Meet Your Meat

[castille]

Hey you PETA people, go lynch lions that eat deer.

Thats right - animals eat each other! Gosh, thats such an atrocity.


I dislike the way they treat the cows and pigs, but well, thats the way humans are. Control freaks, all of em.

Also theres nothing wrong with eating "pets". I've eaten cat before. Did you know in India its terrible to eat their cows? So all you peope who say its wrong to eat cats, then you shouldnt eat beef either since its sacriledge.


P.S. Anyone tried fried tuarantulas? Its the latest in South-East Asia. Never tried it, cockroaches are bad enough, plus fried food is unhealthy for you.

[Man Against Time]

I have no problem with treating a domestic animal like a domestic animal. Treating it like a broken toy that can be rung for another few dollars is quite different though. Im not about to tell sheperds and ranchers that they are wrong for having animals to slaughter and sell or eat. But I will happilly murder every idiot who thinks keeping a cow nailed to the floor in a closet is a good idea.

[stagnant filth]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,)
Hey you PETA people, go lynch lions that eat deer.

Thats right - animals eat each other! Gosh, thats such an atrocity.
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yeah they do .... so then (assuming that eating animals is natural) why dont humans eat a deer or a cow like a lion would. just run up and dig in. if its "natural" for human beings to eat flesh .... then why do we get sick if its not cooked? if you say its natural to eat meat because other animals eat meat .... then eat it like they do. we are the only animals that cook and decorate our meat .... so how then is that natural?

[Impenitent]

steak TAR TAR is delicious...

sick if it isn't cooked? maybe pork or chicken needs to be cooked, beef doesn't, fish don't

and "free range" cattle was decimated long ago... there are no wild herds of buffalo thanks to wide eye

[Man Against Time]

Cattle that walk around outside are free range, dumbass.

[stagnant filth]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
steak TAR TAR is delicious...

sick if it isn't cooked? maybe pork or chicken needs to be cooked, beef doesn't, fish don't
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then why not always just eat it raw? lions, bears, and every other animal that are natural carnivores eat it raw all the time. and how can it be natural to eat chicken and pork then if you have to cook it to keep from becoming ill?

my point here is that if people are going to say "its natural for us to eat meat ... other animals eat meat." then eat it like the natural carnivore does. and just because we are animals doesnt automatically make us carnivores by nature; hippos, giraffes, deer, rabits and elephants are vegetarian by nature. ive actually began reading studies that are showing that our dental configuration more closely matches herbivores than the carnivores.

[Paavo]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
then eat it like the natural carnivore does.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Should we stop using taps for water too? Should we stop cleaning our water and other foods?
If a lion could cook his meat, I'm sure he would.

[stagnant filth]

well a lion is born and hunts meat instinctively(sp?). humans, on the other hand, are brought up (conditioned) to eat meat. if a vegan family raises their child and the kid grows up to be a vegan adult .... how is it natural for us to be carnivores? if it was natural ... then that child would crave meat as instinct.

[Impenitent]

and along that logic... animals don't have bathrooms or wear clothes...

lets all be carrot eating nudists that piss all over each other to mark space...

and animals don't have language either... you best not use language if you truly want to be an animal...

but you want to argue about the nature of the human animal, because you'd lose that argument quick, humans are greedy selfish animals that do whatever is uin their power to do... you wish to impose your will on them and have them eat veggies only? ain't gonna happen... piss and moan all you like, I'll eat my steak bloody and smile in your face while doing it

[stagnant filth]

so you argue that we should eat meat cause we are animals and animals do it .... an now you say we are completely different that animals. pick one.

[stagnant filth]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
I'll eat my steak bloody and smile in your face while doing it<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

thats a rather ignorant and childish comment. its obviously geared to just try to upset me ... when in actuality it doesnt. it just makes me completely dispell any credibility you may have had in this debate.

[Impenitent]

LOL credibility? who needs credibility? I eat meat and I am damn proud of it...

and you can huff and puff and piss and moan and sing the glories of vegetables all day long...

humans are omnivores

if you don't like it, too bad

[stagnant filth]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
LOL credibility? who needs credibility? I eat meat and I am damn proud of it...
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way to be proud of an eating habit ... real accomplishment there. your comments bring nothing to this discussion. your a child behind a computer screen, which gives you a false sense of security. people like you would never say the things that you say on this board in someones face ..... i just think its kinda lame how people try to be all tough or whatever on message boards. how geek is that?

so feel free to continue posting if youd like ... but dont expect a response from me.

[Sean]

Well this topic isn't going anywhere fast, so I'm closing it; if anyone has a problem with that just let me know.

[StrongHeartsWin]

Quote by: stagnant filth Meet Your Meat im not looking for people to argue with me about how wrong i am for caring about animals .... im just trying to give some interested people insight into what goes on before a hamburger is a hamburger.

