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Samildanach · May 24, 2005, 08:35 am

Sure why not.

Beer Maid · May 24, 2005, 04:16 pm

frankly, I've seen the aftermath of a suicide. Sure you think yea they'll end their life but it won't hurt anyone. but thats a damn lie because once you end your life you leave everyone else in your life with years of depression and wondering what they could do to save you. My friend had threaten her life plenty of times and every time we all rolled our eyes and looked pass it. she tried to a few times but the night she decided to do it she left without a goodbye and plenty of threats. I don't know what i'm trying to say other than you can't simply take your life/ go and get a certificate to end it its alot more than that.

G. Adams · May 24, 2005, 07:04 pm

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Quote by: URWrong

I am sick and tired of stupid people who threaten to commit suicide over and over for years. Their main point of self pitty is that they are usless and that no one loves them. Of course you are usless, all you do is smoke weed and get drunk. You don't even try to be a productive human being. And of course no one cares about you, you never shut up about killing yourself or cutting yourself or throwing up your food. This is for any person out there that comes to me multiple times over the span of a year or more because they are so depressed over nothing and want to kill themselves: just do it. It will be a weight off of society's shoulders to have you gone.

You what I hate? Cold hearted bastards who whine about other people who are crying out for help. If your not prepared to give sympathy and help to those with real problems, why the hell should any care about your minor pet peeves of the day.

abub · May 24, 2005, 09:50 pm

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Quote by: G. Adams

You what I hate? Cold hearted bastards who whine about other people who are crying out for help. If your not prepared to give sympathy and help to those with real problems, why the hell should any care about your minor pet peeves of the day.

I stand somewhere in the middle on this issue.

I sure hate to hear people bitch and moan about how their life sucks and they wish they could end it. I also think that suicide threats should be taken very seriously, seeing as I live in a community that is grieving over a young girl's self-inflicted death.

This thread motivated me to do a little research on the matter, and the most interesting fact I have learned is that in the year 2000, three million children aged 12-17 either thought seriously about suicide or attempted suicide, and more than 1/3 actually tried to kill themselves. A bit of a scary thought, and makes you think twice next time you doubt someone who threatens to commit suicide.

As much as we all hate to listen to people bitching about suicide, I don't think a 2/3 chance that all they're doing is talking about it is worth the risk.

abub · May 24, 2005, 09:51 pm

http://www.about-teen-depression.com/teen-suicide.html

(link where I got the information in my previous post)

Cephus · May 25, 2005, 12:45 pm

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Quote by: abub

As much as we all hate to listen to people bitching about suicide, I don't think a 2/3 chance that all they're doing is talking about it is worth the risk.

That assumes that you think there's anything wrong with suicide. If someone wants to end their own life, that's fine with me. It's their life, their choice.

Besides, a 66% chance really isn't that bad if you're playing the odds, is it?

Trent · May 25, 2005, 11:38 pm

More interesting than the original title of this thread is the question:
WHY DO SO MANY HERE SHOW ANGER AND RESENTMENT AT PEOPLE
VOICING THEIR THOUGHTS ON SUICIDE?

When pain out-weighs emotional recources, a person might consider suicide. Just because you have never experienced this type of pain, doesn't mean it's not waiting for you around the next corner. We learn by experience and cannot feel empathy with others until we have been where they are.

I think the reason there is so much anger directed at those who talk about suicide, is simply FEAR.
You are afraid of DEATH. You are also afraid of a life worse than death.
Don't sneer at those who carry a heavy weight, but offer to take some of the load.
After all, death is forever close and who knows when grief or pain may strike you and you find yourself on the telephone to Samaritans?
I can hear you saying, "NOT ME, OH NO."
Frankly, that's what they all say BEFORE it happens.

