Want to Know who Attacked ON 9/11/01?

[gr8fuldaniel]

The 9/11 Commission Report: More Holes in the Official Story: The 9/11 Cell Phone Calls by Michel ChossudovskyAltitude and Cellphone Transmission According to industry experts, the crucial link in wireless cell phone transmission from an aircraft is altitude. Beyond a certain altitude which is usually reached within a few minutes after takeoff, cell phone calls are no longer possible. In other words, given the wireless technology available on September 11 2001, these cell calls could not have been placed from high altitude. The only way passengers could have got through to family and friends using their cell phones, is if the planes were flying below 8000 feet. Yet even at low altitude, below 8000 feet, cell phone communication is of poor quality. The crucial question: at what altitude were the planes traveling, when the calls were placed? While the information provided by the Commission is scanty, the Report's timeline does not suggest that the planes were consistently traveling at low altitude. In fact the Report confirms that a fair number of the cell phone calls were placed while the plane was traveling at altitudes above 8000 feet, which is considered as the cutoff altitude for cell phone transmission. Let us review the timeline of these calls in relation to the information provided by the Report on flight paths and altitude. United Airlines Flight 175 United Airlines Flight 175 departed for Los Angeles at 8:00: "It pushed back from its gate at 7:58 and departed Logan Airport at 8:14." The Report confirms that by 8:33, "it had reached its assigned cruising altitude of 31,000 feet." According to the Report, it maintained this cruising altitude until 8.51, when it "deviated from its assigned altitude": "The first operational evidence that something was abnormal on United 175 came at 8:47, when the aircraft changed beacon codes twice within a minute. At 8:51, the flight deviated from its assigned altitude, and a minute later New York air traffic controllers began repeatedly and unsuccessfully trying to contact it." And one minute later at 8.52, Lee Hanson receives a call from his son Peter. [Flight UAL 175] "At 8:52, in Easton, Connecticut, a man named Lee Hanson received a phone call from his son Peter, a passenger on United 175. His son told him: “I think they’ve taken over the cockpit—An attendant has been stabbed— and someone else up front may have been killed. The plane is making strange moves. Call United Airlines—Tell them it’s Flight 175, Boston to LA. Press reports confirm that Peter Hanson was using his cell (i.e it was not an air phone). Unless the plane had suddenly nose-dived, the plane was still at high altitude at 8.52. (Moreover, Hanson's call could have been initiated at least a minute prior to his father Lee Hanson picking up the phone.) Another call was received at 8.52 (one minute after it deviated from its assigned altitude of 31,000 feet). The Report does not say whether this is an air phone or a cell phone call: Also at 8:52, a male flight attendant called a United office in San Francisco, reaching Marc Policastro. The flight attendant reported that the flight had been hijacked, both pilots had been killed, a flight attendant had been stabbed, and the hijackers were probably flying the plane. The call lasted about two minutes, after which Policastro and a colleague tried unsuccessfully to contact the flight. It is not clear whether this was a call to Policastro's cell phone or to the UAL switchboard.

Note:Just because there are no rules her is no reason for me to be uncivilized. I apologize.
Sean told me he put it here because it is "Conspiracy Theory", I told him I made it clear in opening remarks that its not the conspiracy it self that I want to discuss, but the actual crime. It stopped being just a conspiracy, when they carried out their plans. Who acted that day is a valid argument, whether the media or forum moderators, think so or not.
So I apologize for my little temper tantrum, I spoke in anger. I was wrong to take it out on you guys. Pray 4 Peace

[Nono]

Quote by: Obe it's good therapy for us all

"Manic depression is a frustrating mess."

- J. Hendrix

[Nono]

Re Michel Chossudovsky: Well that seems pretty convincing, as do your other links on cell phones. I guess it would be a line-of-sight transmission to virtually equadistant cellsites. Anbody out there want to dispute these findings?

As for the height above the ground, why would the plane have left its cruising altitude before the final plunge? Apart from anything else that would hardly be an efficient means of getting to the target (lower speed and higher fuel consumption). So there's no reason to think that these calls were placed from a height of less than six miles. Anybody care to present a contrary view?

[Lou Minotti]

The official story, by definition, is a conspiracy theory. Actually, it's one of the wildest I've ever heard.

