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white rice · Feb 5, 2004, 03:55 pm

Jews have been the typical scapegoats by the elite in order to maintain their power. Kings and nobles during the medieval era were forbidden by the Roman Catholic Church to generate interest, whether by loans or debt (usury). So the run around to it was to hire Jews as taxkeepers and financers and letting the Kings and nobles pocket the difference on the side. Jews at that time were looked down upon like gypsies or nomads and had limited rights. Because they were sometimes barred from owning businesses or land, the arrangement with the noblemen to serve as accountants was mutual.

Whenever times were bad and/or the the noblemen were just greedy, public resentment grew more against the Jews who acted as messenger by collecting the taxes. The noblemen supported and encouraged this resentment and racial tension to maintain their power which is textbook for divide and conquer. Even though the Jews were assets to them, the money the Jews kept and trafficked afforded them power which the noblemen were deeply suspicious of. And if it gets really bad, they'd practically open the gates for the angry mob to tear up the Jews.

So prevelant stereotypes still live to this day. Even if there are a handful of Jews in the mega elite, most are still stuffy WASPs who prefer to remain in the shadows while accumulating their ever growing piles of money.

castille · Feb 6, 2004, 08:51 am

Stereotypes are always prevelent in society. "Jews are bloodsucking vampires", "Christians are boring people", "rich people exploit others", "Chinese business owners are dodgy".

Feb 18, 2004, 01:37 pm

On the Protocols of Zion,

Have those that criticize the Protocols actually read them? I've read them several times. They could only apply to the speaker and the group he was addressing. "Jew" was inserted to throw people off. Replace "Jew" with "Illuminati" and it makes sense.

Often times, jews will reject the new world order as a reality because they feel, perhaps subconsciously, that jews as a people will be blamed even if no such thing appears in the work or speech mentioning the NWO. Sorta like democrats rejecting the possibility of Vincent Foster having been murdered because some have linked the murder to Bill Clinton or government-huggers rejecting the possibility of President Kennedy having been assassinated by someone other than Oswald because many of the early critics were blaming the CIA.

Bonesmen, at times, refer to themselves as jews. The possibility that the Protocols are a real plan of another group escapes some because no matter what is said, 'the protocols are jewish' is all a person wants to hear.

Some jews are trying to control the world. Communism is jewish in the sense that the founders and rulers of the Soviet Union were largely jewish. The mafia is italian in that the top members need to be italian. Neither example precludes communism or various mafias from having or being controlled by members of any religion/ethnic group. The Illuminati is made up of members of all races and claimed religions.

Mia · Feb 23, 2004, 04:35 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,)
Yes, and I am a senior member of the Illuminati taking over the world with FEMA, ALDA, DEDA, NAZI, and ABBA.

I dont see what religion has to do with taking over the world. Religion as a political tool was discarded during the mid-1800s when Europe realised beating each other up for religion was stupid.

Jews are a religion, not a people. Adam Sandler is a Jew, but he doesnt act like one.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I think it can be both, can't it? You can have a person of Jewish descent and/or of the faith. If it's only a religion and not a people, how can people cave a "jewish nose" ;-)

PS I think they are hard-working smart-as-hell people who have managed to survive centuries of oppression and I wouldn't be surprised if they are God's chosen people based on this. But Israel's actions leave a lot to be desired. I know it was never intended for them to kick Palestinians from their homes and oppress and slaughter as was done to them.

The actions of the people in control of Israel have nothing to do with what their religion teaches them.

And sure they're out to control the world - isn't everyone? It doesn't mean they can.

Mia · Feb 23, 2004, 04:48 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Suburbanite,)
Except revelations talks about the death of all Jews. I think the bible is very anti-Jew and even more pro-Roman. And I believe the problem with the Jews was the lack of concern towards religion in the first place. I think that Christ's murder was a backfired attempt to gain control by Jews in Israel.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

It says two-thirds will be killed, not all. Along with all non-believers. Including professed Christians. I assume the two-thirds are the ones who don't accept Christ when they are given the choice.

