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stagnant filth · Feb 2, 2004, 04:48 pm

its 6th grade science that maps out the difference between plants and animals. but whatever dude .... tell yourself whatever you want to tell yourself to make you feel right about it ... do what you want, its your life. i said from the beginning that i wasnt looking to argue about this. so ill just leave it at that. i no longer feel the need to respond to your comments if they are all geared towards trying to prove me wrong or pick at some error in my personal choices.

Feb 2, 2004, 04:52 pm

And it also maps out the difference between me and a cow, but my point was that you're ignoring these problems with your argument.

stagnant filth · Feb 2, 2004, 04:55 pm

ok cool. FACT: animals live and die in bad ways to become food.

that alone is enough to keep me vegetarian.

Impenitent · Feb 2, 2004, 04:59 pm

FACT: vegetables and fruits live and die in bad ways to become food

anthropormorphic fallacy...

look it up

stagnant filth · Feb 2, 2004, 05:16 pm

so then you eat meat because you dont want to hurt plants?

if not, your post is void. i choose a plant based diet because i didnt want to contribute to what goes on. thanks for being a smartass though. and its actually spelled anthropomorphic ... no r after the "po" .... look it up

Feb 2, 2004, 05:21 pm

umm he's not being a smartass, you did the same thing (you said FACT) trying to condescend to us. Why don't you stop posting, you're obviously not willing to debate. Go somewhere where people are uninformed (they'll say things that will make it easy to make your argument sound better), or you can just go to a 100% vegan site where they'll kiss your ass.

and p.s. don't call people "smartass" if you're going to correct someone's mere spelling-you should actually look up the term Ad Hominem

stagnant filth · Feb 2, 2004, 05:27 pm

and the majority of the world certainly isnt uniform on the issue of eating meat?

Feb 2, 2004, 05:30 pm

lol..uniform? I said UN INFORMED..like not being aware. Like I said...stop posting if you're not going to read into other opinions at all. Read what I said again, and look up Ad Hominem

stagnant filth · Feb 2, 2004, 05:43 pm

may i ask what any of this has to do with the very first original post i made? are you trying to say im wrong for eating meat .... have i said that you were wrong for eating it? im simply stating why i dont eat it. did you even watch the video?

i said i wasnt looking to argue over this ... its more than pointless. you are not going to convince me to eat meat .... im not going to convince you not too (im not trying to). simply state what you thought of the video and leave it at that.

Feb 2, 2004, 05:46 pm

but then why did you travel so far into this argument? You tried to convince me by using a video. One way or another you had intentions, but since you don't answer questions when you mess up, we're done here.

stagnant filth · Feb 2, 2004, 05:49 pm

what are you talking about? i didnt present a video to convince you of anything ... i presented a video to let "uninformed" people become informed. i appologize for messing up and getting irritated ... but this argument is very cliche and stale in my life. its something i have to deal with everytime i go somewhere to eat with people. id be more than happy to continue discussing this if we can swith into civil mode.

Feb 2, 2004, 05:51 pm

Please quote me where I was not civil. I was simply asking you questions, and answering yours.

stagnant filth · Feb 2, 2004, 05:59 pm

civil in conversation .... to me it seems that your sole purpose of posting on this thread is to try to make me see ignorant or to prove me wrong ... which there is no point in since the topic is something of personal choice. if i am wrong, i appologize .... but thats how you have come across.

Feb 2, 2004, 06:07 pm

What's wrong with being proven wrong? Perhaps it will help you to understand why other people make their own choices (not saying you don't, but you were being quite unrealistic at the begining of the post). It won't make you eat meat, but it will help you understand why other people do it. You seemed to think poor people would be better off without meat, and with grain-that's an argument as far as I can see.

Conversation is ussually contrast, and to convince me that you have a right to have your opinion you've gotta be convincing. Otherwise your just wasting my time. And yes, you do have to prove your opinion despite what the kindergarten teachers tell us.

I'm done, so you can say something if you want, but it's done :) Good luck to you and maybe you'll post an argument that you recognize as an argument, so it'll be a little more interesting? It's hard to get what you want from a topic if you post a video with very little explaination right?

stagnant filth · Feb 2, 2004, 06:12 pm

you say that i misread what you say but you do the same to me. i never said poor people would be better off eating grains than meat. i posted a statistic that shows that if we all took advantage of soybeans and grains .... (instead of trying to fatten up a cow) .... there would be less world hunger. as blind to opposition as you think i may be .... you are equaly blind.

