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Old Jan 31, 2004, 12:48 pm   #1 (permalink) (top)
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The nazis thought so, but what do you think?


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Old Jan 31, 2004, 03:15 pm   #2 (permalink) (top)
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I think you are nuts.
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Old Jan 31, 2004, 03:20 pm   #3 (permalink) (top)
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I don't actually think you are nuts. Just disturbed.

First you have to consider the number of Jews in the world. Then compare that to the rest of us. How could such a small number, take over unless we allowed it to happen? That may be where the real problem is.

There is one thing though, that is most important to remember, when one starts out on this Jew thing. They are masters of money. They either have it or know how to get it and how to make it work to their advantage.

So, if money rules, or at least buys power, the Jews have a step ahead of the rest of us.
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Old Jan 31, 2004, 04:53 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
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The Jews in no way control the world. I highly doubt Hitler himself even thought they did. Modern White Nationalists and National Socialist don't think Jews control the world; they think Jews have a massive influence on the world.
If, racially, people were broken up according to these people, everyone who is not white would be under them in the sociological scale of things. However, on the top of those lists is not White Aryans as you would have thought, but White Jews. These Jews, few in numbers, are, according to these people, a plague upon the rest of the White race. They don't think similarly, they are better educated, their relationships with family are even deeper, they are better lovers, better bankers, better businessmen, better scientists, and the list goes on. Per Capita Jews make up the single most educated group of people on the planet. That pisses the White Nationalists off because Jews are non-traditionalists, a fundamental cultural flaw in the rest of white society.
The Jewish cultural influence is significant. The influence is visible in many liberal policies and is now even visible in this newer wave of conservative policies. Jews are not hated because they are Capitalists or because they are Bolsheviks, they are hated because whatever they are not only are they good at, but they have significant ability to completely change that.
Do Jews control the world? God no, they are just REALLY REALLY good at influencing it. I simply don't see that as a bad thing.
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Old Jan 31, 2004, 09:05 pm   #5 (permalink) (top)
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Jews are just very good at surviving.

Think about it: everyone beats on the Jews, and somehow they manage to prosper.


People who become rich or succeed are often discriminated against (especially if they are racially or culturally different). Mainly because of jealousy: "Why are the Jews so rich while I'm so poor, even though I'm part of the Master Race of America?".

It happens everywhere; riots happen all the time in Indonesia against wealthy Chinese people.

Governments have a tough time; on one hand they have to appease their people, on the other hand the Jews support a good deal of the economy. Spain expelled the Jews during the 1500s, and they went bankrupt as a result.


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Old Jan 31, 2004, 11:53 pm   #6 (permalink) (top)
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Somehow? There is no somehow about it. Why the Jews are so successful is pretty evident. There is no mystery behind it.
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Old Feb 1, 2004, 12:11 am   #7 (permalink) (top)
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Ever heard of The Protocols of the Learned Elders of ZION?
(Aside: It is interesting to note that the majority of Jews in the world today do not have a blood relation with the Jewish nation as we know it from the Bible, but are from Eastern Europe, where the faith was chosen and adopted by a growing ancient nation through their ruler to try and bind the kingdom together... I think it is today's Bosnia?)

Rather surprising is the fact that the Protocols are relatively unknown after all these years since they came to light. Read and reflect a little- it just might put a few question marks in your accepted POV regarding the whole Middle East situation... not to mention the Nazi purges against the Jews)

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm
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Old Feb 1, 2004, 12:52 am   #8 (permalink) (top)
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Here is another ultra surprising thing(to me at least)- about the Zionist-American brown necking... Note I am not merely saying "Israel-American"!