Mia · Feb 23, 2004, 04:50 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Suburbanite,)
I think the Old Testament only comes in handy for Christians when they are talking about homosexuals and want to quote Leviticus<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Don't forget "an eye for an eye..." some people love that one!

The Thinker · Feb 23, 2004, 06:33 am

Not all Jews just those who belong to the Secret Society of the Zionist. Zionist can be Fundelmental Christians too. Their love is Israel and conquests. Yes, conquest which is why Ariel Sharon is expanding with building Israel's Wall to keep out the Palestinian terrorist, yeah, right.

The Hegelian Dialectic is used over and over to get the Zionist goal. These suicide bombings are the Hegelian Dialectic in action. The Wall was the result. It goes like this: A problem or happening happens, then their must be correction, so the conqueror (Israel) builds the Wall.

vagator · Feb 23, 2004, 04:35 pm

This is quite a challanging question
Most bankers I mean the real Big One are jews
The Usa governement is under their influence i mean the bankers that happened to be mostly.....
Do anyone remember the Liberty, the american ship sunk during the 6 days war by israelian jets and the non reaction of the USA gvt that went along with the story that despite flags and all it was just mistaken for.....

tusaki · Feb 23, 2004, 06:18 pm

Vagator, I don't think you can say that most 'big' bankers are jewish.

Here is a list of the 10 biggest banks and their CEO. I tried to find information about their religion but was unable to find it on the internet. Perhaps you can point out the jews in this list?

#) Name, Profit (b), Based In, CEO / President
1) Citigroup , 20, USA, Chuck Prince
2) Bank of America, 15, USA, Ken Lewis
3) HSBC, 10, UK, John Bond
4) RBS, 8, UK, Sir George Mathewson
5) Wells Fargo, 7, USA, Dick Kovacevich
6) JP Morgan Chase, 7, USA, William B. Harrison, Jr
7) United Bank of Switzerland (UBS), 6, Switzerland, Peter Wuffli
8) Wachovia Bank, 5, USA, G. Kennedy Thompson
9) Morgan Stanley, 5, USA, Philip J. Purcell
10) Merrill Lynch, 4, USA, Stan O'Neal

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banks#Top_ten..._Profit_in_2003

eamad mazouri · Feb 23, 2004, 07:55 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Plaything48,)
The nazis thought so, but what do you think?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
I think people like jews who have been singled out and subjected so much and for so long in so many places, and still they were able to survive and prosper, should be admired.It is dangerous to direct your hate towards any group of people.

SeanWah · Feb 23, 2004, 09:09 pm

If Jews have clawed their way to the top of the ladder in places like Wall Street or Hollywood, good on 'em. Part of the "American Dream" is being able to do just that.

ceg · Feb 24, 2004, 11:53 pm

This just wouldn't be an internet discussion board without nutcases persecuting Jews with their paranoid conspiracy/hate theories.

ceg · Feb 24, 2004, 11:55 pm

P.S Kudos to all of you who see through this silly rhetoric.

RebelWithanAK · Feb 25, 2004, 01:07 am

Which reminds me: Why didn't I close down such a thread in the first place?

cepjr61 · Feb 25, 2004, 01:44 pm

Jews began their reign globally via the Rothschilds banking family. That info is easily accessible on any google search, and can be found in just about any Eustace Mullins book. Mullins, along with the likes of Dr Anthony C. Sutton, John Coleman, and the infamous David Icke have published volumes on this very subject. Another good read on who controls the globe is Jim Marr's book "Rule By Secrecy". That book will open a lot of eyes after being read. The research in there is impeccable and so accurate that it's somewhat scary.

