being Christians. It does seem to me that this may even run deeper that she states. I think they just might be masquerading as Christians, just so they can play the discrimination card at will. Literally coming in the name of the Lord, only to gobble up the flock, so to speak. Does anybody else out there see this pattern in their behavior lately?

May 20, 2005, 10:44 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Dieval Right of Center Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,759	So you're saying that Christians aren't be discriminated agains these days? "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill

May 21, 2005, 11:05 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
Prometheus Glad to be back! Location: Vernal, UT Posts: 1,725	I think people who are constantly looking for a reason why they are discriminated against would be better served looking for the reason why they suck so badly at life that they need to come up with lame, prepackaged excuses for ther abject failure at existance. Fixed ideas are like a cramp in the foot - the best remedy against it is to tread on it. -Søren Kierkegaard

May 22, 2005, 07:11 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Dieval Right of Center Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,759	Lets take Christmas....a holiday that everyone used to enjoy. Decorations, Christmas Vacation, etc, etc, etc....now, you can't even use the C word durring winter time or you'll be convicted of not being sypathetic to some other group.... "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill

May 22, 2005, 07:22 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Prometheus Glad to be back! Location: Vernal, UT Posts: 1,725	I like those people - they are so excruciatingly fun to antagonise! Fixed ideas are like a cramp in the foot - the best remedy against it is to tread on it. -Søren Kierkegaard

May 23, 2005, 07:44 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Samildanach Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979	what do you mean Santa Claus......lie............ :eek: I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway)

May 23, 2005, 11:19 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
Prometheus Glad to be back! Location: Vernal, UT Posts: 1,725	Will people quit bitching about discrimination? Grow up and live your bloody life. You don't have to totally controll the government to get your rights, and you sure as hell don't have to tell people how they have to live their lives. Fixed ideas are like a cramp in the foot - the best remedy against it is to tread on it. -Søren Kierkegaard

May 23, 2005, 01:06 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
Prometheus Glad to be back! Location: Vernal, UT Posts: 1,725	I am ranting at those asembled who continue to bemoan how one religious group or another is discriminated against. It happens - people treat other people like crap for no good reason. Unfortunately that's life, and no amount of legislation or politically-correct activism will change that. Many Christians feel like they are being put upon by those who don't want to hear about christmas. Many atheists think they are going to melt if they hear a prayer. Many christians think the sky will fall if they hear an atheist teacher. Some people like me just practice my religion in peace and neither tell others what to do, or moan that we are being discriminated against. And this is coming from the practicer of a faith that was shafted out of constitutional rights and driven out of their homes in the dead of winter. Fixed ideas are like a cramp in the foot - the best remedy against it is to tread on it. -Søren Kierkegaard