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castille · Feb 2, 2004, 07:07 am

Are Christians trying to take over the world?

Well they did in the 1700s, 1800s, and 1900s, and even today they're spreading their faith.

If theres any one culture and religion thats caused more destruction and more powerhungry than anyone else, its Christian Westerners.

Venmax · Feb 2, 2004, 10:26 am

As a side note the reason Jews are so good at handling money is because they were forced to do so for centuries by Christians who thought handling money was "Wicked". Hey - you do something long enough you get good at it.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
If theres any one culture and religion thats caused more destruction and more powerhungry than anyone else, its Christian Westerners. <hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Oh stop already! I suppose Mongols, Egyptians, Muslims, the Pagan Nazis, or Atheist Communists don't count. Conflict is a permanant presense in this world - no one Culture is free of the stain of evil. I'll accept the idea that Religion has been used to justify horrible atrocities, but don't try to sell me on the idea that Western Chritians are primogenitors of this sort of behavior, or even the most extreme example of it's abuse.

Suburbanite · Feb 2, 2004, 06:15 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,)
Are Christians trying to take over the world?
Well they did in the 1700s, 1800s, and 1900s, and even today they're spreading their faith.
<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Trying, lord no. IT is quite clear that White Christians do control the world. Not through religion though, much more through other political vises.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Venmax,)
As a side note the reason Jews are so good at handling money is because they were forced to do so for centuries by Christians who thought handling money was "Wicked". Hey - you do something long enough you get good at it.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I’m sorry but Jews did not exist out of Christianity, it is the other way around. The defining principles of Jews have long since existed prior to Christ. They were never forced to do anything of the sort.

Venmax · Feb 2, 2004, 06:25 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
Trying, lord no. IT is quite clear that White Christians do control the world. Not through religion though, much more through other political vises.
<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Lol!! Yeah ok - tell all one Billion of the Chinese that WE control the world. Hehehe... we may have lots of Nukes Pal and people may be afraid to go to war with us, but we sure as shit don't CONTROL THE WORLD.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
I’m sorry but Jews did not exist out of Christianity, it is the other way around. The defining principles of Jews have long since existed prior to Christ. They were never forced to do anything of the sort.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

What the hell are you talking about?! How do you get the argument that "Judaism came out of Christianity" from my statement?? I said that leading up to the modern age in Europe the Christian Majority forced the Jewish Minority to handle money because they thought it was "Wicked" to do so, and they wanted the Jews to do it for them.

Suburbanite · Feb 2, 2004, 11:58 pm

I am not talking about under religious context. I am talking about your definition of Jews. You define them in comparison to Christians, as if they are the antithesis of.

PatC · Feb 3, 2004, 01:11 am

How come everyone overlooks rich old white guys??

Venmax · Feb 3, 2004, 01:54 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
I am not talking about under religious context. I am talking about your definition of Jews. You define them in comparison to Christians, as if they are the antithesis of. <hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Er.... exactly at what point did I say that they were the antithesis of Christianity in that statement?! I didn't even bother to compare the two at all!! I merely pointed out the relationship the two cultures had in medieval european history as a basis for arguing that there is a specific historical context and reasoning by which the jewish stereotype of being "Moneyhandlers" could be explained!!

Are you actually READING the post I made????

Suburbanite · Feb 3, 2004, 05:15 am

Sigh, you are aware that things like "intentions" can be gathered from communication right? You don’t have to out right say much of anything; people gather opinions not only on the words themselves but the backbone behind the comment. I apologize I made you so upset; I didn’t realize you would snap so defensively, I wasn’t being insulting.

Venmax · Feb 3, 2004, 08:40 am

Lol!! Who's snapping? I'm simply amazed at your lack of ability to keep up! You hide behind generalizations and fuzzy logic. PROVIDE SOME FACTS AND SOME VALID LOGICAL CONSTRUCTS TO BACK UP YOUR ARGUMENT. This is a DEBATE remember.

tusaki · Feb 3, 2004, 09:12 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Venmax)
Lol!! Yeah ok - tell all one Billion of the Chinese that WE control the world. Hehehe... we may have lots of Nukes Pal and people may be afraid to go to war with us, but we sure as shit don't CONTROL THE WORLD.
<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Western Civilizations control most of the money, the technology and the weapons of this world. Because of this they are also the most influencial politicaly. So I guess it depends on what your definition of 'control' is.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Suburbanite)
Sigh, you are aware that things like "intentions" can be gathered from communication right? You don’t have to out right say much of anything; people gather opinions not only on the words themselves but the backbone behind the comment. I apologize I made you so upset; I didn’t realize you would snap so defensively, I wasn’t being insulting.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

He [Venmax] didn't say or implied anything about the origins of one religion or the other. He merely stated that (I'm not sure though, could be) in the middle-ages (a lot of) the christians used (some of) the jews to handle their money.

I do agree that Venmax uses an aggressive style of argumentation and could do without all the questioning of other peoples intelligence.

Venmax · Feb 3, 2004, 09:27 am

Bah!! This is the internet!! RANT!! You sure as hell can't do it in Real Life!!

