Gang will target Minuteman vigil on Mexico border

[Lou Minotti]

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...5306-7868r.htm

Members of a violent Central America-based gang have been sent to Arizona to target Minuteman Project volunteers, who will begin a monthlong border vigil this weekend to find and report foreigner sneaking into the United States, project officials say.

Central American Terrorists Attacking American Patriots? Bring it on...

[rcne]

I know Fox will not allow these gangs free access to the border - right? If not I think the gang may start a border war.

Why you ask - do you really think that if they cross the border attack, then skip back across the border - we won't follow.

Unless of course if the Mexican army picks them up first - and puts them in one of those fine Mexican Jails.

[The Dunedan]

rcne:
Sadly, gangs from Mexico have been crossing into the US to transport drugs and attack Border Patrol agents for years. The most notorious and dangerous ( so far ) have been groups of heavily armed "Zetas," former soldiers who now work for several of Mexico's drug cartels. The Fox Gov't actively encourages illegal immigration, and has done exactly -nothing- to stop to Zeta and MS-13 incursions through the US border; this has led many people ( In Mexico and the States ) to believe that Fox is probably on the take from the narco-terrorists which support both gangs. There have also been repeated incursiong by uniformed soldiers of the regular Mexican Army into the US, probably "moonlighting" as gaurds for drug caravans. To date, three US Border Patrol agents have been killed and more than a dozen wounded, as well as hundreds of vehicles damaged by rifle and machinegun fire. These people are serious.

As for your second position, I agree, but with one proviso: the border war has already begun, it is simply escalating. Fox is using the US as a combination Cash Cow and Penal Colony; he sends his dirt-poor here to make money ( which they then pump back into the Mexican ecnomy via Western Union ) and also takes a page from Castro's book by dumping many of his hardened criminals on the US. The Fox Government even prints booklets on how and where to illegally cross the border, how to avoid detection once you're in the US, how to procure false documents, and what to do if you're caught. He has threatened to SUE the US, if you can believe it, to "protect the rights of migrant workers," many of whom are desperate criminals and drug trafficers.

As for these MS-13 thugs; a LOT of these MMP guys are ex-military, with a sizeable contingent of ex-SF within that. They are only allowed to carry handguns, but unless the gangbangers bring shoulder-fired full-auto firepower, these MMP people will make very short work of them.

[Zeebadee]

No doubt we'll soon have one of our super-moderators log in to tell us "gringoes" how racist and bigoted we are. He'll tell us how hard Fox is fighting the endemic corruption that has been a large part of Mexican life for generations now. He'll also neglect to mention that Fox won't have to address the corruption in his social programs if he can dump that particular fiscal problem onto U.S. taxpayers, as well as the fact that illegals will be sending home money to prop up a system rife with graft. It's win - win for Fox if he can get his undesirables to migrate north. A hundred years from now these migrants will be suing for "reparations" because we forced them to come here and w0ork for substandard wages.

Unfortunately, it's going to take American casualties on U.S. soil before our sleazebag pandering politicians are forced to react to this invasion by the one thing that motivates them - fear of losing their cushy government jobs. American backlash to an armed invasion by these thugs will simply be too much for them to continue to ignore.

The true heroes and martyrs of this generation are going to be the ones opposing an invasion from Mexico, not the ones fighting to free Fallujah.

[The Dunedan]

*********UPDATE**********

OK folks. Various foreign news services are reporting that the Fox Government is mobilizing several thousand Mexican troops and sending them north to the US/Mexico border. There is the serious possibility that this could turn into a shooting war. Russian news agencies are reporting that the Mexican troops have been given permission, by both President Bush and President Fox, to cross the border and use force against "Vigilantes" from the Minute Man Project. These 6000+ soldiers are being moved north under the guise of "drug war," but are ( curiously ) being positioned directly across the border from the MMP's Area of Operations. I reiterate, folks, this could turn bloody in a hurry.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index704.htm
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index704.htm

[Mr.Vicchio]

I hope it does. I hope the mexican troops cross the border and attack US Citizens. I hope there is television coverage, photos, and some dead on both sides.