cepjr61 · Feb 25, 2004, 01:55 pm

What's conspiracy about the truth? Would it make people feel better if it weren't the jewish people who are the ones here at centerstage?
Do the research and see who owns and is the controlling partner in all the media, to include disney-world. Check and see who controls better than 85% of the world's global economic policies, to include international banking board members on all the major banking institutions. The truth is out there, but some still would like to deny it out of either blood relation, or sympathy. Do any of you feel sorry that our gov't put indians on reservations? Where's the public outcry when it comes to the homeless? I can go on and on here, but I think I have made my point. The jews are where they are outta choice. Nobody held a gun to their heads and made them do what they have done.
Ya'll would be surprised at the number of true jewish people that are ashamed of what their elders and ancestors are doing and have done. I am very sorry if I have stepped on any toes here, but it's not just the jews, it's christians, catholics, baptists, etc also. There's bad seeds in all facids of races. God himself said that rotten roots bring rotten fruits, and he didn't catagorize that scripture with any certain skin color, ancestorical heritage, or geographical location. It applies to all of us!

Mathieu · Feb 25, 2004, 02:01 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (tusaki,)
Vagator, I don't think you can say that most 'big' bankers are jewish.

Here is a list of the 10 biggest banks and their CEO. I tried to find information about their religion but was unable to find it on the internet. Perhaps you can point out the jews in this list?

#) Name, Profit (b), Based In, CEO / President
1) Citigroup , 20, USA, Chuck Prince
2) Bank of America, 15, USA, Ken Lewis
3) HSBC, 10, UK, John Bond
4) RBS, 8, UK, Sir George Mathewson
5) Wells Fargo, 7, USA, Dick Kovacevich
6) JP Morgan Chase, 7, USA, William B. Harrison, Jr
7) United Bank of Switzerland (UBS), 6, Switzerland, Peter Wuffli
8) Wachovia Bank, 5, USA, G. Kennedy Thompson
9) Morgan Stanley, 5, USA, Philip J. Purcell
10) Merrill Lynch, 4, USA, Stan O'Neal

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banks#Top_ten..._Profit_in_2003<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Why no one answer tusaki ??? See all those jews people controlling the bank !!!

I bet you people think Rupert Murdoch is a jew too ??

jose · Feb 25, 2004, 04:26 pm

any body know who owns the Federal reserve bank?

http://www.rense.com/general45/sharonsinfa...mouscomment.htm

"we the jews control america"

ceg · Feb 25, 2004, 05:11 pm

http://minneapolisfed.org/info/sys/faq/frs.cfm :

"The Federal Reserve System is not “owned” by anyone and is not a
private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects."

"The seven members of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System are nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate"

"It is considered an independent central bank because its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government...However, the Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by the Congress, which periodically reviews its activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute."

Current Members: http://federalreserve.gov/bios/
Alan Greenspan
Chairman
Roger W. Ferguson, Jr.
Vice Chairman
Edward M. Gramlich
Susan Schmidt Bies
Mark W. Olson
Ben S. Bernanke
Donald L. Kohn

Past Board Members can also be identified at this site.

Responsibilities of the fed: http://www.federalreserve.gov/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Bank :

"Who Owns the Federal Reserve?"

"The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by the Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized much like private corporations—possibly leading to some confusion about “ownership.” For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, ..."

Etc.. http://www.floodlight.org/theory/flaherty9.htm

"According to the Board’s 1999 Annual Report, the System had net income totaling $26.2 billion, which would qualify it as one of the most profitable companies in the world if the System were a typical corporation. How were these profits distributed? $342 million, or 1.4% of the profits, were paid to member banks as dividends. Another $479 million, or 1.8%, was retained by the 12 Reserve Banks. The balance of $25.4 billion -- or 96.9% of the profits -- was paid to the Treasury...the Fed has been rebating its profits to the Treasury since 1947."