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
Western Civilizations control most of the money, the technology and the weapons of this world. Because of this they are also the most influencial politicaly. So I guess it depends on what your definition of 'control' is.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

See - here you go. This is what the guy SHOULD have said. But he's one of those Knee-Jerk liberals (just as bad as the Knee-Jerk conservatives IMO mind you). Pray to all that is Holy and Good in this world that people like this guy don't decide to make another political statement this year like they did in 2000 and vote for Nader!!

eburchelli · Feb 3, 2004, 10:11 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Suburbanite,)
Trying, lord no. IT is quite clear that White Christians do control the world. Not through religion though, much more through other political vises.
<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

What makes you think it's white Christians? Most of them are Christian in name only. They are hypocrites to their faith. And these are mainly the people who give the Christian religion a bum rap. The only true Christians are those who keep their mouths shut and do good deeds because they want to. I would suggest Mother Teresa, as a good example of a quality Christian. I would not suggest the same for the Pope. Can you see what I'm getting at?

Most of the US Presidents and a lot of Congress has used the Christian religion to further themselves in the political arena. Just like puppies and kids who get uh'd and ah'd over, so do sloppy, evangelist type Christians with their insincere statements. Don't blame the politicians. They are only doing what the public falls for.

Plaything48 · Feb 3, 2004, 11:11 am

Ok, from what I remember I called this post 'are jews trying...', and what im reading is white chrisitans and western civilizations.
And eburchelli, you might want to locate the mother teresa article on this site.

FC Mellon · Feb 3, 2004, 11:25 am

Are Jews Trying To Rule The World?
...no more or no less than any one..or any other oganization/group/religion/race/political party/sex/gang/etc..etc.
Until the mind of the human race matures...then there will always be games to be played...whether they are the games of individuals...or even 'The Games of Nations'. Imho....'King of the Hill' will always be a 'popular game'...it allows everyone the chance to play...and allows everyone to change their alliances if/when they feel it is in their own best interest...no matter their 'stead in life'...remember...'games are for children'...and 'we all have the child in us'..no matter how much we 'rant and rave' 'about others' or even the 'reflections of our desires'.
8?!

eburchelli · Feb 3, 2004, 03:35 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Plaything48,)
Ok, from what I remember I called this post 'are jews trying...', and what im reading is white chrisitans and western civilizations.
And eburchelli, you might want to locate the mother teresa article on this site.<hr size="1" /></blockquote> Thanks, but probably not. If I haven't run into it by now, it must be in a thread I have no interest in, or one with so many posts when I got here, that I bypassed it.

The problem with starting a post on religion, is you rarely have control over where it's going to go. I don't think you can separate religions and only talk about Jews or Muslims or Christians, as if they are monolithic. But I'll take your hint and refrain from messing up your Jew thread with Christians.

Suburbanite · Feb 3, 2004, 08:19 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Venmax,)
Lol!! Who's snapping? I'm simply amazed at your lack of ability to keep up! You hide behind generalizations and fuzzy logic. PROVIDE SOME FACTS AND SOME VALID LOGICAL CONSTRUCTS TO BACK UP YOUR ARGUMENT. This is a DEBATE remember.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Is it? That takes the fun out of it.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (FC Mellon,)
Are Jews Trying To Rule The World?
...no more or no less than any one..or any other oganization/group/religion/race/political party/sex/gang/etc..etc.
Until the mind of the human race matures...then there will always be games to be played...whether they are the games of individuals...or even 'The Games of Nations'. Imho....'King of the Hill' will always be a 'popular game'...it allows everyone the chance to play...and allows everyone to change their alliances if/when they feel it is in their own best interest...no matter their 'stead in life'...remember...'games are for children'...and 'we all have the child in us'..no matter how much we 'rant and rave' 'about others' or even the 'reflections of our desires'.
8?!<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I think the emphasis was on their actual capability to take over the world. The only two threats to Western homogony are Judaism and, as Ven was kind enough to point out, the Asian world. I don’t think anyone is assuming an African or South American take over any time soon.

Highwayman · Feb 4, 2004, 01:19 am

A quick interjection: The Jews were forbidden to buy land in certain countries- forcing them to become shopkeepers and money lenders.

OK, and here is yet another conspiracy theory which I cooked up- sorry to say, it involves the Jews-which IS the topic here, after all:

What if the oppressed Jewish elders at the time of Christ "allowed" the disciples "to get away with" starting Christian churches? Secretly even supporting the idea? Would this not be a fantastic way of spreading the basic Judaic faith amongst the gentiles, and forever binding them to the Jewish history- and affirming the role of the Jews in the advent of Christ?

Let's face it, the Christian doctrine is not anti-Jewish, it rather confirms that the Jews are really God's "chosen people"... The Jews are the only lot who get to change their minds to accept Jesus during the judgement! If they do, they get saved! The non-jew has only his present lifetime to score a possie in heaven- once he dies, he lost the chance to convert and be saved ie not go to hell. (Which is one of those stupid incongrueties in Christian faith to me)

This is not as far fetched as some conspiracy theories- it really depends upon whether the Jewish elders at the time were ingenius(and conspirational) enough for such future projections and foresight. I always wondered why the early churches were not all dealt with by the Romans or the Jews- harrassed yes, but not wiped out as they rather easily did in them days...

