MISSION: brainwash teens!!

[FIFI]

I was researching the Day of Silence for my school, and stumbled across many articals speaking of the group Mission America. Interested, I began to read their view of homosexuality, and was absolutly appaled! This "INFORMATION" was posted in the "teens" section, and was slandering, mis-informitive and down-right WRONG in the statistics they gave! The remander of the site tried to quote that if you were a "good" person of faith, than you believed everything that website stated. It told students at highschool to be careful of those who practice "un-healthy sexual practices" for they would try to persuade you and if you experiment, you would get a life threatening incureable disease. No matter what.

Heres the link: http://choice4truth.com/pledge2.htm

Ug. I seriously dislike people who lie and misconstrue information for their perpose!

1.) WOMEN OF HETEROSEXUAL PRACTICES are the #1 CARRIERS of HIV / AIDS (according to the surgon general 2003-2004 numbers)

2.) Homosexuality is NOT CUREABLE!! I mean, we can argue till we all drop dead, but I highly doubt that shock treatments cure you of your sexual identity.

3.) I doubt that a high school Gay-Straight Alliance has a homosexual agenda to take OVER THERE SCHOOL and BRAIN WASH other students to their point of view!

[bishop]

i've always seen the biggest problem to these anti-sex nazis as being their complete opposition to talking about birth control.. when you don't talk about birth control, you end up with loads of heterosexual women with aids.

[FIFI]

True. Something as simple as a rubber could save alot of lives. Is that what you ment when you said birth control??

[PatrickHenry]

Ok, FIFI. You are young and inexperienced. I am an old guy with a long life of knowing all kinds of people. Some of the homos I have known were so conflicted they were miserable. Those folks don't have to stay homosexual. There are ways out. The article you objected to referred to some of the orgs that seek to ease a transition to being straight for those who don't want to be homosexual. Don't get upset over this. If all your homo friends are happy, then good. But the ones that are conflicted will find that a straight life is a lot easier, more respected and accepted by mass society. Why be angry over a group that extends some information (one sided as it may be)?

[bishop]

yeah fifi.. condoms.

the reason why i said "birth control", though, is because the abstinence-only crowd doesn't want to talk about ANY of them.. not the pill, not condoms, nothing except abstinence..

just look at what jesse helms did - blocking condom donations to africa while aids was on the rampage.


pat.. i've had a couple gay friends who were also unhappy.. honestly, it has to do with the fact that they couldn't maintain their relationships, than them being gay. i've known many heterosexuals who were equally unhappy, because they too couldn't maintain a long term relationship. plus, maybe some of these heterosexuals were conflicted about their own sexuality?

[bendyfriend]

I blame the japanese! They are the reason for all the worlds problems ( so do gays but im not talking about them now) All the're nationalist "lets kill america" vibe really pisses me off. who agrees?

[bendyfriend]

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[G. Adams]

Quote by: bendyfriend I blame the japanese! They are the reason for all the worlds problems ( so do gays but im not talking about them now) All the're nationalist "lets kill america" vibe really pisses me off. who agrees?

In what way are Japan responsible for the worlds problems?

Most Japanese people I've met are quietly nationalistic, not the jumped jingoistic arses I meet from most other countries. Like say....you.

[castille]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Some of the homos I have known were so conflicted they were miserable. Those folks don't have to stay homosexual. There are ways out.

You don't have to stay Christian either. There's ways out too. Just become a satanist.

I was actually kind of anti-gay until I met Christians.

[Lou Minotti]

when you don't talk about birth control, you end up with loads of heterosexual women with aids.

I agree talking about important stuff is important but where are these "loads of heterosexual women with AIDS"?

[Matt W]

Try Africa, for starters.

[Lou Minotti]

That's a pretty big can of worms. Let's stick to America. Where are all these women? (woman using needles don't count).

[Matt W]

Took a bit of digging, but here we are...

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/aidsstat.htm

[Lou Minotti]