FED Annual reports, semiannual reports, monetary policy reports, and other Fed statements to Congress:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-...ort+to+congress

Re: Conspiracy theories:

"The allegation that an international banking cartel controls the Federal Reserve is wrong. Contrary to [conspiracist claims], foreigners do not own any stock in the New York Federal Reserve Bank. Neither do they currently own any significant shares of the domestic banks that actually do own shares in the N.Y. Fed. Moreover, the central assumption that control of the New York Federal Reserve is the same as control of the whole System is badly mistaken. Also, the profits of the Federal Reserve System, again contrary to the conspiracy theorists, are funneled almost entirely back to the federal government, not to an international banking elite. If the U.S. central bank is in the grip of an international conspiracy, then consipiracy theorists have certainly not uncovered it."

You originally asked who owned the fed. You concluded with an unproven statement allegedly made by an Israeli politician. Logically, I don't get the connection. I do get the gist.

Israel has nothing to do with the Fed. This leads me to ask, what is the real purpose of your post? Why not just come out and say, "I hate Jews." At least you'd be more honest.

Regarding your reference to Sharon's "Infamous Comment", there seems to be no record it was ever made. Although Rense attributes it to a conversation with another Politician, other similar libels attribute it to radio talk shows, etc.

Again, conspiracists can easily publish whatever they want without any actual proof.

jose · Feb 25, 2004, 05:43 pm

My original question was to ask if the federal reserve bank was owened by the govt. or is it was a privetly owned co.
i added a quote attributed to ariel sharon as an address to the original question
http://www.frbsf.org/tools/faq.html#ownfed

Are Federal Reserve Bank employees government workers?

No. Employees of regional Reserve Banks are not government
employees.They are paid as part of the expenses of each Reserve Bank.

Feb 5, 2004, 03:55 pm	#41 (permalink) (top)
white rice Igneous Magma Posts: 372	Jews have been the typical scapegoats by the elite in order to maintain their power. Kings and nobles during the medieval era were forbidden by the Roman Catholic Church to generate interest, whether by loans or debt (usury). So the run around to it was to hire Jews as taxkeepers and financers and letting the Kings and nobles pocket the difference on the side. Jews at that time were looked down upon like gypsies or nomads and had limited rights. Because they were sometimes barred from owning businesses or land, the arrangement with the noblemen to serve as accountants was mutual. Whenever times were bad and/or the the noblemen were just greedy, public resentment grew more against the Jews who acted as messenger by collecting the taxes. The noblemen supported and encouraged this resentment and racial tension to maintain their power which is textbook for divide and conquer. Even though the Jews were assets to them, the money the Jews kept and trafficked afforded them power which the noblemen were deeply suspicious of. And if it gets really bad, they'd practically open the gates for the angry mob to tear up the Jews. So prevelant stereotypes still live to this day. Even if there are a handful of Jews in the mega elite, most are still stuffy WASPs who prefer to remain in the shadows while accumulating their ever growing piles of money. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