Or is it because you actually feel jealous of a person who can take their own life and not be afraid of DEATH - Is that why you ridicule?

hathor209 · Nov 10, 2006, 11:44 pm

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Quote by: URWrong

I am sick and tired of stupid people who threaten to commit suicide over and over for years. Their main point of self pitty is that they are usless and that no one loves them. Of course you are usless, all you do is smoke weed and get drunk. You don't even try to be a productive human being. And of course no one cares about you, you never shut up about killing yourself or cutting yourself or throwing up your food. This is for any person out there that comes to me multiple times over the span of a year or more because they are so depressed over nothing and want to kill themselves: just do it. It will be a weight off of society's shoulders to have you gone.

i know this is a dead thread, but i just got to say this one thing -- GO TO HELL. no one who threatens to kill himself should be ignored, much less encouraged by obnoxious idiots like you who don't know how much harm they're causing with their pathetic, immature wise-ass attitudes.

Scribbler1 · Nov 11, 2006, 01:24 am

Are you responding to that guy? You should know he hasn't been on for well over a year.
No loss, IMO.

kubedawg · Nov 11, 2006, 02:09 am

While the subject has been resurected, I might as well share my thoughts and experiences with y'all.

Commiting suicide is caused by something that happened in your life to make you think this is the best answer. Whether it's a disbelief in God, or whether you have a noncurable disease, or whether your mother and father were murdered. There are an infinite amount of reasons why one would want to kill themself.

In my experience, I have a little brother, 4 years younger than I. We always fought because that's what brothers do. He is the biggest attention whore ever. That is why I fought with him mostly. He'd do stuff just to annoy me. Now, aside from that, he was diagnosed with Celiac disease when he was about 13, and that really depressed him. Before that, he was constantly sick, but noone ever thought it was something more than allergies. So, basically, he was told(along with my mom, who was also diagnosed) that he could no longer eat wheat, or gluten. And if you don't know by now, wheat is found in most foods here in the USA. Hell it's the main ingredient in soy sauce, followed by salt. It's used to thicken sauces, used to stick to foods better, used for lots of things, among the good stuff like cookies, bread, etc. So if you can imagine going from not worrying about what you eat, to looking at every ingredient, everywhere you went, even in restaurants, not having crutons on salads, not having pizza, etc, then you can imagine what my brother and mom felt like, short of actually having the disease.

So, life was tough, and for a while, they both dealt with it, my mom went cold turkey on wheat, and hasn't had any wheat since then. My brother on the other hand, continued to eat wheat, causing him to be sick more often, regardless of the fact that it could cause cancer in the future.

Well, one day, my brother baked a pizza while my parents were at work, and I was playing a video game on my PC, and before we got in an argument, he came to my room with the pizza on a plate, and got my attention, and sniffed the pizza, made that mmmmm noise, like he knew I didn't approve of him eating it, so, I took the pizza, we argued for a while, and I threw it away. So, later, I was watching TV and he came out of the bathroom with my razor and put it up to his wrist and attempted to cut himself, but, I intervened and tackled him to the ground, and started yelling at him to never do that again. I was pissed off so much, and at the same time, I was so sad for him, yet there was nothing I could do. I mean, I can't kick his ass, how can I hurt someone who'd try to hurt themselves, but mainly, I couldn't talk any sense into him, as all he thinks about are the negatives. Me and my brother are like opposite sides of a magnet. So, about 10 minutes later, he called my mom, and explained what happened, and then gave the phone to me, and I confirmed with her. And as soon as she got home, I just started balling as I couldn't believe anyone would want to do such a thing to themselves.

So, he was admitted to a mental hospital in town, which was way worse tham his life before hand, as people smuggled razors and drugs into the hospital(I'm talking about kids younger than him) and it was just horrible.

Recently, he got a girlfriend who really cares for and understands him, and I am so glad she showed up, as my brother has smiled in I don't know how long, and that just makes me incredibly happy.

People who try to commit suicide aren't crazy. And it's harsh one could think of them as scum or idiots.

I still kind of think I was to blame for that day, as I sparked the argument, and I still can't fully understand why a person would do such a thing, it makes me want to get to know that person more, what their interests are and exploit that fact so I could show them how to take advantage of the choices they have to be happy in their lives, regardless of what they've been though.

My brother was put on many pills and medication, a couple brands of which were banned for possibly causing further psyhological damage, and I'm so fucking pissed at these drug companies that say these will help. It's a buncha bullshit. People don't need pills or medication in most cases. They need love, ideas, interest. There aren't substitutes for those things.

