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joegvb · Feb 12, 2004, 12:13 pm

Will this Breaking news of the Kerry and intern scandal turn the tide of the democratic nominations? Will Kerry take the heat for this and try to lie about as fellow Democrat Bill Clinton did? Lets here from both Republicans And Democrats. The Democrats are begining to crumble and this is only the beginning.

Also is this the reason Dean Decided to stay in the race after Wis. Is Edwards or Dean now going to take over the race or will Kerry prevail despite this.

OR is this a Clinton hit?

JOE
edit:
Bye the way Drudge Report is the only one reporting about this right now, the rest of the media is racing for whoever can get it out next.

This could turn the tide of the democratic campaign!

This proves how screwed up the Democrats are.
edit:
This just in:

World Net Dialy now reporting on the Scandal

This could get interesting

RUSH AND NEAL BORTZ REPORTING ON IT AS WELL!

RebelWithanAK · Feb 12, 2004, 12:24 pm

I would hardly call the Drudge Report, World Net Daily, and Rush Limbaugh anything more than yellow journalism at its yellowist. Do you often read these tabloids?

**Sean** · Feb 12, 2004, 12:26 pm

Rebel makes a good point too...are those really sources we want to go on?

Also, in my opinion you're topic is rather bland. The "intern scandal", and Clinton's lie are nothing compared to what the current administration has to hopefully come to terms with. We have Bush admitting that he was wrong on his 100% guarantee that he would find WMD, we have him missing in action during his National Guard years (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselection...146191,00.html), and the list goes on.

The difference between the lies of the current administration, and the one's you gave examples of are simple. Clinton lying about a blow job really doesn't change the way the country functions. Lying (or as the say..being miss-informed) about a reason for war and sending off people to die is another thing.

You want to hear "both democrats and republicans", but you've attempted to insult the people who back the party numerous times in such a small thread.

joegvb · Feb 12, 2004, 12:31 pm

come on sean this is breaking news and is this not a heated debate place? how can you not say this is a bland topic and to you RebelWithanAK screw you for saying DR WND AND RUSH yellow journalism who do you read. Is drudge report not the one who broke the case on Monica and the other intern that was killed.

Yellow journalism my foot. This is hard nosed news just accept the facts man. Matt Drudge is not going to report false news.

And Sean This is going to be a hot topic,just get on board with it. Yes all of the issues you stated are hot news as well but hey this is breaking news. And yes Sean these are vailid news reports if they were not people would read them as much as they do and no the heck there not tabloids.

98.4% accruate is the drudge report and how does that compare to ABC NBC CBC OR FOX ---IT DOES NOT!

Come to your senses!

All the true republicans need to support me in this issue.

JOE

RebelWithanAK · Feb 12, 2004, 12:41 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (joegvb,)
Matt Drudge is not going to report false news.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>...

*snrk*

*hnfhnfhnf*

...

BWAH HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHAHAAAAA, AAAH HA HA HA HA HA HAHAHAAAA, HAHAHAHAHAAA *gasp, gasp* HA HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahaha, hee hee hee hee *clutches sides* Oooh, hahahaha! Oh, that's too funny! Oh, I can't *snrk* stop laughing! Man, you're too much. Hee hee! =]

**Sean** · Feb 12, 2004, 12:43 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (joegvb,)
98.4% accruate is the drudge report and how does that compare to ABC NBC CBC OR FOX ---IT DOES NOT!

Come to your senses!
<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Boy I wish I had those senses..you can actually gauge accuracy...it's like Listerine saying it can kill 99.9% of the germs...

RebelWithanAK · Feb 12, 2004, 01:06 pm

Yeah, that's a trademark, buddy!

joegvb · Feb 12, 2004, 01:25 pm

sounds to me that you guys are both democrats and dont want to own up that your parties number one canidate has just been hastled with. You guys are going to cry when the big media projections start to announce this. I have got a quick question will you believe this when ABC NBC CBS FOX NEWS reports this or will you not just believe this at all. This is an attack by another democrat on a democrat. Wesley Clark was quoted in saying "Kerry will implode over an intern issue." [Three reporters in attendance confirm Clark made the startling comments.] So obliviously its an internal problem within the party not rebuplicans trying to mess with Kerry.

So when the other presses come out with the story will you finnaly come to your senses?