what do you think of this?:
http://members.aol.com/mpwright9/aids12.html

Prominent in the repertoire of tactics for spreading fear of AIDS within the general U.S. public has been to trumpet the claim that AIDS in Africa is caused primarily by heterosexual sex. In March 1993, AIDS speaker Khepra NuRa Khem, employed by Planned Parenthood, was hosted by the University of Oklahoma. At the event he distributed a flyer which created the impression that it was about the American population, since it cited the U.S. CDC as its source of information.1 Among the claims on the flyer were these: "Sex between men and women is the most common cause of HIV infection." "More than 1 million people contracted HIV in 1992, 90% through heterosexual intercourse." Neither claim is justified, but the second one is a glaring outrage. In 1993, the official CDC estimate was that there were only 1 million Americans infected since the virus was believed to have started spreading in the late 70s.2 The underlying basis for these claims was his reliance upon officially-promoted disinformation about Africa. The party line about heterosexual AIDS in Africa is generally stated in this fashion: "since it is happening there, it can happen also in the USA." For numerous reasons, this should not be taken seriously. One fact to consider is that homosexuality is not out in the open in most African societies, and for this reason official statistics conceal the true extent to which male-to-male sex accounts for HIV transmission. Those who engage in homosexual behavior are not likely to admit it. Khepra NuRa Khem offered his audience the opinion that there is no such thing as "safe sex," but that some behaviors are "less risky" than others. He included "shared erotic fantasy" on his list of "less risky" options. Upon questioning, he failed to explain how shared erotic fantasy could perform as a transmission path for HIV. Presumably, those hearing his message are expected always to include condoms in their shared erotic fantasies, and to limit their number of partners for such activities. In 1990 I was told by a public health physician from Zaire that there was no homosexuality in his nation's capital. This denial is useful only for explaining why heterosexual sex is officially blamed for African AIDS. Without reliable survey data about the extent to which anal intercourse is practiced in Africa by homosexuals and heterosexuals, there is no basis for concluding that vaginal sex has been a significant HIV transmitter on that continent. Official AIDS information brochures sometimes claim that open sores and lesions caused by other untreated sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) can facilitate the entry of HIV into the bloodstream. If vaginal sex is a true significant transmitter of HIV in Africa, an important underlying cause would be found in the insufficient treatment of other STDs associated with general conditions of poverty and poorly developed public health services. In 1988 Robert Gould, a psychiatrist and faculty member of the New York Medical College, addressed the African situation by describing such practices as surgical excision of the clitoris and sewing up the vaginas of young girls to ensure chastity. This mutilation permanently weakens and scars the genital tissues, and leads to tearing and lacerations during intercourse. The result facilitates the direct entry of semen into the bloodstream. He also pointed out that blood transfusions are not screened in Africa and anal sex is used as a method of contraception. "In addition," he wrote, "50% of the African men who have contracted AIDS also have venereal disease." 3 Other critics say that AIDS in Africa is simply a new name for old diseases endemic to Africa and accounted for by such factors as poverty, malnutrition, inadequate delivery of health services, and deficient public sanitation. African officials rely upon the World Health Organization AIDS definition, which does not even require an HIV test.4 The extremely flexible WHO definition is merely a list of "signs and symptoms" such as weight loss, diarrhea, and fever. An African patient can become an AIDS statistic if (1) a doctor notices "two major signs associated with at least one minor sign," and (2) he chooses not to attribute the illness to other causes such as cancer or severe malnutrition. African physicians usually don't make this choice. The reason, as pointed out by Celia Farber describing her findings from a trip to Africa, is that every diagnosed AIDS case converts to money in the hands of African health agencies.5 Financial assistance for AIDS is distributed to different countries by WHO on a capitation basis: more cases attract more dollars. In the British Medical Journal, Charles Gilks reported his study of case histories diagnosed as AIDS in Nairobi. His conclusion was that only 30% of them would be considered AIDS cases by CDC criteria in the US. He also concluded that the WHO definition was "inherently unworkable and incorrect." 6 The application of this definition in Africa has provided major support for the construction of the fraudulent statistics used to frighten heterosexual Americans.

[bendyfriend]

wait a minute, what is this all about, agian, i remeber i was talking about me not liking the japanese a lot. which i always do. so can i like get a recap and stuff.

[bendyfriend]

oooohhhhhhhhh, i never knew you really could have sex with another guy... thats just sick. like i say a lot too. I hate gay people,and i wish they all went away and started a bunch of colonies somewhere, away from all the straight people. like Lezbonia and Faggotonia. so they have no kids and they all die, and they cant carry on, voila, a world without gays, without going through the tedious process of building a huge meat grinder and throwing all the gays in it.
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Down with gays, Down with Japan

[FIFI]

Bendyfriend. Truely you cannot hate everyone who disagrees with any of your views? Not only is this a ridiculous way to spent life, but it is also a waste of a thread space. I don't care if you dont agree with me, or anyone for that matter, but stop being offensive in what should be a discussion.

[ericsp23]

Fifi,
Just ignore him. He's a troll.

[Sean]

banned.

[FIFI]

I should have recognized the signs. I am in highschool!
Thank you for banning him Sean. I was disappointed that someone would speak that way on a normally friendly debate site. Now, back to the topic....

I dont believe that the purpse of this website was to help those who felt the need to change their sexual ways into a more accepted one. They truely believe that homosexuality, bisexuality, and being transgendered is a disease. The cure you may ask? Well I emailed them and asked, politely I may add, and they said that everyone is sent to a "center" of summer camp, where they recieve phycological analisis and treatment with drugs, therapy (etc) whatever it takes.

ug.. thats just sick.