People who think they have nothing to live for are wrong, to put it simply. They may have lost everything, as nothing can replace family and friends, but there are many other things in this world that can make one happy, and come to enjoy life, as that's what life is all about. People get so caught up in the bullshit societys, they forget to realize they are their own person, no matter what anyone tells them. Hope is the best thing to introduce into people's lives who try to harm themselves. If you can do that, they might just stand a chance.

My brother may have only been trying to seek attention, but that's not and never will be a chance I'm willing to take.

Scribbler1 · Nov 11, 2006, 04:44 pm

In a situation like that, I believe it is worse for the people closest to him who must stand there incapable of doing anything.

I'm glad to hear your brother is doing better. Sometimes a good, patient and supportive woman is all the treatment a guy needs.

Sandy Vedrine · Nov 11, 2006, 10:08 pm

The approach is very insulting (I think) towards the many individuals who really are depressed. I agree that some people do blow things out of proportion and try to use that just to receive the attention that they are longing for. I believe that they are not really "depressed" but they are just sad for that moment and think that is the only way to get out. Depression should not be taken lightly no matter who is initiating the idea; however, it is very difficult to tell if the person is serious about it now-a-days.

May 24, 2005, 08:35 am	#21 (permalink) (top)
Samildanach Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979	Sure why not. I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway)

May 24, 2005, 04:16 pm	#22 (permalink) (top)
Beer Maid Sedimentary Rock Posts: 3	frankly, I've seen the aftermath of a suicide. Sure you think yea they'll end their life but it won't hurt anyone. but thats a damn lie because once you end your life you leave everyone else in your life with years of depression and wondering what they could do to save you. My friend had threaten her life plenty of times and every time we all rolled our eyes and looked pass it. she tried to a few times but the night she decided to do it she left without a goodbye and plenty of threats. I don't know what i'm trying to say other than you can't simply take your life/ go and get a certificate to end it its alot more than that. AttACK with a gasmask

Nov 11, 2006, 01:24 am	#29 (permalink) (top)
Scribbler1 Skeptical Patriot Posts: 7,846	Are you responding to that guy? You should know he hasn't been on for well over a year. No loss, IMO. Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.