Yellow Journlism - that really has got me P.O. mister RebelWithanAK and i dont get P.O. very easliy. i am going to bet that the other media comes out and talks about this and then my friend you will have to eat your words about Matt Drudge being a yellow journilist. RebelWithanAK you are a liberal with a fat mouth that is about to be shut once your fat party falls apart.

And oh i have not forgot about you Sean you no better that RebelWithanAK and your both liberals. Hope you come to realize that your party leader John Kerry has just had some bad publicity pulled over him and either he faces the music or he will pull a clinton and lie or just not talk about it.

Bye the way Breaking news all of the big media producers are chasing the story down to get the news out. So appaerntly this is a true story but maybe i am wrong but i doubt it.

more from me later

JOE

Feb 12, 2004, 02:11 pm

Joe, Drudge report is not a very trustworth source. When more trustworthy sources start verifying this information, then I'd be a little more inclined to pay attention. However, at the moment this is a fairly unsubstantiated claim (likely put out by the Republican smear machine against Kerry).

joegvb · Feb 12, 2004, 04:03 pm

hence elias, there you are wrong on two accounts the republicans did not release this hot tidbit but your own fellow democrat Wesley Clark did to a group of reporters. Look at the quote above by him. On the other account DRUDGE REPORT is 98.4% accurate more accruate than any other leading media company.

And one more thing if you wanna believe all the democrats lies and the crap they put out i dont want to here it and untill the country starts letting people like Clinton and now Kerry get away with messing around with interns dont OPEN YOUR PEEP WHOLE. GOT IT WIMPS!

Put that in your corn pipe and smoke it you democrats and liberals!

RebelWithanAK · Feb 12, 2004, 04:53 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (joegvb)
...DRUDGE REPORT is 98.4% accurate...<hr size="1" /></blockquote>That is a trademark. You know what a trademark is? A trademark is a motto meant to elicit business. It is not real. Companies use "marvelous, excellent, kills bugs dead, better than the competitors" as trademarks, not statements of fact. That way, they cannot be sued for false advertising. Get it?

joegvb · Feb 12, 2004, 05:15 pm

This is not what was done havent you read what i posted.

I told you to shut up

and this is sure as heck not a trademark you jack moe.

more from me later'

A very P.O. Joe

Paavo · Feb 12, 2004, 07:32 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (joegvb,)

I told you to shut up
<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Hahahahah... Who the hell are you to tell anyone to shut up on a public forum?

joegvb · Feb 12, 2004, 07:43 pm

In all sincerity, would someone please explain to me why democrats seem to fall for the candidates with the most questionable morals? Just look back over the last decade; Bill and the Intern, Gary and the Intern, John (Kerry) and the Intern. It sounds like a host of "B" movies.

I'd like someone to give me an answer and not just bash a republican to present a smoke screan. Any takers??

Major Billy · Feb 12, 2004, 07:47 pm

Certainly. Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, Mike Dukakis.

joegvb · Feb 12, 2004, 08:06 pm

So you are telling me that Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, and Mike Dukakis are the reasons that democrats tend to vote for candidates with questionable morals? I'm not sure I understand this as an answer to my question unless your assertion is that they were such poor leaders that the party had to do something drastic.

Any body else have any ideas? Certainly this can't be correct.

m5lange1 · Feb 12, 2004, 08:13 pm

I am not a democrat Joe,

Therefore I hope you will take a moment and think about what I am about to ask you. I do not care if you respond to it but I do think it might do you some good if you answered it honestly to yourself.

I saw on another of your posts how angry you were with the questioning of President Bush's National Guard records yet you are jumping on a potential scandal against Kerry like it was something you saw yourself.

Answer honestly,,, if only to yourself,,,,,

If it were Kerry who had rumors about being AWOL for a week circulating and GW who just had... oh say the LA times.... breaking a story about having some tawdry affair how would your posts differ?

As I have posted elsewhere. Things are right or wrong according to whether they were done or not, not who did them.

Paavo · Feb 12, 2004, 08:18 pm

It's funny how you go on about morals, joegvb.
You stick up for a guy who has obviously been lying in order to get a war going. A guy who's regime is filled with millionaires, who send young people into war, and at the same time cut the earlier war veterans' benefits.
And at the same time attack the morals of people who have taken a blowjob by someone who isn't their wife. I couldn't find anything on this "scandal" on BBC or CNN, maybe it'll pop up there in a while.

joegvb · Feb 12, 2004, 08:25 pm

As I suspected, these two folks have to bash a Republican to respond. Is there not anyonw who can answer my original question candidly? For anyone who may have lost track, let me re-post my original question.