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[ ]Although the term "Noahide Laws" is not widely known, it is fairly common knowledge among the political and religious powermongers, allegedly representing "holy writ" passed along to the (mythical) Noah prior to the "Great Flood." According to some, these Laws are to be the basis of the One World Religion being pushed by the "Committee of 300's" New World Order. That the New World Order - which has been been plotted by a variety of peoples for centuries - currently has a strong Judaic aspect is evidenced by such comments as the following from The American Hebrew, Sept. 10, 1920:
"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish Dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose work is to create a NEW ORDER in the WORLD. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction and by Jewish planning, shall also through the same Jewish mental and physical forces become a reality all over the world." (Emphasis added)
The supremacist intentions are also displayed by the Temple Mount & Eretz Yisrael Faithful Movement - Jerusalem, a supposed "fringe group" (with Knesset connections) that advocates as one of its long-term objectives:
"Consecrating the Temple Mount to the Name of G-d so that it can become the moral and spiritual center of Israel, of the Jewish people and of the entire world according to the words of all the Hebrew prophets. It is envisioned that the consecration of the Temple Mount and the Temple itself will focus Israel on (a) fulfilling the vision and mission given at Mt. Sinai for Israel to be a chosen people separate unto G-d, a holy nation, and a nation of priests, and (b) becoming a light unto all the nations [Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 42:6] so that the Name of G-d may be revered by all nations and the Biblical way of life may be propagated throughout the world."
The Temple Mount Faithful group claim that the United States was "founded by G-d to stand with Israel against her enemies . . . " It further asserts that anyone who moves against Israel is "anti-G-d"; Israel and "her people" are essentially equated with God, but all others are not. Another quote from Temple Mount Faithful: "No one can stop the G-d of Israel."

Providing strong evidence of such a Judaicly based New World Order/One World Religion, on March 26, 1991, U.S. President George Bush signed Public Law 102-14, a congressional resolution on the Seven Noahide Laws (H.J. Resolution 104, Public Law 102-14). Prior to that event, as Val Valerian says, "The bill was passed in the House by a voice vote on March 5, 1991 and was passed by the Senate on March 7, 1991." The Proclamation was as follows:
"Whereas Congress recognized the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which our great Nation was founded;
"Whereas these ethical principles have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization when they were referred to as the Seven Noahide Laws;
"Whereas without these ethical values and principles the edifice of civilization stand in serious peril of returning to chaos;
"Whereas society is profoundly concerned with the recent weakening of these principles that has resulted in crises that beleaguer and threaten the fabric of civilized society;
"Whereas the justified preoccupation with these crises must not let the citizens of the Nation lose sight of their responsibility to transmit these historical ethical values from our distinguished past to the generations of the future;
"Whereas the Lubavitch movement has fostered and promoted these ethical values and principles throughout the world;
"Whereas Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, leader of the Lubavitch movement, is universally respected and revered and his eighty-ninth birthday falls on March 26, 1991;
"Whereas in tribute to this great spiritual leader, 'the rebbe,' this his ninetieth year will be seen as one of 'education and giving,' the year in which we turn education and charity to return the world to the moral and ethical values contained in the Seven Noahide Laws; and
"Whereas this will be reflected in an international scroll of honor signed by the President of the United States and other heads of state; Now, therefore, be it
"Resolved by the Senate and the House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That March 26, 1991, the start of the ninetieth year of Rabbi Menachem Schneerson, leader of the worldwide Lubavitch movement, is designated as 'EDUCATION DAY U.S.A.' The President is requested to issue a proclamation calling upon the people of the United States to observe such day with appropriate ceremonies and activities."
What are the Noahide Laws?
The Noahide Laws are said to be from the "Bible," but evidently are Talmudic. The Encyclopedia Americana relates concerning the Noahide Laws:
"A Jewish Talmudic designation for seven biblical laws given to Adam and to Noah before the revelation to Moses on Mt Sinai and consequently binding all mankind. Beginning with Genesis 2:16, the Babylonian Talmud listed the first six commandments...After the flood a seventh commandment, given-to Noah, forbade the eating of flesh from living animals (Genesis 9:4). Throughout the ages scholars have viewed the Noahide Laws as a link between Judaism and Christianity, as universal norms of ethical conduct, as a basic concept of international law, or as a guarantee of fundamental human rights for all."
In Matrix III, Val Valerian says:
" . . . the Noahide Laws apply only to non-Jews living under Jewish jurisdiction. Interestingly, Webster's Dictionary, New International Edition 2nd Ed 1950, states that a Noachite is 'one who has taken the 21st degree of the Scottish Rite (Freemasonry).'"
As noted, the punishment for breaking these Laws is decapitation. Valerian wonders:
"In discussing this curious sociological development, I was reminded of the stories that have been going around for the past three or four years about shipments of guillotines into the United States. A connection?"
Valerian further quotes a "Dr. Earnest Easterly, III, Professor of International Law and Director of the Institute for Comparative Legal Studies, Southern University Law Center," as saying:
"With further recognition by other nations and international courts, the Seven Noahide Laws should become the cornerstone of a truly 'civilized' international legal order."
There have been a number of calls lately for the the "establishment of justice" based on the "seven mitzvot of the children of Noah," which are claimed to be "universal." In essence, Judeo-centric writers and leaders wish to impose the Noahide Laws upon the rest of the world. In fact, those who do not follow the "Seven Commandments of Noah" are considered to be "lower than the mosquito." [ ]

Check it out:

http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/7laws.html


Now you may say "Conspiracy theorists of the world unite", but remembering the controlling interests in world wide media, I for one, am really getting a strong smell from where I'm standing...

