Gorgo and religious insults, call to arms

[Mr.Vicchio]

Look, I don't CARE if anyone disagrees with relion, That's thier gig. But this crap has gone on too long.


Check this thread:

http://www.volconvo.com/forums/showt...308#post118308


From Gorgo:

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio I would urge them to look to Jesus I wouldn't wish that little mental disorder on anyone.

Wouldn't you agree that's over the top? Accusing religious believers of suffering a mental disorder is an ATTACK, a personal insult. That's not debate, that's smug insults and it's time this shit ENDED.


One of the big reasons I was all for these forums was to help clean up Volconvo and clear away this BS. I have reported the abuse, am I wrong?

We gotta clear out these people, not because they have differing views, but because this is supposed to be a debate site, not a forum to make personal attacks on.

[Mia]

I really tire of those who are not religious finding the need to go off topic and attack those that do anytime one of us mentions it. I haven't seen many try to push it on others, so don't see the need to push their non-belief on us.

If religion is used as an argument, they could say 'well, I don't believe that way so it doesn't figure into my opinion on the matter' or something. It doesn't have to be an attack and/or the denial of religion being valid.

And since attacks are agaisnt the etiquette, a mod ought to do something. But some mods don't when they agree with the poster. Another thing that I don't like.

I'm not a mod and I have spoken against someone I agree with because they went against etiquette or didn't have a good argument, and I've defended those that I differ with because what they said was valid or they were being attacked unjustly. Mods certainly should be able to do that.

[rcne]

There are those who see themselves as mere collections of atoms in the chaos of the cosmos. They will never admit to a 'divine being'.

Then there are those who see the wonder of the 'divine' in everything. They will never admit that this cosmos isn't 'divine'.

This group consists of each, just as every other group consist of each. You can't dive them out just because they don't agree with your religious beliefs. Remember Starboy calling religion a lie?

Its a loop, don't let it effect you. Mods don't jump in all that much, unless it's a blatant continuous affair.

You walked into it Mr V, when you referred to Jesus. Gorgo couldn't resit a jab at your belief.

I don't think its that serious, if you do you can report it. Or did you?

[Mia]

Quote by: rcne You walked into it Mr V, when you referred to Jesus. Gorgo couldn't resit a jab at your belief. I don't think its that serious, if you do you can report it. Or did you?

Why did he walk into something? The topic in that portin of the thread was how we, as individuals, would handle it if it were our son. V mentioned his faith because that would be part of his reaction. I disagree with it, because I don't think Gays can choose and directing them to Jesus is shown not to work, but that's his belief.

Caling faith a 'mental disorder' is highly offensive. More so than an insult on political ideology or anything else. That is blasphemy to a believer and an insult on that level, to us, is unacceptable.

I can ignore insults besides this kind. But on a strong principal, I can't let a blasphemous statement stand.

We're supposed to refrain from personal attacks anyway. This level should never be allowed due to the effect on the recipient in these cases.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: rcne . You walked into it Mr V, when you referred to Jesus. Gorgo couldn't resit a jab at your belief. I don't think its that serious, if you do you can report it. Or did you?

First off, I reported it but obviously NOTHING was done.

Secondly, If that's the attitude of the Volconvo staff, I am gone.

Seriously. So anytime I refer to Jesus I have to suffer and accept an INSULT like this? "Mr.Vich what would you do if your Child was gay?"

"I would still lvoe them, and ask them to look to Jesus but never force them.."

"Insert insult agaisnt religion here"

Report the post...

Response? "Well you walked into it..."

I guess this is official word it's A-OK to insult people as long as they are believers and mention it.

Shall we call Volconvo a "Religion free zone" then?

[rcne]

I don't know what to say. An opinion that religion is a mental disorder is common. I didn't say it is right, just that many people have that opinion.

A mental jab at your view from Gorgo has happened before hasn't it?

I just don't see what or why it suddenly becomes these people.

We gotta clear out these people, not because they have differing views, but because this is supposed to be a debate site, not a forum to make personal attacks on.

Do you really consider Gorgo's comment to be blasphemy? I still don't know what to say, it wasn't blasphemy to me.

[Waychel]

I don't think that it is anything ban-worthy, but I agree that it was an uncalled for and rude remark. However, I should also note that we have all made similar jab from time to time towards "Lefties" on issues such as communism, for example. I'd say that instead of letting him know how much he gets to you, you should tell him that you are empathetic for his situation and hope that he could learn a little of the basic etiquette/values from Jesus that he obviously didn't learn from his mother -- that would piss him off! LOL!!!