Man Against Time · Feb 2, 2004, 11:20 pm

One of the problems here is the flawed assumption that because "a man has a right to an opinion," absolutely shameful and destructive opinions that approve of an animal being built and bred for a black hole in the wall are tolerable and should not be punishable by death. Yes, I would murder every last idiot who thinks this is a swell idea. No, that does not mean meat is wrong. Killing a deer, or herding a sheep, are different than locking an animal in a dark coffin for 2 years. Zero room for debate, zero room for tolerance, I would very simply murder every last idiot that ever even once thought for three seconds that this was an acceptable thing to do.

Feb 2, 2004, 11:32 pm

I guess eventually you'd have to start placing people in black boxes for two years because there'd be so many people to kill.

Suburbanite · Feb 3, 2004, 01:22 am

What about free range cattle and free range birds?

stagnant filth · Feb 3, 2004, 02:00 am

im pretty sure even if i knew they had a good life and they died of old age ... i wouldnt be able to eat a dead animal. its just gross to me .... but hey, thats just me.

Suburbanite · Feb 3, 2004, 06:30 am

haha, I'm not asking about you! lol
I wondered what their condition was like; I should have been more specific.
I personally don’t mind eating animals if they aren’t treated like such shit. This video really got to me though.

Feb 2, 2004, 04:59 pm	#24 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	FACT: vegetables and fruits live and die in bad ways to become food anthropormorphic fallacy... look it up "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 2, 2004, 11:20 pm	#36 (permalink) (top)
Man Against Time Molten Ash Location: NJ Posts: 113	One of the problems here is the flawed assumption that because "a man has a right to an opinion," absolutely shameful and destructive opinions that approve of an animal being built and bred for a black hole in the wall are tolerable and should not be punishable by death. Yes, I would murder every last idiot who thinks this is a swell idea. No, that does not mean meat is wrong. Killing a deer, or herding a sheep, are different than locking an animal in a dark coffin for 2 years. Zero room for debate, zero room for tolerance, I would very simply murder every last idiot that ever even once thought for three seconds that this was an acceptable thing to do. "Die! Fall upon your sword. Fall upon your knee. Die like your Son, nailed to his Tree. Die by my hand. Die in my heart, plucked from the Ice; forever cold."

Feb 2, 2004, 04:48 pm	#21 (permalink) (top)
stagnant filth Sedimentary Rock Posts: 24	its 6th grade science that maps out the difference between plants and animals. but whatever dude .... tell yourself whatever you want to tell yourself to make you feel right about it ... do what you want, its your life. i said from the beginning that i wasnt looking to argue about this. so ill just leave it at that. i no longer feel the need to respond to your comments if they are all geared towards trying to prove me wrong or pick at some error in my personal choices.

Feb 2, 2004, 04:52 pm	#22 (permalink) (top)
dotComa Guest Posts: n/a	And it also maps out the difference between me and a cow, but my point was that you're ignoring these problems with your argument.

Feb 2, 2004, 04:55 pm	#23 (permalink) (top)
stagnant filth Sedimentary Rock Posts: 24	ok cool. FACT: animals live and die in bad ways to become food. that alone is enough to keep me vegetarian.

Feb 2, 2004, 05:16 pm	#25 (permalink) (top)
stagnant filth Sedimentary Rock Posts: 24	so then you eat meat because you dont want to hurt plants? if not, your post is void. i choose a plant based diet because i didnt want to contribute to what goes on. thanks for being a smartass though. and its actually spelled anthropomorphic ... no r after the "po" .... look it up

Feb 2, 2004, 05:21 pm	#26 (permalink) (top)
dotComa Guest Posts: n/a	umm he's not being a smartass, you did the same thing (you said FACT) trying to condescend to us. Why don't you stop posting, you're obviously not willing to debate. Go somewhere where people are uninformed (they'll say things that will make it easy to make your argument sound better), or you can just go to a 100% vegan site where they'll kiss your ass. and p.s. don't call people "smartass" if you're going to correct someone's mere spelling-you should actually look up the term Ad Hominem

Feb 2, 2004, 05:27 pm	#27 (permalink) (top)
stagnant filth Sedimentary Rock Posts: 24	and the majority of the world certainly isnt uniform on the issue of eating meat?