[Dieval]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Yes, they were cell phone calls, if you believe the official fairy tale.

Did you ever read the "official fairy tale"?

Quote by: 9/11 Report About five minutes after the hijacking began, Betty Ong contacted the American Airlines Southeastern Reservations Office in Cary, North Carolina, via an AT&T airphone to report an emergency aboard the flight.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.pdf (That's a PDF file, be warned)

[Lou Minotti]

Did you ever read the "official fairy tale"?

500 page fairy tale. The Warren Commission Report was volumes and volumes of pages. Who do they/you think they/you are kidding?

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: Lou Minotti The easiest one? What's easy about accepting a load of BS. All it takes is a mere glance at the facts and anyone slightly conscious can see we are being lied to.

A mere glane and you have determined all that.

What ever guy. All these glorious explinations you guys are comming up with are the product of distrust/hate for the US Government, and the inability to cope with the reality fo what happened, so you allow yourselves to be engulfed in these fantasies rather then accepting the truth.


"A Mere glane..."

Yeah, one of the guys at work says the same thing about the moon landings.. Mere glance at the facts shows it was filmed by hollywood and no one ever stepped fot on the moon.

That's where I place these Theories you guys are espousing.

[Dieval]

Quote by: Lou Minotti 500 page fairy tale. The Warren Commission Report was volumes and volumes of pages. Who do they/you think they/you are kidding?

I took a few minutes out of my busy day and found that they were using Airphones.

In one of gr8's posts it mentioned Lee Hanson received a call from his son, and according to his link the press confirmed it was a cell phone, yet when I scaned the 9/11 report for the word cell, in association with the Lee and got a big fat 0 returns...here's part of Lee Hanson info -

Quote by: 9/11 report At 8:52, in Easton, Connecticut, a man named Lee Hanson received a phone call from his son Peter, a passenger on United 175. His son told him: “I think they’ve taken over the cockpit—An attendant has been stabbed— and someone else up front may have been killed. The plane is making strange moves. Call United Airlines—Tell them it’s Flight 175, Boston to LA.” Lee Hanson then called the Easton Police Department and relayed what he had heard.45

I'm not seeing anything about a cell phone mentioned..

And the report also states -

Quote by: 9/11 report 77. All calls placed on airphones were from the rear of the aircraft.There was one airphone installed in each row of seats on both sides of the aisle.The airphone system was capable of transmitting only eight calls at any one time. See FBI report of investigation, airphone records for flights UAL 93 and UAL 175 on Sept. 11, 2001, Sept.18, 2001.

That there were airphones on that flight...how exactly was it confirmed that they weren't used?

[Lou Minotti]

That's where I place these Theories you guys are espousing.

Good for you. I'll be sure to put your theories next to "The Christians Torched Rome", "Spain Blew Up the Maine", "A blind retarded Jew burned the Reichstag", "A lone gunman killed Kennedy unless you guys actually start paying attention, then it was Castro" "Operation Northwoods Never Existed", "Oliver North isn't a drug dealer", "The Bush Family's wealth was NOT derived from Jewish labor at Auschwitz", and "Vicchio is not an armchair political hack when he isn't "gaming"....You are a Trotskyite Vicchio, a statist in individualist clothing. The worst kind of communist is one who isn't aware of it.

[Dieval]

Quote by: Lou Minotti The worst kind of communist is one who isn't aware of it.

Vic a communist??

ROFL

[gr8fuldaniel]

The 911 report forgot to mention, or just didnt bother investigating for their report (Chapter 1, Page 7)

Press reports confirm that Peter Hanson was using his cell (i.e it was not an air phone). Unless the plane had suddenly nose-dived, the plane was still at high altitude at 8.52. (Moreover, Hanson's call could have been initiated at least a minute prior to his father Lee Hanson picking up the phone.)

"Press reports confirm that Peter Hanson was using his cell (i.e it was not an air phone)." Thats exactly what I am talking about. The 911 "Writers Guild" cannot be used for a reliable source. They were under the thumb of Tyranny. They were commissioned for an art work. Not for the spotlight investigation you would expect from any other crime scene.