I'm Atheist, but I can see a lot of the religious attacks going on and they do upset me. IMO, religion and spirituality should be respected by religious and non-religious alike for what it is: a personal thing. The ironic part is that many of the political philosophies that Gorgo likely adheres to originated as Christian concepts hundreds of years ago. Christianity is not without redeeming qualities considering how great of an influence it has had upon Western history, thinking and politics. I would think that even the most dogmatic of "Lefties" would be able to respect this.

[Mr.Vicchio]

rcne, yes, Gorgo insutls the religious all the time. Openly and nothing is done.

If this was the ONE incident, I WOUDLN'T be raising a fuss. It's the fact it's so.. common place.


Would I not get a warnign accusing Atheist of suffering a mental disorder? How about Gays? How about I start a thread claiming all Homosexuals suffer a mental disorder I wouldn't want inflicted on my children.

What do you think would happen?

So why is it okay if Gorgo does it, constantly?

[Waychel]

I'd have to take a look at the rules, but wasn't there a Russian guy who claimed that Jewish people weren't even human and gays were the spawn of the devil, etc.?

[rcne]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio rcne, yes, Gorgo insutls the religious all the time. Openly and nothing is done. If this was the ONE incident, I WOUDLN'T be raising a fuss. It's the fact it's so.. common place. Would I not get a warnign accusing Atheist of suffering a mental disorder? How about Gays? How about I start a thread claiming all Homosexuals suffer a mental disorder I wouldn't want inflicted on my children. What do you think would happen? So why is it okay if Gorgo does it, constantly?

You have just as much right to question his beliefs as he yours, or so I would assume.

I'll check the rules again to make sure, even then that's just my opinion - and you know how my opinions go.

There is a group of scientists now supporting the ID theory, which I find encouraging, even hard science can also believe.

[Mr.Vicchio]

I don't mind people questioning my beliefs, HELL I seek such. But insulting the religious is not how oyu question them. HE did not do so to "question" my beliefs, but to demean and insult them.

You know this, I know this, HE knows this.


There is a difference between respectful disagreement and heated debate, and insulting attacks.

[rcne]

The boiler room is a less moderated area, which may be where your new thread ends up.

But thats an if..

[Mr.Vicchio]

Ahh but his attacks and such on religoin USING THE SAME LOGIC are A-OK?

Adios man I am outta here. If One member can insult religious believers by calling thier beliefs a mental disorder, but I cannot state the homosexuality is a mental disorder.

Then there is no point in hanging around. I was wrong about Volconvo. I was hoping things wouold really change, that fair debate and treatement would break out.

Guess I was wrong.

It was fun, but I think this time, I AM gone. Give it a 90-10 chance of never seeing me post again.

[Mia]

V, Matt stepped in and chastised Gorgo for his remark. If he stared a thread that being religious is a mental disorder it would go to the boiler room.

It's over. Just let it lie unless he continues. Starting a flame-war won't help!

[Mr.Vicchio]

Matt did, now. I reported that post oh... 7 hours ago?

When rcne told me I shoudl report the post... I know what the mods see, every reported post ends up in thier forum, and since he didn't see my reported post....

What should I think?

[Mia]

I don't know which mod gets what reports. Maybe it went to Matt while he was offline? I don't know. At least it was taken care of. Many don't at all.

[Mr.Vicchio]

This is true, but, I am a hot headed italian and am ALLOWED to vent.

Adn I generally don't get really pissy unless I have jsut cause.

[Mr.Vicchio]

No, the purpose was to contrast the two ideas and your reaction to them. You would fear it if your children did something as normal as being homosexual, but you would inflict them with irrational fantasies.

That's gorgo's justification for insulting those that belive in God. in whatever form they believe.

And it's BULLSHIT.

[rcne]

I just saw the report, did matt takse care of it? Sometimes I pop in and out, I should have seen anything reported, but sometimes if there are two, I look at he first and miss the second.

I should make sure that I see them all.

[Mia]

It's not a matter of questioning beliefs, and that kind of discussion would need to take place in religion and philosophy. It's about personal attacks in any thread against those who have a belif in God. I don't think anyone needs to be banned, I just think that it needs to stop being overlooked and for the mods to gain a zero tolerance for it.

You don't have to check the rules to know that insults instead of debate are against them, do you? We all already know that.

This is a consistant thing - anytime anyone mentions God there is at least one insult hurled and the assertion that there is not one, when it has nothing to do with the topic.