Why does it seem that most people strongly concerned with animals do not/have not hung around to debate?

Stagnant, I know you are not around anymore, but if you care about animals so much you SHOULD BE seeking out argument in debate form. That is one of the most effective ways to move people and get the word out to those who are ignorant of a lot of the issues on animal treatment -- and believe me -- there are many who are ignorant and also many who have not made up their mind on the issue or may be at a tipping point.

Here you will still see people professing already proven false that "we need meat to survive, flesh eaters are more healthy, etc..." or a number of many other falsehoods that they just swallow without question, not knowing that those objections have been put to rest.

If you want to give incite, then you have to be willing to hang around much longer and make more points than you have. I for one wish you would have and the animals benefit from our willingness to engage -- not disengage after a few exchanges.

I find flesh eaters and their arguments for consuming flesh, to be similar to Biblicists and their arguments for believing in Bible God; once you show a determination to meet them head to head and use REASON, they will eventually disengage first as they are exposed for being without logic/reason. If they remain and profess to use reason, they have to do so by perverting it by making reason prejudicial.

[RickSp]

Hamburgers are probably safer than spinch, regretably as I am very fond of spinach.

Beyond that the amino-acid deprived will argue on endlesly, as they appear to like to hear themselves type.

[BionicArmofDeth]

Take into consideration of how a wolf would eat us if it was starving. We are made with the things we eat. Perhaps we do this in order to take advantage of the fact that the cow has already taken care of digesting grass and things for us and turned them into a complex protein or whatever. If all we did as a species was to eat vegetables, then it would turn us into something different. I mean think about it, it's defintely harder to catch a wild animal in the first place so only those species which are designed to be carnivores get this privilige of eating this complex organism which could be a cow or a chicken.

[StrongHeartsWin]

Quote by: BionicArmofDeth Take into consideration of how a wolf would eat us if it was starving.

Your analogy is flawed because in it the wolf is starving, we are not starving.

We are made with the things we eat. Perhaps we do this in order to take advantage of the fact that the cow has already taken care of digesting grass and things for us and turned them into a complex protein or whatever.

You mean, like the cow is doing us a favor, because they are so happy we cause them to suffer at various stages in our exploitation of them?

Modern man does not need any animal to predigest or produce things for us in order for us to live a healthy lifestyle. Can you show us any nutritionist`s comments or peer reviewed research published in any well respected scientific journal to back up such an assertion?

You are parroting old thoughts on the issue without having researched the topic adequately. You are a good example of what I meant when I posted a few posts above that many people are ignorant (said academically -- not pajoratively) about modern man and his choices for diet.

If all we did as a species was to eat vegetables, then it would turn us into something different.

You mean perhaps a species that doesn`t live in a state of constantly assaulting the ecological systems of the world, or one that doesn`t create make believe beings which give us a "soul" and then causes us to kill for them, or one that didn`t come up with the idea of slavery, or perhaps not prone to so much violence against itself, or a species that doesn`t create monsters in the likes of Hitler, Idi Amin, Stalin, etc...?

Maybe "something different" would not be such a bad thing -- looking at the propensity of our species and the history of the world. With the historical backdrop of man, why do you think our species has been on the right track?

I mean think about it, it's defintely harder to catch a wild animal in the first place so only those species which are designed to be carnivores get this privilige of eating this complex organism which could be a cow or a chicken.

Yes, indeed, BAOD, "think about it." The ability to do something, in our case, the ability to condemn animals to a horrific existence for our pleasure, in no way justifies it. It only highlights the injustice of "might makes right." Is that the prejudicial reasoning you base your argument on?

[underbear1]

I thought this was a duplicate Foley thread................nevermind

[StrongHeartsWin]

Quote by: underbear1 I thought this was a duplicate Foley thread................nevermind

No, just a thread that is focused on the cruel dis-assembly of animals which can suffer, and they do so mightily. Have you seen the video "Meet Your Meat?" It is in the OP. Go up and take a look.

A point to note:

Henry Ford admitted that he got his idea of the "assembly line" after visiting a slaughterhouse. Henry Ford was well respected in Nazi Germany and Ford funneled profits towards publications with anti-semite overtones that became widely popular and disseminated in Germany. Like animals carted to the slaughterhouses in box cars, so to were Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals carted in box cars to death camps that moved their occupants through different stages of dissassembly and death. Treating humans as animals seem to be a precursor to their targeting of violence. Perhaps if animals were not treated as targets for cruel systems, there would not be a standard to set the debasement of humans on.

Quite interesting the animal/slaughterhouse/Ford/assembly line/Nazi Germany/Holocaust connection is. A common thread connects them.

That is what can happen when beings are denied respect. One builds one can build on the other. Why not knock out the foundation of it?