(For the "real" conspiracy theorist believers, and for all others a peek at the anti-Jewish crowd: What the hell for are the USA coalition in Iraq, if NOT for WMDs? Have you seen the Jewish connections with the USA's war machine? LOL!
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/04/64104.html )
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Old Feb 1, 2004, 01:00 am   #9 (permalink) (top)
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Yes, and I am a senior member of the Illuminati taking over the world with FEMA, ALDA, DEDA, NAZI, and ABBA.


I dont see what religion has to do with taking over the world. Religion as a political tool was discarded during the mid-1800s when Europe realised beating each other up for religion was stupid.

Jews are a religion, not a people. Adam Sandler is a Jew, but he doesnt act like one.


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Old Feb 1, 2004, 01:10 am   #10 (permalink) (top)
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If the Hassidic Jewish Movement has its way, the so-called Noahide Laws would be followed to the letter, as would many others found in the "Old Testament," prescribing capital punishment for abortion, euthanasia and "sexual deviation" such as adultery and homosexuality. The punishment, in fact, for breaking any of the Noahide Laws is decapitation.

The previous and above quotes are from here:

http://www.truthbeknown.com/theocracy.htm
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Old Feb 1, 2004, 01:20 am   #11 (permalink) (top)
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Castille wrote:
I dont see what religion has to do with taking over the world. Religion as a political tool was discarded during the mid-1800s when Europe realised beating each other up for religion was stupid.

Jews are a religion, not a people. Adam Sandler is a Jew, but he doesnt act like one.


> Well, if my postings cannot assist you to make such a connection, at least in speculation, you must be Jewish yourself, or have another personal agenda which prevents it.

It is like stating Communism collapsed along with the USSR, so there are no communist ideologists left...
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Old Feb 1, 2004, 03:35 am   #12 (permalink) (top)
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Unfortunately castille, Judaism is not simply a religion. Israel was fought for by Zionists (Atheist Jews). Judaism is about culture and family, it has an ethnic connection.
And Mr. Highwayman the illuminati scare might make you feel that you are someone not a blind sheep as the rest of us are, but it is just paranoia compounded on by few facts and connections to corruption.
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Old Feb 1, 2004, 09:14 am   #13 (permalink) (top)
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Hi Suburbanite
Zionists are not ALL "Atheist Jews"- which is a contradiction in terms anyway, since Jews imply the cultural religious group. "Nationalist Jews" perhaps?

No, I am not a paranoid conspiracy theorist, looking over my shoulder all the time.

Hence the particular way in which I addressed my readers: "For the "real" conspiracy theorist believers, and for all others a peek at the anti-Jewish crowd"

All I wanted to do was contribute a few interesting factual items to the topic. The reference to "Illuminati" was in a quote- not in my words, so please don't jump to conclusions based on that. I will not judge you a devil worshipper if you quote Crowley.
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Old Feb 1, 2004, 10:42 am   #14 (permalink) (top)
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I agree with Castille. Jews are a religion and not a people, but the word jew has come to have a new meaning in this era. You look at all the people that say Im jewish, or Im chrisitan, and then ask them about their faith, most can't tell you very much. Are they still jewish just because their parents were. I don't really have an answer for that but someone might.

And as for The Protocols of the Learned Elders of ZION, it serves a crucial role in the personal growth of any heartfelt anti-semite. The book is a long diatribe, exposing the nefarious tactics and goals of a clandestine multinational Jewish cabal that secretly rules the world (in partnership with the Freemasons). However, the only people I suspect will touch it are those self-respecting opponents of zionism, and for them it's a must read. The book outlines an insidious Jewish plot for global conquest, which involves subverting whole cultures, manipulating world economic markets, instigating wars... pretty much your run-of-the-mill supervillainy.


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Old Feb 1, 2004, 10:44 am   #15 (permalink) (top)
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Out of curiousity, is anyone here an anti-semite?