Feb 6, 2004, 08:51 am	#42 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Stereotypes are always prevelent in society. "Jews are bloodsucking vampires", "Christians are boring people", "rich people exploit others", "Chinese business owners are dodgy". Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Feb 23, 2004, 04:35 am	#44 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,) Yes, and I am a senior member of the Illuminati taking over the world with FEMA, ALDA, DEDA, NAZI, and ABBA. I dont see what religion has to do with taking over the world. Religion as a political tool was discarded during the mid-1800s when Europe realised beating each other up for religion was stupid. Jews are a religion, not a people. Adam Sandler is a Jew, but he doesnt act like one.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I think it can be both, can't it? You can have a person of Jewish descent and/or of the faith. If it's only a religion and not a people, how can people cave a "jewish nose" ;-) PS I think they are hard-working smart-as-hell people who have managed to survive centuries of oppression and I wouldn't be surprised if they are God's chosen people based on this. But Israel's actions leave a lot to be desired. I know it was never intended for them to kick Palestinians from their homes and oppress and slaughter as was done to them. The actions of the people in control of Israel have nothing to do with what their religion teaches them. And sure they're out to control the world - isn't everyone? It doesn't mean they can. "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Feb 23, 2004, 04:48 am	#45 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Suburbanite,) Except revelations talks about the death of all Jews. I think the bible is very anti-Jew and even more pro-Roman. And I believe the problem with the Jews was the lack of concern towards religion in the first place. I think that Christ's murder was a backfired attempt to gain control by Jews in Israel.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> It says two-thirds will be killed, not all. Along with all non-believers. Including professed Christians. I assume the two-thirds are the ones who don't accept Christ when they are given the choice. "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Feb 23, 2004, 04:50 am	#46 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Suburbanite,) I think the Old Testament only comes in handy for Christians when they are talking about homosexuals and want to quote Leviticus<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Don't forget "an eye for an eye..." some people love that one! "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Feb 18, 2004, 01:37 pm	#43 (permalink) (top)
StoneWT Guest Posts: n/a	On the Protocols of Zion, Have those that criticize the Protocols actually read them? I've read them several times. They could only apply to the speaker and the group he was addressing. "Jew" was inserted to throw people off. Replace "Jew" with "Illuminati" and it makes sense. Often times, jews will reject the new world order as a reality because they feel, perhaps subconsciously, that jews as a people will be blamed even if no such thing appears in the work or speech mentioning the NWO. Sorta like democrats rejecting the possibility of Vincent Foster having been murdered because some have linked the murder to Bill Clinton or government-huggers rejecting the possibility of President Kennedy having been assassinated by someone other than Oswald because many of the early critics were blaming the CIA. Bonesmen, at times, refer to themselves as jews. The possibility that the Protocols are a real plan of another group escapes some because no matter what is said, 'the protocols are jewish' is all a person wants to hear. Some jews are trying to control the world. Communism is jewish in the sense that the founders and rulers of the Soviet Union were largely jewish. The mafia is italian in that the top members need to be italian. Neither example precludes communism or various mafias from having or being controlled by members of any religion/ethnic group. The Illuminati is made up of members of all races and claimed religions.

Feb 23, 2004, 06:33 am	#47 (permalink) (top)
The Thinker Molten Ash Location: USA Posts: 40	Not all Jews just those who belong to the Secret Society of the Zionist. Zionist can be Fundelmental Christians too. Their love is Israel and conquests. Yes, conquest which is why Ariel Sharon is expanding with building Israel's Wall to keep out the Palestinian terrorist, yeah, right. The Hegelian Dialectic is used over and over to get the Zionist goal. These suicide bombings are the Hegelian Dialectic in action. The Wall was the result. It goes like this: A problem or happening happens, then their must be correction, so the conqueror (Israel) builds the Wall.

Feb 23, 2004, 04:35 pm	#48 (permalink) (top)
vagator Sedimentary Rock Posts: 7	This is quite a challanging question Most bankers I mean the real Big One are jews The Usa governement is under their influence i mean the bankers that happened to be mostly..... Do anyone remember the Liberty, the american ship sunk during the 6 days war by israelian jets and the non reaction of the USA gvt that went along with the story that despite flags and all it was just mistaken for.....

Feb 23, 2004, 06:18 pm	#49 (permalink) (top)
tusaki Playful Location: Groningen, the Netherlands Posts: 805	Vagator, I don't think you can say that most 'big' bankers are jewish. Here is a list of the 10 biggest banks and their CEO. I tried to find information about their religion but was unable to find it on the internet. Perhaps you can point out the jews in this list? #) Name, Profit (b), Based In, CEO / President 1) Citigroup , 20, USA, Chuck Prince 2) Bank of America, 15, USA, Ken Lewis 3) HSBC, 10, UK, John Bond 4) RBS, 8, UK, Sir George Mathewson 5) Wells Fargo, 7, USA, Dick Kovacevich 6) JP Morgan Chase, 7, USA, William B. Harrison, Jr 7) United Bank of Switzerland (UBS), 6, Switzerland, Peter Wuffli 8) Wachovia Bank, 5, USA, G. Kennedy Thompson 9) Morgan Stanley, 5, USA, Philip J. Purcell 10) Merrill Lynch, 4, USA, Stan O'Neal source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banks#Top_ten..._Profit_in_2003 Hope & Dream

Feb 23, 2004, 07:55 pm	#50 (permalink) (top)
eamad mazouri Molten Ash Posts: 64	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Plaything48,) The nazis thought so, but what do you think?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I think people like jews who have been singled out and subjected so much and for so long in so many places, and still they were able to survive and prosper, should be admired.It is dangerous to direct your hate towards any group of people.