I know, you're going ot call me a callous bastard, fine.

These guys, the miute men, know what they are getting themselves into. And I respect that, if I wasn't in Maine, and my current employment didn't forbid such, I would be there with them...

Anyhoots, why do I want this to become so nasty? Because it's obvious that no other action would force the changes needed. What would turn me, fromBush even, is if the minute men, as I have read on several other less... reliable news, info and gossip sights... are arrested by the US Government. I would be mighty angry at that point. These men want to Protect America, and are willing to lay it on the line.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: The Dunedan *********UPDATE********** OK folks. Various foreign news services are reporting that the Fox Government is mobilizing several thousand Mexican troops and sending them north to the US/Mexico border. There is the serious possibility that this could turn into a shooting war. Russian news agencies are reporting that the Mexican troops have been given permission, by both President Bush and President Fox, to cross the border and use force against "Vigilantes" from the Minute Man Project. These 6000+ soldiers are being moved north under the guise of "drug war," but are ( curiously ) being positioned directly across the border from the MMP's Area of Operations. I reiterate, folks, this could turn bloody in a hurry. http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index704.htm http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index704.htm

Dude, I clicked your link... and let me say this... I will never ever read another one of your links again. The Axis powers of America and Isreal?? WTF? Man I read some really wack sites sometimes, but when they cross that line there is no point in reading further. I hope that isn't a news source you actually rely on....

[The Dunedan]

Mr. V;
That was a link supplied by the person who originally contacted me. He got a similar response to what you gave me just a few minutes ago; it would seem that this link has been making the rounds in the last few hours without people investigating it properly. I seem to have fallen prey to that tendancy myself; my apologies to the board.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Oh no, it's all good, I mean info is info and while yeah, I rely mostly on "right wing" sites, Fox news, Drudge, and such, I also read other established sources....

But that whole line about the Axis of America and Isreal... red flag. Like uh... I dunno a tabacco company news letter on Health... the info might ACTUALLY be 100% legit.. but the way it's spun makes you quesiton it.

Sorry for jumping off on ya but I was reading the story about th emovement of the Carriers (which while thier actual locations/missions is classified info can be found) and it took me a min to figure out WTF the article was talking about.

[The Dunedan]

That was part of the confusion on my part; when I recieved the email, it was an exerpted quote followed by the link. The quote itself contained a link to another "mainstream" news site, so I posted the original link w/out bothering to verify it properly. My fault.

[rmnunez]

These gangs were noted earlier, they are the notorious "maras" (Mara Salvatruchas) and there are really just 2; the 13th St and 18th St gangs. Originally from Guatemala, sporting profuse tattoos, about 60 are estimated to enter with each traincar load of cocaine (imagine smuggling whole traincars full of the stuff) bound for the gringan market. Naturally they concentrate in LA (big market). When Project Minuteman was announced, a captive mara gang boss doing hard time on narcotics charges from his prison cell called on gang members to help out the Mexicans -I guess its "hispanic solidarity". I think those minutemen won't even last that long if confronting hardened drug gang members. It is troubling as I'd expect a lot more attention on the border if gringoes get slaughtered left and right, hopefully it won't come to this.

[Mr.Vicchio]

I think those minutemen won't even last that long if confronting hardened drug gang members. It is troubling as I'd expect a lot more attention on the border if gringoes get slaughtered left and right

Nice, I went and did some digging the term gringoes meanss American or british english speaking persons in south america. While it is a term, it is interesting the way you toss it around, in a disparaging way. Why not just call them Americans? Hmmm, or is it more fun to use a racial slang slur because no one will call you out on it.

Oh and those "gringoes" would win in any confrontation with those gang bangers. These are mostly Ex-military types many with combat experience, not uneducated thugs.

[Samildanach]

Why fight when you can just buy them off?