"In all sincerity, would someone please explain to me why democrats seem to fall for the candidates with the most questionable morals? Just look back over the last decade; Bill and the Intern, Gary and the Intern, John (Kerry) and the Intern. It sounds like a host of "B" movies.

I'd like someone to give me an answer and not just bash a republican to present a smoke screan. Any takers??"

m5lange1 · Feb 12, 2004, 08:44 pm

WOW am I one of the two folks who just bashed a Republican? I just re read my post and do not see any bashing. I just asked a question.

OK Joe here is your candid answer. Democrats do NOT fall for candidates with more questionable morals.
It seems pretty obvious that you read and hear exactly what you want to and ignore everything else. EVERY candidate who goes for, let alone is elected to, that high an office in a two party system is going to have every bit of mud the other side can dig up thrown at them.
You choose to revel in the trash about democrats and if anyone DARES to say anything about a republican candidate you totally ignore it as bashing.

Its all bashing Joe. And it sickens me but it sickens me even more when people ONLY see it on the other side.

So the answer is: Almost everyone has some skellitons in the closet, particularly among the powerful and successful as presidential candidates are. It is not just democrats. But you choose to only believe what is said about democrats and call any stories about republicans bashing so you will never have your question answered.

Feb 12, 2004, 12:13 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
joegvb Molten Ash Location: Somewhere (as we all are) Posts: 39	Will this Breaking news of the Kerry and intern scandal turn the tide of the democratic nominations? Will Kerry take the heat for this and try to lie about as fellow Democrat Bill Clinton did? Lets here from both Republicans And Democrats. The Democrats are begining to crumble and this is only the beginning. Also is this the reason Dean Decided to stay in the race after Wis. Is Edwards or Dean now going to take over the race or will Kerry prevail despite this. OR is this a Clinton hit? JOE edit: Bye the way Drudge Report is the only one reporting about this right now, the rest of the media is racing for whoever can get it out next. This could turn the tide of the democratic campaign! This proves how screwed up the Democrats are. edit: This just in: World Net Dialy now reporting on the Scandal This could get interesting RUSH AND NEAL BORTZ REPORTING ON IT AS WELL! Those Who Admit Defeat and Failure are Unfit to Command.

Feb 12, 2004, 12:24 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	I would hardly call the Drudge Report, World Net Daily, and Rush Limbaugh anything more than yellow journalism at its yellowist. Do you often read these tabloids? . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Feb 12, 2004, 12:26 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Sean former overlord Location: New York Posts: 2,383	Rebel makes a good point too...are those really sources we want to go on? Also, in my opinion you're topic is rather bland. The "intern scandal", and Clinton's lie are nothing compared to what the current administration has to hopefully come to terms with. We have Bush admitting that he was wrong on his 100% guarantee that he would find WMD, we have him missing in action during his National Guard years (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselection...146191,00.html), and the list goes on. The difference between the lies of the current administration, and the one's you gave examples of are simple. Clinton lying about a blow job really doesn't change the way the country functions. Lying (or as the say..being miss-informed) about a reason for war and sending off people to die is another thing. You want to hear "both democrats and republicans", but you've attempted to insult the people who back the party numerous times in such a small thread. So it goes

Feb 12, 2004, 12:31 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
joegvb Molten Ash Location: Somewhere (as we all are) Posts: 39	come on sean this is breaking news and is this not a heated debate place? how can you not say this is a bland topic and to you RebelWithanAK screw you for saying DR WND AND RUSH yellow journalism who do you read. Is drudge report not the one who broke the case on Monica and the other intern that was killed. Yellow journalism my foot. This is hard nosed news just accept the facts man. Matt Drudge is not going to report false news. And Sean This is going to be a hot topic,just get on board with it. Yes all of the issues you stated are hot news as well but hey this is breaking news. And yes Sean these are vailid news reports if they were not people would read them as much as they do and no the heck there not tabloids. 98.4% accruate is the drudge report and how does that compare to ABC NBC CBC OR FOX ---IT DOES NOT! Come to your senses! All the true republicans need to support me in this issue. JOE Those Who Admit Defeat and Failure are Unfit to Command.