NY Press ran this:

Yet despite this, passengers Todd Beamer, Mark Bingham, Jeremy Glick and Edward Felt all managed to place calls from Flight 93 on the morning of September 11. Peter Hanson, en route to Disneyland with his wife and daughter, phoned his dad from Flight 175. Madeline Amy Sweeney, a flight attendant, made a very dramatic call from Flight 11 as it sped to the North Tower. Barbara Olson made two calls, collect, to her husband at his government office from Flight 77 as it made its way to the Pentagon. Each call was initially reported as coming from a cellphone. Later, when skepticism reared its ugly head and the Grassy Knollers arrived, the narrative became fuzzy; it was suggested that $10-a-minute Airfones were involved. Olson was an easy candidate for Airfone (one doesn't call collect from a cell), but as the stories developed, Olson—and Felt—were said to have called from inside locked lavatories. No Airfone there.

From The Plain Dealer:

Peter Hanson, 32, vice president for sales at TimeTrade, used his cell phone to call his parents moments before the plane hit the second tower.

[gr8fuldaniel]

I would appreciate it if you wouldnt post crap from the 911 Commission as if it were a reliable source.
Thank You

[Dieval]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel I would appreciate it if you wouldnt post crap from the 911 Commission as if it were a reliable source. Thank You

I'm sorry...next time I'll link to places such as the cleaveland.com, and take their editor notes as fact....we all know that the press(and all the website links you post) could never make a mistake....

Quote by: gr8's source EDITOR'S NOTE _ Peter Hanson, his wife, Sue Jue Kim-Hanson, and their 2-year-old daughter, Christine, all of Groton, Mass., died on United Airlines Flight 175 when it crashed into the World Trade Center. Peter Hanson, 32, vice president for sales at TimeTrade, used his cell phone to call his parents moments before the plane hit the second tower. After her death, Sue Kim Hanson, 35, was awarded the post-doctoral degree in pathology and immunology she was working toward at Boston University; BU has established an annual lecture to be held on Sept. 11 in her honor. Peter's parents, Eunice and Lee Hanson, live in Easton, Conn. Here, Eunice Hanson shares some thoughts in the form of a letter to her son.

Look ma, it's on a website...it must be true!

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Dieval, I took a few minutes out of my busy day and found that they were using Airphones. In one of gr8's posts it mentioned Lee Hanson received a call from his son, and according to his link the press confirmed it was a cell phone, yet when I scaned the 9/11 report for the word cell, in association with the Lee and got a big fat 0 returns...here's part of Lee Hanson info -

True, flight 175, the official story got vague about how those calls were made.
Nobody said AirPhones werent used. I am saying cellphones WERE used, according to the official story.

But on flight 93; See 911 Report Page 12, 3rd paragraph:

Shortly thereafter, the passengers and flight crew began a series of calls from GTE airphones and cellular phones. These calls between family, friends, and colleagues took place until the end of the flight and provided those on the ground with firsthand accounts.They enabled the passengers to gain critical information, including the news that two aircraft had slammed into the World Trade Center.77

[Mia]

Quote by: OberonDOtherseid The last I knew the planes that crashed into the twin towers were not at 35000 feet either, half way up the skyscraper at 35000 feet? BIG BIG BUILDING KIDS!

The calls weren't made from the planes that hit the towers. They were made from another plane AFTER those planes had crashed.

[Dieval]

Quote by: Mia The calls weren't made from the planes that hit the towers. They were made from another plane AFTER those planes had crashed.

You mean the one that ran into the ground or the one that ran into the pentagon(neither place is at 35k feet)?

[Mia]

*sigh* the calls were made well before crashing.

[OberonDOtherseid]

Quote by: Mia The calls weren't made from the planes that hit the towers. They were made from another plane AFTER those planes had crashed.

Yea, that plane was right outside Gr8fuldaniels aunties house, tucked in the back yard by the pool. His cousin Jeffrey told him so, and he has more baseball cards than you so PHHOOOEY on you!! :rolleyes:

[OberonDOtherseid]

Quote by: Nono "Manic depression is a frustrating mess." - J. Hendrix

I can see it runs rampant here, too bad really..it doesn't have to be that way.

[Mia]

WTF are you talking about? Are you claiming now that the calls were made from the plane that hit the towers?

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