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Old Feb 1, 2004, 11:34 am   #16 (permalink) (top)
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everybody wants to rule the world...

jews, europeans, christians, moslems, pacifists, communists, socialists, americans... the list of groups is endless...

how do you do it? with big guns...

how do you stop it? with bigger guns...


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insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...
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Old Feb 1, 2004, 04:55 pm   #17 (permalink) (top)
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As I understand it, Hebrews are an ancient people and their language. Jews were part of a scattered group of people, whose religion is Judaism, and who trace their descent from the ancient Hebrews. There were also Israelites. Perhaps these are the tribes of Israel.

I am not an anti-semite.
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Old Feb 1, 2004, 05:30 pm   #18 (permalink) (top)
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I'm not an anti-Semite. In fact, I am Jewish (Culturally, haha). And yes, I do define myself as Jewish because I was reared differently than white non-Jews in the same environment, I think, act, and respond differently. I was brought up on different ideals and with different opinions.
I can say without hesitation that if there is a plan, I have not been let in on it. I think the Jewish people have done things to instigate war, effectively influence the economy, and everything else. However, I don't think it is a massive Jewish plot, but instead and individual one. We are not to unlike the rest of the world in those regards. Clearly the Jewish "plot" has failed because the world as ran by non-Jews. Our small population is simply latching on for the ride.
Sorry Highwayman for jumping on you. I am just overly skeptical of such things. I would hate to find out they were true, but like I said, I don’t doubt most of them. I would hate even more to find out I personally was apart of something so megalomaniacal as this because it is against my very nature as a human being.
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Old Feb 2, 2004, 02:38 am   #19 (permalink) (top)
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Hi Suburbanite
No problem. I was actually ready to get sarcastic myself- it is a sad reflection on part of the web milieu that to out-insult one another is par for the course...

I am an ex-South African, and as such we have always had a kind of kinship with the Israelis- both countries had a relatively small ethnic minority in a hostile environment, as well as world opinion against them.

History has it that the white South Africans surrendered power to try and save the country from becoming something that Israel is now heading towards: A kind of militaristic security zone with Berlin-like walls and barbed wire everywhere, soldiers and military service and guns everywhere, with terrorism a part of daily life. Who the hell wants to live like that?

I don't understand why a kind of ethnic tolerant system cannot be set up there which will allow both Israeli and Palestinian to live without trying to kill each other...

Anyway, the whole spiel about these conspiracy things are that there is very little anybody can do about it- except be aware, and perhaps try and protest things like the fundamentalist Noahide laws becoming the norm. I appreciate the fact that we should all try and support a morality which would be best for society- only I think we have come a long way towards a little enlightenment- and away f5rom fundamentalist traditional dogma. We don't stone unmarried mothers to death. We dont chop thiefs hands off. We dont stone homosexuals of any sex to death. We allow people to divorce when they made a mistake.

And we don't want to go back to the inquisition type religious rule like they have in sharia Muslim countries.

Somewhere, somehow there should be a watchdog to ensure freedoms and equilities and enlightened views are never rolled back.

I just think religion is a perfect tool should any ideology want to further itself...
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I appreciate your heart felt sentiments. I am wondering however if you have me mistaken for an Israeli, or someone who is in support of them? Perhaps I am wrong here, but the demeanor in which you were addressing Israel was as if I believed otherwise. I genuinely agree, though Israel is quite honestly something I see of very little relevance. To me, Israel is the Michael Jackson story of world news. It is so trivial yet so glamorized and exploited. There hasn’t been a problem pushed this close to explosion before, and I regret accepting that inevitably the tension will over boil, but it will, and this attention Israel and Palestine have gotten is going to make that explosion ten times larger.
Comparing Israel to South Africa was a good analogy. Imagine if South Africa had gotten the entire would to start pairing off, who supports which side in this racial battle. Say half of the Westernized world supported one side, and another half supported another. These sides pushing and pulling at the issue from all ends, tearing apart everyone involved until neither side of the issue had any credibility. Half the world condemning terrorist acts, the other half supporting it. Half the world condemning oppression, and the other half supporting it. Israel is no South Africa, not any more. Israel has become the most pivotal point for world events to come for decades. And when that explosion happens, it won’t just be Israelis and Palestinians; it will be the whole world.
It is too late to want peace in Israel, any chance with that has been gone since the Oslo Accords, maybe even earlier. It doesn’t matter who agrees with whom or which side is right at this point. All the matters is the issue is put to a stand still before that explosion.
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