[rmnunez]

Interesting note on the use of "gringo" in South America, in North America Mexicans use it exclusively for people they think are from the US, in Spain they favour "Yankee" which I've found rendered as "Yanqui" in Cuban and Nicaraguan propaganda. My assumption was "gringo" originated in Mexico. "Griego" is Greek in Spanish, sometimes used as in English to refer to something not understood, but there is no colloquial reference to foreigners as "griegos" (unless they actually were Greeks).

[Mr.Vicchio]

Yes and it's also used as a racial slur something else I dug up on the web. So I am asking you, in the interest of not promoting racial tensions, to not use taht word when reffering to Americans jsut because you think they are WHITE.

How many of those at the border as part of this Vigil are hispanic? Do you know? Or are you just looking for an excuse to make this into a caucasian vs hispanc racial issue?

http://www.minutemanproject.com/index.html

If you poke around you see that yes, there are people of all walks of life signed up for this.

I'm sure they'd love your comments about them.

[Lou Minotti]

I think those minutemen won't even last that long if confronting hardened drug gang members. It is troubling as I'd expect a lot more attention on the border if gringoes get slaughtered left and right, hopefully it won't come to this.

Ha! Ex-special forces and marines vs. a bunch of drugged out street trash. Good luck.

[The Dunedan]

1: rmnunez; Would you PLEASE stop using racial slurs?! If you don't cut this out, I'm gonna start calling you a spic, greaseball, beaner, and wetback every chance I get. People have politely asked you to stop this nonsense for weeks now, and all you've done is responded with some circular logic about how "Gringo" isn't really a racial slur....yeah, and "Nigger" is just a colloquial word for "black African," no racism there...

2: I highly doubt that these so-called "hardened drug-gang members" would be much threat to the vast majority of the MMP personell. Gangbangers are accustomed to scaring people into compliance by looking and acting tough; these people in the MMP don't scare easily. Also, gangbangers generally can't shoot worth shit; otherwise there'd be a lot more dead ones. Unless these guys are bringing shoulder-arms and know how to use 'em, I'd say these MS-13 punks are the ones who are in for some trouble.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Dude, I clicked your link... and let me say this... I will never ever read another one of your links again. The Axis powers of America and Isreal?? WTF? Man I read some really wack sites sometimes, but when they cross that line there is no point in reading further. I hope that isn't a news source you actually rely on....

My, my aren't you sensitive to that little word Axis, Vicchio? An aggressive warlike foreign policy, drastic reduction of internal freedoms, a policy of targeting and scapegoating people of a Middle-Eastern race. Should I look for more similarities with the Axis Powers of WWII? How about the propaganda machine of unprecedented reach and influence and augmentation of government powers over those of individuals? How about war profiteering? How about lies as a pretext for invasion and occupation?

Well, I know you well enough by now not to be surprised at your little "sensitivities." But in my opinion, your collusion with a statist kleptocratic regime while in uniform and sworn to uphold the Constitution is a fine exhibit of your lack of character and judgement.

As to Dunedan's link, it remains to be seen if it is predictive or just hot air. But let us not dismiss warnings for such trivial trigger words as "Axis."

[Mr.Vicchio]

No PH, it wasn't the word, it was the fact peoploe that See America and Isreal as evil, are generally the ones that are either deluded into buying the "one world government" theory, or are jsut anti-American.

You aren't you're just heavily misguided.

[PatrickHenry]

Funny, many of the ones I read criticizing the turn that US policies have taken are those who fear and despise a one-world government. But likely we read different sources....

I have just been reading Rev. Robertson's The New World Order, 1991. He has quite a number of the issues right, but his viewpoint is limited by a cold warrior's perspective. You have some of the issues nailed too, Vicchio. But unfortunately the whole picture is nearly too huge to grasp, so they have a fall-back position of supporting nationalist causes and government power. This will not prevent the entry and system-wide domination by the globalist economic forces, the supra-nationalists, and the one-world religionists, known as the New Agers.

We are descending into nightmare, and your beloved Dubya is one of its proponents.