Feb 12, 2004, 12:41 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (joegvb,) Matt Drudge is not going to report false news.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>... snrk hnfhnfhnf ... BWAH HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHAHAAAAA, AAAH HA HA HA HA HA HAHAHAAAA, HAHAHAHAHAAA gasp, gasp HA HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahaha, hee hee hee hee clutches sides Oooh, hahahaha! Oh, that's too funny! Oh, I can't snrk stop laughing! Man, you're too much. Hee hee! =] . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Feb 12, 2004, 12:43 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Sean former overlord Location: New York Posts: 2,383	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (joegvb,) 98.4% accruate is the drudge report and how does that compare to ABC NBC CBC OR FOX ---IT DOES NOT! Come to your senses! <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Boy I wish I had those senses..you can actually gauge accuracy...it's like Listerine saying it can kill 99.9% of the germs... So it goes

Feb 12, 2004, 01:06 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	Yeah, that's a trademark, buddy! . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Feb 12, 2004, 01:25 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
joegvb Molten Ash Location: Somewhere (as we all are) Posts: 39	sounds to me that you guys are both democrats and dont want to own up that your parties number one canidate has just been hastled with. You guys are going to cry when the big media projections start to announce this. I have got a quick question will you believe this when ABC NBC CBS FOX NEWS reports this or will you not just believe this at all. This is an attack by another democrat on a democrat. Wesley Clark was quoted in saying "Kerry will implode over an intern issue." [Three reporters in attendance confirm Clark made the startling comments.] So obliviously its an internal problem within the party not rebuplicans trying to mess with Kerry. So when the other presses come out with the story will you finnaly come to your senses? Yellow Journlism - that really has got me P.O. mister RebelWithanAK and i dont get P.O. very easliy. i am going to bet that the other media comes out and talks about this and then my friend you will have to eat your words about Matt Drudge being a yellow journilist. RebelWithanAK you are a liberal with a fat mouth that is about to be shut once your fat party falls apart. And oh i have not forgot about you Sean you no better that RebelWithanAK and your both liberals. Hope you come to realize that your party leader John Kerry has just had some bad publicity pulled over him and either he faces the music or he will pull a clinton and lie or just not talk about it. Bye the way Breaking news all of the big media producers are chasing the story down to get the news out. So appaerntly this is a true story but maybe i am wrong but i doubt it. more from me later JOE Those Who Admit Defeat and Failure are Unfit to Command.

Feb 12, 2004, 02:11 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Elias Guest Posts: n/a	Joe, Drudge report is not a very trustworth source. When more trustworthy sources start verifying this information, then I'd be a little more inclined to pay attention. However, at the moment this is a fairly unsubstantiated claim (likely put out by the Republican smear machine against Kerry).

Feb 12, 2004, 04:03 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
joegvb Molten Ash Location: Somewhere (as we all are) Posts: 39	hence elias, there you are wrong on two accounts the republicans did not release this hot tidbit but your own fellow democrat Wesley Clark did to a group of reporters. Look at the quote above by him. On the other account DRUDGE REPORT is 98.4% accurate more accruate than any other leading media company. And one more thing if you wanna believe all the democrats lies and the crap they put out i dont want to here it and untill the country starts letting people like Clinton and now Kerry get away with messing around with interns dont OPEN YOUR PEEP WHOLE. GOT IT WIMPS! Put that in your corn pipe and smoke it you democrats and liberals! Those Who Admit Defeat and Failure are Unfit to Command.

Feb 12, 2004, 04:53 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (joegvb) ...DRUDGE REPORT is 98.4% accurate...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>That is a trademark. You know what a trademark is? A trademark is a motto meant to elicit business. It is not real. Companies use "marvelous, excellent, kills bugs dead, better than the competitors" as trademarks, not statements of fact. That way, they cannot be sued for false advertising. Get it? . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Feb 12, 2004, 05:15 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
joegvb Molten Ash Location: Somewhere (as we all are) Posts: 39	This is not what was done havent you read what i posted. I told you to shut up and this is sure as heck not a trademark you jack moe. more from me later' A very P.O. Joe Those Who Admit Defeat and Failure are Unfit to Command.

