Meet Your Meat

[RickSp]

LOL. Another Nazi reference.

Why doesn't everyone understand? Flesheaters are barbarian monsters, Nazis and worse!!!!!

Humourless vegans should get a life.

[bishop]

we know some dumbassed ex-vegetarian who used to give us the typical bullshit everytime he ate with us.. "are you enjoying your flesh?"

it was oh-so bittersweet when this twit relapsed and started eating meat again. i never hesitate to mock the hell out of him.

[StrongHeartsWin]

What surely is bittersweet is the growth in vegetarianism. What is bittersweet is more and more legislation giving more and more consideration to animals creating personhood in them before the law. What is bittersweet is the liberation of beings from factory farms.

All in due time.

[bishop]

heh.. at this pace, we'll all be vegetarians a few hundred centuries from now.

*cheers*

[StrongHeartsWin]

Quote by: bishop heh.. at this pace, we'll all be vegetarians a few hundred centuries from now. *cheers*

A few hundred years!? That is great, seeing it took hundreds of years for the abolitionist movement to reach critical mass after they became organized -- and they didn`t even have the luxury of cheap printing and mass dissemination of information technology such as the internet.

If ever in the future a halogram experience can become available to entertainment home systems where people can enter the programed life situations of their choices and a factory farm or slaugherhouse is an option, that would intensify feelings of empathy and increase the rate to animal liberation ever faster.

[brien]

Quote by: Man Against Time I didnt click the link but am not unfamiliar with the topic. People who think it is appropriate to grow an animal in a dark box in a factory should just very simply all be murdered. That would solve more problems than you could imagine.

What the hell is a "dark box factory" Can you provide us a link for the justification of your murdering human beings.

And btw, smarten up, last time I looked, murdering human beings will put YOU in a dark box factory called PRISON.

Could it possibly be that more than one person disagrees with you?

So what is your plan? To line up all the people who don't agree with you in front of a big ditch and simply just shoot them while you watch them fall into the mass grave?

[brien]

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then you would have no problems with a homeless man wandering in your backyard, killing and eating one of your pets? i mean the point of a domesticated animal is to eat it right?[/QUOTE]


If your homeless man wanders into my backyard, he will be eaten by my domesticated animals.

[RickSp]

Quote by: StrongHeartsWin What surely is bittersweet is the growth in vegetarianism. What is bittersweet is more and more legislation giving more and more consideration to animals creating personhood in them before the law. What is bittersweet is the liberation of beings from factory farms. All in due time.

"Personhood" for pigs and chickens? Our basic human rights are under attack and your concern are the rights of pigs and chickens?

To put the "growth of vegetarianism" in perspective - the number of vegans in the US and Britain has been steady at about 1%. A Zogby poll commissioned by the Vegetarian Resource Group shows vegetarians (never eating meat, poultry or fish) at about 2.5%. The Zogby poll also shows vegans at just under 1%.

[brien]

Quote by: RickSp "Personhood" for pigs and chickens? Our basic human rights are under attack and your concern are the rights of pigs and chickens? .

Well of course Rick, have you never read Animal Farm????

Let's have the Pigs rule where "everyone is equal but some are more equal than others." :rolleyes:

[RickSp]

Actually looking at the Republican and Democratic Party politicians currently serving in Congress, perhaps the pigs and chickens have already taken over.

Of course my first thought is not "personhood" but "barbeque."

[StrongHeartsWin]

Quote by: RickSp "Personhood" for pigs and chickens? Our basic human rights are under attack and your concern are the rights of pigs and chickens?

Sure, I am. I am able to multi-task. Are you so myopic you can`t handle a few goals at the same time?

Perhaps we learned to be disrespectful and deprive each other of respect after we perfected doing it to animals. After all, the domestication of animals came before human domestication (i.e. of slavery).

If we focused on the foundation of cruelty, that which society is built on, then we may see a kinder and more respect for life grow out from a new foundation. It seems that what we have been doing for thousands of years has not made us able to live in harmony, so why not back up, re-examine our perspective and how we treat other beings, and see if another way may bear more fruit in the area of peace.

[RickSp]

And the other 99% of us are less concerned about other species than we are own own. You have already equated the rest of us with slavetraders and nazis. I think that says enough. Your arguments, such as they are, certainly do not convince me to change my diet. You eat what you eat and I'll eat what I eat.

[StrongHeartsWin]

Quote by: RickSp And the other 99% of us are less concerned about other species than we are own own.

And that is exactly why you are myopic and shortsighted, RSP. You`ve defined yourself as such.

It is not about being less or more concerned about than our species -- it is simply being concerned and doing something about suffering.

You have already equated the rest of us with slavetraders and nazis.

I`ve definitely equated your reasoning with those of Nazi's and slaveholders, not to mention questioning YOUR lack of ability to argue and debate. I am beginning to see how the high post numbers have been acrued by you; not offering debate but only 3 to 5 sentence hit and run wonder posts (if not one sentence wonder posts). <snicker snicker>

I think that says enough.

I think that is all you have to say, RSP. I sense you are bankrupt on the ability to debate. But, since you said you think you have said enough, I guess you won`t be popping in any more -- unless you have spoken inaccurately or I am not a prophet.

Maybe you would care to make me a prophet? I prophesize you will pop back in. <snicker snicker>

Your arguments, such as they are, certainly do not convince me to change my diet.

