Are Jews Trying To Rule The World?

[Athena]

As long as Christians accept the God of Abraham as the one and only true God, and that this God gave the land to the decents of Abraham, this belief will determine what happens.
How can Christians deny the rightness of Zionism without damaging their own religious beliefs? Sadly Arabs are also Abraham's decendants, the illegimate children of a woman who was not Abraham's wife. When Abaham's wife finally had her own child, she convinced Abraham to throw out the other woman and Araham's first son. The family feud continues, because of the orginal immorality of Abaham. I hate these ideas that pit one group of humans against another, and people holding them, can not spread democracy.
Democracy is not based on such religion.

[castille]

So thousands of years of bloodshed, war, and genocide was because some dude had a kid with another chick?

There's religion for ya.

[Agent007]

How can democracy not be based in such religion? Disagreement is fundamental to democracy, especially when it is between two groups of differing ontologies, such as religious groups.

[Inquisitor]

castille As much as I hate to admit, it seems the Jews have a strong grip on various institutions and are pushing their views onto the public.

This is obvious just from examining the posts here. Majority here say what jews want them to and feel good about it. No wonder, influencing public opinion is an exact science.

Athena How can Christians deny the rightness of Zionism without damaging their own religious beliefs?

Religion of judaism is an exact opposite of Christianity FYI. In fact judaism is denial of Christianity. Judaism is all about awaiting messiah who will give jews the power over the world. Christianity knows about the coming of this "messiah" as well, the difference is the correct term for him is The Anti-Christ.

Democracy is not based on such religion.

Democracy is based on judaism. For jews know that the only thing that could delay coming of their "messiah" is Christian Monarchy. That is why Christian Monarchy came under such attack and in 1917 was defeated. Democracy is the best form of government for jews as democracy gives real power to those who manipulate public opinion ( owners of media) we all know who controls media, don't we?

[Matt W]

Democracy is based on judaism

And not on the ancient Greeks? Sorry, Inquisitor, but your religious views are colouring your view of history.

That is why Christian Monarchy came under such attack and in 1917 was defeated.

I'm assuming you're referring to the Russian Revolution? Other Christian monarchs that come to mind are the English, the Danes, the Spanish, the Belgians....and they're still around. But obviously don't matter in your worldview?

we all know who controls media, don't we?

Rupert Murdoch. An Australian. Look him up.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Plaything48 Are Jews Trying To Rule. The nazis thought so, but what do you think?

Yes, Nazis thought that was the case.

In modern times, try to figure :
- whom U.S. owns the national debts
There go your possible answer.

Personally, I do not think U.S. government is that dumb not to relize "what goes on around". The question rather should concern the issues like :
- who needs whom
- (for) what purpose
- (to) what extent

[Inquisitor]

And not on the ancient Greeks? Sorry, Inquisitor, but your religious views are colouring your view of history.

I should have expressed myself more clear. Democracy is the prefered form of government for goyim by jews. Jews know that they can only control goyim who are stupid enough to believe in democracy.
It was indeed ancient Greeks who invented the concept, I am not disputing this.

I'm assuming you're referring to the Russian Revolution? Other Christian monarchs that come to mind are the English, the Danes, the Spanish, the Belgians....and they're still around. But obviously don't matter in your worldview?

Your assumption is correct. The monarchies that you had listed lack two important attributes.
1. They are not absolute.
2. They are heretical. ( catholic, protestant etc.)
This is the reason forces of evil allowed them to exist.

Rupert Murdoch. An Australian. Look him up.

You look him up and his collegues as well.
http://www.natall.com/who-rules-america/wra.pdf

[Zeus20]

The nazis thought so, but what do you think?

Quite the oxymoronic question! lol

[Matt W]

Your assumption is correct. The monarchies that you had listed lack two important attributes. 1. They are not absolute. 2. They are heretical. ( catholic, protestant etc.) This is the reason forces of evil allowed them to exist.

So, the Russian Tsars were 'good'??? Excuse me? Serfdom was 'good'? Putting down peasants with Cossacks was 'good'?

The reason they were overthrown in 1917 is fairly obvious - they cared nothing for their people, they threw hundreds of thousands of lives away against the Germans & Austrians with a pitiful army, of whom maybe half actually had weapons, and Lenin had a message and an organisation that worked and appealed to the masses.

Your anti-Semitism is sickening, Inquisitor.

[RickSp]

Quote by: Matt W Your anti-Semitism is sickening, Inquisitor.

This entire thread is distateful. The reference to the fictional "Protocols" and the casual bigotry displayed by several posters demonstrates both ignorance and hatred.

[Inquisitor]

So, the Russian Tsars were 'good'??? Excuse me? Serfdom was 'good'? Putting down peasants with Cossacks was 'good'?

Russian Orthodox Monarchy was good. If you think that lenin and his gang were better you are simply ignorant.
Regarding serfdom, I don't think any american has a right to play moral superiority here. When Russia had serfs America was importing millions of slaves. Serfs were hundreds of times better off then slaves were. All serfs had to do was to work 2 days per week for their lord. This amounts roughly to 28.57% tax. Please remind me what is the tax rate in todays "democratic" USA?