Feb 23, 2004, 09:09 pm	#51 (permalink) (top)
SeanWah Molten Ash Posts: 47	If Jews have clawed their way to the top of the ladder in places like Wall Street or Hollywood, good on 'em. Part of the "American Dream" is being able to do just that.

Feb 24, 2004, 11:53 pm	#52 (permalink) (top)
ceg Sedimentary Rock Posts: 13	This just wouldn't be an internet discussion board without nutcases persecuting Jews with their paranoid conspiracy/hate theories.

Feb 24, 2004, 11:55 pm	#53 (permalink) (top)
ceg Sedimentary Rock Posts: 13	P.S Kudos to all of you who see through this silly rhetoric.

Feb 25, 2004, 01:07 am	#54 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	Which reminds me: Why didn't I close down such a thread in the first place? . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Feb 25, 2004, 01:44 pm	#55 (permalink) (top)
cepjr61 Sedimentary Rock Posts: 22	Jews began their reign globally via the Rothschilds banking family. That info is easily accessible on any google search, and can be found in just about any Eustace Mullins book. Mullins, along with the likes of Dr Anthony C. Sutton, John Coleman, and the infamous David Icke have published volumes on this very subject. Another good read on who controls the globe is Jim Marr's book "Rule By Secrecy". That book will open a lot of eyes after being read. The research in there is impeccable and so accurate that it's somewhat scary.

Feb 25, 2004, 01:55 pm	#56 (permalink) (top)
cepjr61 Sedimentary Rock Posts: 22	What's conspiracy about the truth? Would it make people feel better if it weren't the jewish people who are the ones here at centerstage? Do the research and see who owns and is the controlling partner in all the media, to include disney-world. Check and see who controls better than 85% of the world's global economic policies, to include international banking board members on all the major banking institutions. The truth is out there, but some still would like to deny it out of either blood relation, or sympathy. Do any of you feel sorry that our gov't put indians on reservations? Where's the public outcry when it comes to the homeless? I can go on and on here, but I think I have made my point. The jews are where they are outta choice. Nobody held a gun to their heads and made them do what they have done. Ya'll would be surprised at the number of true jewish people that are ashamed of what their elders and ancestors are doing and have done. I am very sorry if I have stepped on any toes here, but it's not just the jews, it's christians, catholics, baptists, etc also. There's bad seeds in all facids of races. God himself said that rotten roots bring rotten fruits, and he didn't catagorize that scripture with any certain skin color, ancestorical heritage, or geographical location. It applies to all of us!

Feb 25, 2004, 02:01 pm	#57 (permalink) (top)
Mathieu Igneous Magma Location: Montreal Posts: 216	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (tusaki,) Vagator, I don't think you can say that most 'big' bankers are jewish. Here is a list of the 10 biggest banks and their CEO. I tried to find information about their religion but was unable to find it on the internet. Perhaps you can point out the jews in this list? #) Name, Profit (b), Based In, CEO / President 1) Citigroup , 20, USA, Chuck Prince 2) Bank of America, 15, USA, Ken Lewis 3) HSBC, 10, UK, John Bond 4) RBS, 8, UK, Sir George Mathewson 5) Wells Fargo, 7, USA, Dick Kovacevich 6) JP Morgan Chase, 7, USA, William B. Harrison, Jr 7) United Bank of Switzerland (UBS), 6, Switzerland, Peter Wuffli 8) Wachovia Bank, 5, USA, G. Kennedy Thompson 9) Morgan Stanley, 5, USA, Philip J. Purcell 10) Merrill Lynch, 4, USA, Stan O'Neal source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banks#Top_ten..._Profit_in_2003<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Why no one answer tusaki ??? See all those jews people controlling the bank !!! I bet you people think Rupert Murdoch is a jew too ??