Don`t worry, RSP. I know my abilities. Those who are decidedly flesh eaters are not my target. Those with open minds on the issue who care about suffering and may be on the fence about it or who haven`t heard many of the points in debate on the issue are. You would be wise to grasp that and therefore save yourself from wasting your energy posting in the animal threads I post in. Unless of course, you would like to continue being my sound board. You tell me.

To tell you the truth, I appreciate it when the thread keeps getting bumped up and often I just do not have the time to do it all the time. If you could keep helping to bump it up so that more eyeballs read it and keep the issues in people's minds, I would appreciate it.

I believe in the adage, "out of sight, out of mind." The worse things for animal rights advancement is for the debate to remain "out of mind." Now come on, RSP, keep bumping the threads up to help the animals. But remember, no ad hominem attacks or you may get some more warnings. <snicker snicker>

You eat what you eat and I'll eat what I eat.

It is rather easy to be a "master of the obvious," isn`t it?

Now, be a good boy and don`t forget to keep bumping the thread for eyeballs to keep the hit numbers going up. I am counting on you. It would be nice though if you could offer some debate -- you know with reasoning of some sorts.

[bishop]

i don't understand your criticism against rick...

you're posting on the basis that you expect people to buy into your argument - that our diet of livestock has relevance to the way we treat fellow humans. you suggest that rather than focusing attention on liberating the millions of oppressed human beings, it's a more important and noble task to change our diets.

with an argument like that, the only real debate we can have is to accept or reject it.. you haven't left us with much room to debate any nuances - it's all or nothing as far as i can see.

[RickSp]

You go on at great length and say so close to nothing. Blather and insults is about all you can manage.

Of course, bumping up your threads hardly matters as you are the sort of single issue joke that wanders through from time to time. "Pigs are persons too." Yah right. You mistake debate for endless repetition of your particularly mindless mantra. But your ranting is amusing from time to time. Self absorbed zealots often are. You are so clueless and insulting yet thin skinned. Probably that amino acid deficiency rearing its ugly head again.

[StrongHeartsWin]

Quote by: bishop i don't understand your criticism against rick...

My criticism is only towards his indignance, dismissive, and myopic attitude -- not to mention his propensity to not use reason to support his thoughts and resort to ad hominem comments.

you're posting on the basis that you expect people to buy into your argument - that our diet of livestock has relevance to the way we treat fellow humans.

I put if forth as a suggestion and as a point to examine. I think above I stated that it was interesting that the domestication of humans (i.e. slavery) came after we domesticated animals.

you suggest that rather than focusing attention on liberating the millions of oppressed human beings, it's a more important and noble task to change our diets.

Where did I say it was "more important?" I clearly stated that multi-tasking can be applied to both problems without having to make "importance" of one or the other over the other.

with an argument like that, the only real debate we can have is to accept or reject it.. you haven't left us with much room to debate any nuances - it's all or nothing as far as i can see.

That is because you seem to not understand "multi-tasking." The fight for lessening cruelty to animals can go along simultaneously as the fight for improving the lot of humans. In fact it does. Why do you think it doesn`t or can`t, or why do you think I have suggested it doesn`t or can`t? Go up and look at my comment on "multi-tasking," biship.

What does that word mean to you?

[StrongHeartsWin]

Quote by: RickSp You go on at...

Bingo! I am a prophet!

[bishop]

Quote by: shw My criticism is only towards his indignance, dismissive, and myopic attitude -- not to mention his propensity to not use reason to support his thoughts and resort to ad hominem comments.

sounds like the pot calling the kettle black as far as i'm concerned. i see you working hard to bump up your own meager post count, saying nothing new in each successive post.

you have implied that by eating animals, that is somehow analogous to the way people treat each other. unfortunately, that argument is riddled with holes. take a country where people are treated with kid gloves - sweden... no death penalty, no poverty, tons of social services aimed at helping their fellow countrymen.. and guess what.. the swedes also like to eat their meat. the notion that eating livestock is analogous to humans mistreating each other (i.e. your hollow nazi example) is patently false - unless you are not willing to criticize your own argument through unbiases lenses).

as for your multi-tasking mantra... that supposes that people should care equally for livestock and humans - as if neither is more important than the other. but, if you look at a case like sweden, you can improve human conditions without having to stop eating meat (which is a personal decision).

[StrongHeartsWin]

Quote by: bishop i see you working hard to bump up your own meager post count, saying nothing new in each successive post.

Sadly, when those who pop in can`t address points and arguments, I do find myself repeating them to them. I guess it is like trying to corner a politician with direct questions with the hopes of getting direct answers -- they are hard to catch -- not to mention the revisionism and spin they try to add to their opponents position, like you have done below.

Though, I am not worried about my post count. If you look at the majority of my posts, you will see they are not 1~3 sentence snipes. If I wanted to get my post count up, I`d be posting a lot more. Sorry, bishop, but your analyses doesn`t hold water.

you have implied that by eating animals, that is somehow analogous to the way people treat each other. unfortunately, that argument is riddled with holes.

I have not said it is "analogous." I have suggested that there could be a connection and that I find the possibility of that connection interesting. There is the spin you have tried to apply, or were you merely being misleading. Which one is it?

Something is most definitely "riddeled with holes." I would say it is the ability to comprehend or to accurately copy and paste what has been written. Paraphrasing it though, does make it convenient to being able to distort it.

[bishop]

what a response.. welcome to the ignore list.