Feb 12, 2004, 07:32 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
Paavo Location: Finland Posts: 712	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (joegvb,) I told you to shut up <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Hahahahah... Who the hell are you to tell anyone to shut up on a public forum?

Feb 12, 2004, 07:43 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
joegvb Molten Ash Location: Somewhere (as we all are) Posts: 39	In all sincerity, would someone please explain to me why democrats seem to fall for the candidates with the most questionable morals? Just look back over the last decade; Bill and the Intern, Gary and the Intern, John (Kerry) and the Intern. It sounds like a host of "B" movies. I'd like someone to give me an answer and not just bash a republican to present a smoke screan. Any takers?? Those Who Admit Defeat and Failure are Unfit to Command.

Feb 12, 2004, 07:47 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
Major Billy Molten Ash Posts: 90	Certainly. Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, Mike Dukakis. >>>--~(ô¿ô)~--->

Feb 12, 2004, 08:06 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
joegvb Molten Ash Location: Somewhere (as we all are) Posts: 39	So you are telling me that Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, and Mike Dukakis are the reasons that democrats tend to vote for candidates with questionable morals? I'm not sure I understand this as an answer to my question unless your assertion is that they were such poor leaders that the party had to do something drastic. Any body else have any ideas? Certainly this can't be correct. Those Who Admit Defeat and Failure are Unfit to Command.

Feb 12, 2004, 08:13 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
m5lange1 Igneous Magma Posts: 649	I am not a democrat Joe, Therefore I hope you will take a moment and think about what I am about to ask you. I do not care if you respond to it but I do think it might do you some good if you answered it honestly to yourself. I saw on another of your posts how angry you were with the questioning of President Bush's National Guard records yet you are jumping on a potential scandal against Kerry like it was something you saw yourself. Answer honestly,,, if only to yourself,,,,, If it were Kerry who had rumors about being AWOL for a week circulating and GW who just had... oh say the LA times.... breaking a story about having some tawdry affair how would your posts differ? As I have posted elsewhere. Things are right or wrong according to whether they were done or not, not who did them. Protester against the culture war!!!!

Feb 12, 2004, 08:18 pm	#18 (permalink) (top)
Paavo Location: Finland Posts: 712	It's funny how you go on about morals, joegvb. You stick up for a guy who has obviously been lying in order to get a war going. A guy who's regime is filled with millionaires, who send young people into war, and at the same time cut the earlier war veterans' benefits. And at the same time attack the morals of people who have taken a blowjob by someone who isn't their wife. I couldn't find anything on this "scandal" on BBC or CNN, maybe it'll pop up there in a while.

Feb 12, 2004, 08:25 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
joegvb Molten Ash Location: Somewhere (as we all are) Posts: 39	As I suspected, these two folks have to bash a Republican to respond. Is there not anyonw who can answer my original question candidly? For anyone who may have lost track, let me re-post my original question. "In all sincerity, would someone please explain to me why democrats seem to fall for the candidates with the most questionable morals? Just look back over the last decade; Bill and the Intern, Gary and the Intern, John (Kerry) and the Intern. It sounds like a host of "B" movies. I'd like someone to give me an answer and not just bash a republican to present a smoke screan. Any takers??" Those Who Admit Defeat and Failure are Unfit to Command.

Feb 12, 2004, 08:44 pm	#20 (permalink) (top)
m5lange1 Igneous Magma Posts: 649	WOW am I one of the two folks who just bashed a Republican? I just re read my post and do not see any bashing. I just asked a question. OK Joe here is your candid answer. Democrats do NOT fall for candidates with more questionable morals. It seems pretty obvious that you read and hear exactly what you want to and ignore everything else. EVERY candidate who goes for, let alone is elected to, that high an office in a two party system is going to have every bit of mud the other side can dig up thrown at them. You choose to revel in the trash about democrats and if anyone DARES to say anything about a republican candidate you totally ignore it as bashing. Its all bashing Joe. And it sickens me but it sickens me even more when people ONLY see it on the other side. So the answer is: Almost everyone has some skellitons in the closet, particularly among the powerful and successful as presidential candidates are. It is not just democrats. But you choose to only believe what is said about democrats and call any stories about republicans bashing so you will never have your question answered. Protester against the culture war!!!!