Cossacks did put down mutinies as the most loyal servants of Tsars. What is wrong with that? Name me a government that would tolerate mutinies?

The reason they were overthrown in 1917 is fairly obvious - they cared nothing for their people, they threw hundreds of thousands of lives away against the Germans & Austrians with a pitiful army, of whom maybe half actually had weapons, and Lenin had a message and an organisation that worked and appealed to the masses.

So ignorant and far from the truth that it is actualy worth no comment.And we certainly know whose words you so obidiently repeating, don't we?

Your anti-Semitism is sickening, Inquisitor.

Thank you. In today's world being refered to as an anti-semite is equal to being called an honest person.

This entire thread is distateful. The reference to the fictional "Protocols" and the casual bigotry displayed by several posters demonstrates both ignorance and hatred.

Regarding "fictional" protocols. When communists seized power in Russia, mere possesion of Protocols lead to immidiate death penalty. I certainly understand that no measure is to rough in order to protect your beloved jews. However this speaks rather well about how genuine the document is.

[Matt W]

Firstly, I'm not American.

Secondly, your understanding of serfdom is flawed, critically.

Thirdly, my 'ignorance' is taken from first-hand sources and military (not social) history - often from White Russian sources themselves.

Fourthly, you have already been warned about spreading your despicable views on this subject. I suggest you desist.

[castille]

Inquisitor, you just mentioned both Catholic and Protestants are heretics.

So what religion is not heretical? The Reformists? The Wiccans?

Serfs were hundreds of times better off then slaves were. All serfs had to do was to work 2 days per week for their lord.

So you were what, a Russian peasant? How did you know serfs worked 2 days?

[Inquisitor]

Firstly, I'm not American.

Congratulations.

Secondly, your understanding of serfdom is flawed, critically.

Perhaps. It was not an ideal institution. Allow me to remind you that serfdom was abolished in 1861 by decree of Emeror Alexander ll. He was later assasinated by a terrorist group where jews played large part.

Thirdly, my 'ignorance' is taken from first-hand sources and military (not social) history - often from White Russian sources themselves.

None of the armies participating in WWI demonstrated great perfomance. Germany lost the war only due to lack of resources. Yet the most successful battle of WWI was conducted by Russian army.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brusilov_offensive

Fourthly, you have already been warned about spreading your despicable views on this subject. I suggest you desist.

What is so despicable about my views? Besides allow me to remind you that The Anti-Christ is not in power yet, so you courage in defending jews will not be rewarded. Though it seems to me that to defend jews one needs zero courage. All one needs is to have himself wide open to mainstream propaganda.

Inquisitor, you just mentioned both Catholic and Protestants are heretics. So what religion is not heretical? The Reformists? The Wiccans?

Orthodox Christianity. All other denominations are heresies as they perverted the original teaching of The Church.

[Matt W]

Yet the most successful battle of WWI was conducted by Russian army

One battle does not win the war. As demonstrated by their capitulation.

The Germans may have finally run out of steam when the Americans joined the war, but they still had enough to beat the Russians, who were badly led (especially with Tsar Nicholas II meddling at the front line) and desperately under-equipped. Having masses of men does not equal a functioning army when they're being thrown unarmed against machineguns.

What is so despicable about my views?

Your 'views' lead to acts like the Holocaust, cemetary desecration, racial hatred. All of which are wrong and evil.

Though it seems to me that to defend jews one needs zero courage.

Promoting hatred always needs to be challenged. You'd be surprised how few do it. You obviously need little courage to anonymously spew this crap on an internet message board.

Allow me to remind you that serfdom was abolished in 1861 by decree of Emeror Alexander ll.

Indeed. He also dissolved the Duma on several occasions, allowed absolutely no dissenting opinions to be voiced, and ruled with a dictatorial fist. Are you surprised there was violence? Every other European country had had their 'revolution' a good 20 years earlier - and because of this, the rulers survived.

And as for the American thing, thank you for your congratulations - I suggest next time you actually look before accusing people of being hypocritical. Seeing as you're in Australia, I suggest you start looking at Aboriginal rights...

[Inquisitor]

One battle does not win the war. As demonstrated by their capitulation.

In fact it was revolution that lead to stopping the battle by Russian army. Peace treaty was signed by communist government not by Tsar. Sinse communists were enemies of Russian people it is hardly surprising.

The Germans may have finally run out of steam when the Americans joined the war, but they still had enough to beat the Russians, who were badly led (especially with Tsar Nicholas II meddling at the front line) and desperately under-equipped. Having masses of men does not equal a functioning army when they're being thrown unarmed against machineguns.

Masses of men?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brusilov_Offensive

Combatants
Russia Austria-HungaryGermany
Commanders
Aleksei Brusilov Conrad von Hötzendorf Alexander von Linsingen
Strength
40 Infantry Divisions 38 Austro divisions 2 German divisions

15 Cavalry divisions 11 Cavalry divisions

As you can see forces were roughly equal. Concidering that during the offencive one needs to have 3:1 advantage. If according to your fantasy they were badly lead and armed that makes this victory even more impressive. Also Tsar Nicolas II wasn't such a bad commander if he put Alexei Brusilov in charge of the operation.