Nov 11, 2006, 02:09 am	#30 (permalink) (top)
kubedawg Magma Posts: 1,040	While the subject has been resurected, I might as well share my thoughts and experiences with y'all. Commiting suicide is caused by something that happened in your life to make you think this is the best answer. Whether it's a disbelief in God, or whether you have a noncurable disease, or whether your mother and father were murdered. There are an infinite amount of reasons why one would want to kill themself. In my experience, I have a little brother, 4 years younger than I. We always fought because that's what brothers do. He is the biggest attention whore ever. That is why I fought with him mostly. He'd do stuff just to annoy me. Now, aside from that, he was diagnosed with Celiac disease when he was about 13, and that really depressed him. Before that, he was constantly sick, but noone ever thought it was something more than allergies. So, basically, he was told(along with my mom, who was also diagnosed) that he could no longer eat wheat, or gluten. And if you don't know by now, wheat is found in most foods here in the USA. Hell it's the main ingredient in soy sauce, followed by salt. It's used to thicken sauces, used to stick to foods better, used for lots of things, among the good stuff like cookies, bread, etc. So if you can imagine going from not worrying about what you eat, to looking at every ingredient, everywhere you went, even in restaurants, not having crutons on salads, not having pizza, etc, then you can imagine what my brother and mom felt like, short of actually having the disease. So, life was tough, and for a while, they both dealt with it, my mom went cold turkey on wheat, and hasn't had any wheat since then. My brother on the other hand, continued to eat wheat, causing him to be sick more often, regardless of the fact that it could cause cancer in the future. Well, one day, my brother baked a pizza while my parents were at work, and I was playing a video game on my PC, and before we got in an argument, he came to my room with the pizza on a plate, and got my attention, and sniffed the pizza, made that mmmmm noise, like he knew I didn't approve of him eating it, so, I took the pizza, we argued for a while, and I threw it away. So, later, I was watching TV and he came out of the bathroom with my razor and put it up to his wrist and attempted to cut himself, but, I intervened and tackled him to the ground, and started yelling at him to never do that again. I was pissed off so much, and at the same time, I was so sad for him, yet there was nothing I could do. I mean, I can't kick his ass, how can I hurt someone who'd try to hurt themselves, but mainly, I couldn't talk any sense into him, as all he thinks about are the negatives. Me and my brother are like opposite sides of a magnet. So, about 10 minutes later, he called my mom, and explained what happened, and then gave the phone to me, and I confirmed with her. And as soon as she got home, I just started balling as I couldn't believe anyone would want to do such a thing to themselves. So, he was admitted to a mental hospital in town, which was way worse tham his life before hand, as people smuggled razors and drugs into the hospital(I'm talking about kids younger than him) and it was just horrible. Recently, he got a girlfriend who really cares for and understands him, and I am so glad she showed up, as my brother has smiled in I don't know how long, and that just makes me incredibly happy. People who try to commit suicide aren't crazy. And it's harsh one could think of them as scum or idiots. I still kind of think I was to blame for that day, as I sparked the argument, and I still can't fully understand why a person would do such a thing, it makes me want to get to know that person more, what their interests are and exploit that fact so I could show them how to take advantage of the choices they have to be happy in their lives, regardless of what they've been though. My brother was put on many pills and medication, a couple brands of which were banned for possibly causing further psyhological damage, and I'm so fucking pissed at these drug companies that say these will help. It's a buncha bullshit. People don't need pills or medication in most cases. They need love, ideas, interest. There aren't substitutes for those things. People who think they have nothing to live for are wrong, to put it simply. They may have lost everything, as nothing can replace family and friends, but there are many other things in this world that can make one happy, and come to enjoy life, as that's what life is all about. People get so caught up in the bullshit societys, they forget to realize they are their own person, no matter what anyone tells them. Hope is the best thing to introduce into people's lives who try to harm themselves. If you can do that, they might just stand a chance. My brother may have only been trying to seek attention, but that's not and never will be a chance I'm willing to take. "You can only see as far as you think." Economic Left/Right: -1.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.90 Addiction is only the failure of one's will power.

Nov 11, 2006, 04:44 pm	#31 (permalink) (top)
Scribbler1 Skeptical Patriot Posts: 7,846	In a situation like that, I believe it is worse for the people closest to him who must stand there incapable of doing anything. I'm glad to hear your brother is doing better. Sometimes a good, patient and supportive woman is all the treatment a guy needs. Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.

May 24, 2005, 09:51 pm	#25 (permalink) (top)
abub trendsetter Location: cleveland Posts: 317	http://www.about-teen-depression.com/teen-suicide.html (link where I got the information in my previous post)

May 25, 2005, 11:38 pm	#27 (permalink) (top)
Trent Molten Ash Posts: 90	More interesting than the original title of this thread is the question: WHY DO SO MANY HERE SHOW ANGER AND RESENTMENT AT PEOPLE VOICING THEIR THOUGHTS ON SUICIDE? When pain out-weighs emotional recources, a person might consider suicide. Just because you have never experienced this type of pain, doesn't mean it's not waiting for you around the next corner. We learn by experience and cannot feel empathy with others until we have been where they are. I think the reason there is so much anger directed at those who talk about suicide, is simply FEAR. You are afraid of DEATH. You are also afraid of a life worse than death. Don't sneer at those who carry a heavy weight, but offer to take some of the load. After all, death is forever close and who knows when grief or pain may strike you and you find yourself on the telephone to Samaritans? I can hear you saying, "NOT ME, OH NO." Frankly, that's what they all say BEFORE it happens. Or is it because you actually feel jealous of a person who can take their own life and not be afraid of DEATH - Is that why you ridicule?

Nov 11, 2006, 10:08 pm	#32 (permalink) (top)
Sandy Vedrine Sedimentary Rock Posts: 4	The approach is very insulting (I think) towards the many individuals who really are depressed. I agree that some people do blow things out of proportion and try to use that just to receive the attention that they are longing for. I believe that they are not really "depressed" but they are just sad for that moment and think that is the only way to get out. Depression should not be taken lightly no matter who is initiating the idea; however, it is very difficult to tell if the person is serious about it now-a-days.