Feb 25, 2004, 04:26 pm	#58 (permalink) (top)
jose Volcanic Erupter Location: España Posts: 2,625	any body know who owns the Federal reserve bank? http://www.rense.com/general45/sharonsinfa...mouscomment.htm "we the jews control america"

Feb 25, 2004, 05:11 pm	#59 (permalink) (top)
ceg Sedimentary Rock Posts: 13	http://minneapolisfed.org/info/sys/faq/frs.cfm : "The Federal Reserve System is not “owned” by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects." "The seven members of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System are nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate" "It is considered an independent central bank because its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government...However, the Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by the Congress, which periodically reviews its activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute." Current Members: http://federalreserve.gov/bios/ Alan Greenspan Chairman Roger W. Ferguson, Jr. Vice Chairman Edward M. Gramlich Susan Schmidt Bies Mark W. Olson Ben S. Bernanke Donald L. Kohn Past Board Members can also be identified at this site. Responsibilities of the fed: http://www.federalreserve.gov/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Bank : "Who Owns the Federal Reserve?" "The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by the Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized much like private corporations—possibly leading to some confusion about “ownership.” For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, ..." Etc.. http://www.floodlight.org/theory/flaherty9.htm "According to the Board’s 1999 Annual Report, the System had net income totaling $26.2 billion, which would qualify it as one of the most profitable companies in the world if the System were a typical corporation. How were these profits distributed? $342 million, or 1.4% of the profits, were paid to member banks as dividends. Another $479 million, or 1.8%, was retained by the 12 Reserve Banks. The balance of $25.4 billion -- or 96.9% of the profits -- was paid to the Treasury...the Fed has been rebating its profits to the Treasury since 1947." FED Annual reports, semiannual reports, monetary policy reports, and other Fed statements to Congress: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-...ort+to+congress Re: Conspiracy theories: "The allegation that an international banking cartel controls the Federal Reserve is wrong. Contrary to [conspiracist claims], foreigners do not own any stock in the New York Federal Reserve Bank. Neither do they currently own any significant shares of the domestic banks that actually do own shares in the N.Y. Fed. Moreover, the central assumption that control of the New York Federal Reserve is the same as control of the whole System is badly mistaken. Also, the profits of the Federal Reserve System, again contrary to the conspiracy theorists, are funneled almost entirely back to the federal government, not to an international banking elite. If the U.S. central bank is in the grip of an international conspiracy, then consipiracy theorists have certainly not uncovered it." You originally asked who owned the fed. You concluded with an unproven statement allegedly made by an Israeli politician. Logically, I don't get the connection. I do get the gist. Israel has nothing to do with the Fed. This leads me to ask, what is the real purpose of your post? Why not just come out and say, "I hate Jews." At least you'd be more honest. Regarding your reference to Sharon's "Infamous Comment", there seems to be no record it was ever made. Although Rense attributes it to a conversation with another Politician, other similar libels attribute it to radio talk shows, etc. Again, conspiracists can easily publish whatever they want without any actual proof.

Feb 25, 2004, 05:43 pm	#60 (permalink) (top)
jose Volcanic Erupter Location: España Posts: 2,625	My original question was to ask if the federal reserve bank was owened by the govt. or is it was a privetly owned co. i added a quote attributed to ariel sharon as an address to the original question http://www.frbsf.org/tools/faq.html#ownfed Are Federal Reserve Bank employees government workers? No. Employees of regional Reserve Banks are not government employees.They are paid as part of the expenses of each Reserve Bank.