One battle doesn't win the war, I agree. Yet none of the armies involved in WWI managed to carry out an offencive equal to this.

Your 'views' lead to acts like the Holocaust, cemetary desecration, racial hatred. All of which are wrong and evil.

Myth of holocaust is already scientifically disproven. Only people blind to scientific research and open to propaganda still believe it.
Racial hatred is the cornerstone of the religion of judaism. And this is real evil.

Promoting hatred always needs to be challenged. You'd be surprised how few do it. You obviously need little courage to anonymously spew this crap on an internet message board.

Correct. So you agree that it is illegal to criticise ( tell the truth about) jews?

Indeed. He also dissolved the Duma on several occasions,

It was actualy Nicolas II...

allowed absolutely no dissenting opinions to be voiced, and ruled with a dictatorial fist.

This is what a good Tsar must do in order to prevent anarchy.

And as for the American thing, thank you for your congratulations - I suggest next time you actually look before accusing people of being hypocritical. Seeing as you're in Australia, I suggest you start looking at Aboriginal rights...

Why would I even care about aboriginies? Drunks, drug addicts, hereditary unemployment benefit bludgers and pity criminals?

BTW Australia is not my permanent place of residence. I only work here on contract.

[rcne]

Myth of holocaust is already scientifically disproven. Only people blind to scientific research and open to propaganda still believe it.

Inquisitor, my father-in-law served in WWI and was at Buchenwald for the liberation. I have seen the pictures and talked with him and what little remains of his Army group to know that it did in fact happen. The Holocaust did happen, whatever science you have that sways you to believe it didn't is the propaganda that you speak of.

I am curious as to where your scientific facts come from?

[Matt W]

Peace treaty was signed by communist government not by Tsar. Sinse communists were enemies of Russian people it is hardly surprising.

Seeing as the Russian people wanted the war to stop, it was a highly popular move. It was done in order to gain them votes in the elections they called soon after - which, admittedly, they declared null and void once they lost it - but continuing to fight the war was hardly in the interests of the Russian people.

Why would I even care about aboriginies?

You ask me about slaves from hundreds of years ago, and you ask why you should care about aborigines? I am using your own style of arguments against you, and your response is 'why should I care?'. Amusing.

Myth of holocaust is already scientifically disproven. Only people blind to scientific research and open to propaganda still believe it.

Show me your 'evidence', by all means. I have read documents from the Third Reich categorising it, euphamisms and all. I can hardly wait to see this 'scientific evidence' you claim to have.

Correct. So you agree that it is illegal to criticise ( tell the truth about) jews?

What has this statement got to do with what I said? I'm saying that this crap is disgusting, abusive, sickening, and irrational - and I would say the same if you said it about Muslims, Arabs, Blacks, Chinese, Christians, whoever - you are promoting hatred of a single group. It is despicable.

[Inquisitor]

Inquisitor, my father-in-law served in WWI and was at Buchenwald for the liberation. I have seen the pictures and talked with him and what little remains of his Army group to know that it did in fact happen. The Holocaust did happen, whatever science you have that sways you to believe it didn't is the propaganda that you speak of. I am curious as to where your scientific facts come from?

Look up information on historical revisionism. Propaganda by definition is something that is fed by mass media. Mass media presents the story of holocaust as jews want it.

Seeing as the Russian people wanted the war to stop, it was a highly popular move. It was done in order to gain them votes in the elections they called soon after - which, admittedly, they declared null and void once they lost it - but continuing to fight the war was hardly in the interests of the Russian people.

Communists that took power in 1917 were jews financed by German government. Germans calculated that this was the only way to take Russia out of war. This indeed happened. True the war was unpopular.
I am not presenting Russian people as innocent victims. They did indeed betray their God given Tsar and pay for it to this day. This however doesn't excuse jews/communists who organised genocide unprecedented in world's history.

What has this statement got to do with what I said? I'm saying that this crap is disgusting, abusive, sickening, and irrational - and I would say the same if you said it about Muslims, Arabs, Blacks, Chinese, Christians, whoever - you are promoting hatred of a single group. It is despicable.

Really? You have no problem presenting Russians as some sort of intellectually disabled mob. Talking about "hatred of a single group".

[Matt W]

You have no problem presenting Russians as some sort of intellectually disabled mob.

*laughs* That is so ridiculous I have to chuckle. I'm not saying Russians are intellectually disabled in the slightest - I'm saying that in 1917 they were tired of an uncaring regime that didn't listen to them. Hence the success of the Revolution. I have a lot of respect for Russians - when they don't peddle such trash as this.

Look up information on historical revisionism.

Answer the question. Rcne has first-hand accounts of the Holocaust. You have vague 'historical revisionism' to fall back on. Evidence, in your own time, please.