Feb 2, 2004, 05:30 pm	#28 (permalink) (top)
dotComa Guest Posts: n/a	lol..uniform? I said UN INFORMED..like not being aware. Like I said...stop posting if you're not going to read into other opinions at all. Read what I said again, and look up Ad Hominem

Feb 2, 2004, 05:43 pm	#29 (permalink) (top)
stagnant filth Sedimentary Rock Posts: 24	may i ask what any of this has to do with the very first original post i made? are you trying to say im wrong for eating meat .... have i said that you were wrong for eating it? im simply stating why i dont eat it. did you even watch the video? i said i wasnt looking to argue over this ... its more than pointless. you are not going to convince me to eat meat .... im not going to convince you not too (im not trying to). simply state what you thought of the video and leave it at that.

Feb 2, 2004, 05:46 pm	#30 (permalink) (top)
dotComa Guest Posts: n/a	but then why did you travel so far into this argument? You tried to convince me by using a video. One way or another you had intentions, but since you don't answer questions when you mess up, we're done here.

Feb 2, 2004, 05:49 pm	#31 (permalink) (top)
stagnant filth Sedimentary Rock Posts: 24	what are you talking about? i didnt present a video to convince you of anything ... i presented a video to let "uninformed" people become informed. i appologize for messing up and getting irritated ... but this argument is very cliche and stale in my life. its something i have to deal with everytime i go somewhere to eat with people. id be more than happy to continue discussing this if we can swith into civil mode.

Feb 2, 2004, 05:51 pm	#32 (permalink) (top)
dotComa Guest Posts: n/a	Please quote me where I was not civil. I was simply asking you questions, and answering yours.

Feb 2, 2004, 05:59 pm	#33 (permalink) (top)
stagnant filth Sedimentary Rock Posts: 24	civil in conversation .... to me it seems that your sole purpose of posting on this thread is to try to make me see ignorant or to prove me wrong ... which there is no point in since the topic is something of personal choice. if i am wrong, i appologize .... but thats how you have come across.

Feb 2, 2004, 06:07 pm	#34 (permalink) (top)
dotComa Guest Posts: n/a	What's wrong with being proven wrong? Perhaps it will help you to understand why other people make their own choices (not saying you don't, but you were being quite unrealistic at the begining of the post). It won't make you eat meat, but it will help you understand why other people do it. You seemed to think poor people would be better off without meat, and with grain-that's an argument as far as I can see. Conversation is ussually contrast, and to convince me that you have a right to have your opinion you've gotta be convincing. Otherwise your just wasting my time. And yes, you do have to prove your opinion despite what the kindergarten teachers tell us. I'm done, so you can say something if you want, but it's done :) Good luck to you and maybe you'll post an argument that you recognize as an argument, so it'll be a little more interesting? It's hard to get what you want from a topic if you post a video with very little explaination right?

Feb 2, 2004, 06:12 pm	#35 (permalink) (top)
stagnant filth Sedimentary Rock Posts: 24	you say that i misread what you say but you do the same to me. i never said poor people would be better off eating grains than meat. i posted a statistic that shows that if we all took advantage of soybeans and grains .... (instead of trying to fatten up a cow) .... there would be less world hunger. as blind to opposition as you think i may be .... you are equaly blind.

Feb 2, 2004, 11:32 pm	#37 (permalink) (top)
dotComa Guest Posts: n/a	I guess eventually you'd have to start placing people in black boxes for two years because there'd be so many people to kill.

Feb 3, 2004, 01:22 am	#38 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	What about free range cattle and free range birds?

Feb 3, 2004, 02:00 am	#39 (permalink) (top)
stagnant filth Sedimentary Rock Posts: 24	im pretty sure even if i knew they had a good life and they died of old age ... i wouldnt be able to eat a dead animal. its just gross to me .... but hey, thats just me.

Feb 3, 2004, 06:30 am	#40 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	haha, I'm not asking about you! lol I wondered what their condition was like; I should have been more specific. I personally don’t mind eating animals if they aren’t treated like such shit. This video really got to me though.