Of course, there are those who say that Christianity was the real downfall of the Romans and Greeks- I don't really know the argument hehind it though, I must "confess"... LOL!

Suburbanite · Feb 4, 2004, 02:08 am

Except revelations talks about the death of all Jews. I think the bible is very anti-Jew and even more pro-Roman. And I believe the problem with the Jews was the lack of concern towards religion in the first place. I think that Christ's murder was a backfired attempt to gain control by Jews in Israel.

eburchelli · Feb 4, 2004, 11:26 am

It depends upon whether you are citing the Old or New Testament. The Old Testament is pre-Christ. The New Testament is anti-semitic in many ways because it was the portion after the birth of Christ and is considered the Christian bible. I think the Catholics shunned the Old Testament for centuries. Maybe they still do.

Suburbanite · Feb 5, 2004, 04:51 am

I think the Old Testament only comes in handy for Christians when they are talking about homosexuals and want to quote Leviticus

Feb 2, 2004, 07:07 am	#21 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Are Christians trying to take over the world? Well they did in the 1700s, 1800s, and 1900s, and even today they're spreading their faith. If theres any one culture and religion thats caused more destruction and more powerhungry than anyone else, its Christian Westerners. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Feb 2, 2004, 10:26 am	#22 (permalink) (top)
Venmax Molten Ash Posts: 28	As a side note the reason Jews are so good at handling money is because they were forced to do so for centuries by Christians who thought handling money was "Wicked". Hey - you do something long enough you get good at it. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by If theres any one culture and religion thats caused more destruction and more powerhungry than anyone else, its Christian Westerners. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Oh stop already! I suppose Mongols, Egyptians, Muslims, the Pagan Nazis, or Atheist Communists don't count. Conflict is a permanant presense in this world - no one Culture is free of the stain of evil. I'll accept the idea that Religion has been used to justify horrible atrocities, but don't try to sell me on the idea that Western Chritians are primogenitors of this sort of behavior, or even the most extreme example of it's abuse.

Feb 2, 2004, 06:15 pm	#23 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,) Are Christians trying to take over the world? Well they did in the 1700s, 1800s, and 1900s, and even today they're spreading their faith. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Trying, lord no. IT is quite clear that White Christians do control the world. Not through religion though, much more through other political vises. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Venmax,) As a side note the reason Jews are so good at handling money is because they were forced to do so for centuries by Christians who thought handling money was "Wicked". Hey - you do something long enough you get good at it.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I’m sorry but Jews did not exist out of Christianity, it is the other way around. The defining principles of Jews have long since existed prior to Christ. They were never forced to do anything of the sort.

Feb 2, 2004, 06:25 pm	#24 (permalink) (top)
Venmax Molten Ash Posts: 28	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by Trying, lord no. IT is quite clear that White Christians do control the world. Not through religion though, much more through other political vises. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Lol!! Yeah ok - tell all one Billion of the Chinese that WE control the world. Hehehe... we may have lots of Nukes Pal and people may be afraid to go to war with us, but we sure as shit don't CONTROL THE WORLD. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by I’m sorry but Jews did not exist out of Christianity, it is the other way around. The defining principles of Jews have long since existed prior to Christ. They were never forced to do anything of the sort.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> What the hell are you talking about?! How do you get the argument that "Judaism came out of Christianity" from my statement?? I said that leading up to the modern age in Europe the Christian Majority forced the Jewish Minority to handle money because they thought it was "Wicked" to do so, and they wanted the Jews to do it for them.

Feb 3, 2004, 01:11 am	#26 (permalink) (top)
PatC Molten Ash Location: Boston Posts: 105	How come everyone overlooks rich old white guys?? We're looking at the world through the barrel of a gun, are we ready?

Feb 2, 2004, 11:58 pm	#25 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	I am not talking about under religious context. I am talking about your definition of Jews. You define them in comparison to Christians, as if they are the antithesis of.

Feb 3, 2004, 01:54 am	#27 (permalink) (top)
Venmax Molten Ash Posts: 28	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by I am not talking about under religious context. I am talking about your definition of Jews. You define them in comparison to Christians, as if they are the antithesis of. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Er.... exactly at what point did I say that they were the antithesis of Christianity in that statement?! I didn't even bother to compare the two at all!! I merely pointed out the relationship the two cultures had in medieval european history as a basis for arguing that there is a specific historical context and reasoning by which the jewish stereotype of being "Moneyhandlers" could be explained!! Are you actually READING the post I made????

Feb 3, 2004, 05:15 am	#28 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	Sigh, you are aware that things like "intentions" can be gathered from communication right? You don’t have to out right say much of anything; people gather opinions not only on the words themselves but the backbone behind the comment. I apologize I made you so upset; I didn’t realize you would snap so defensively, I wasn’t being insulting.

Feb 3, 2004, 08:40 am	#29 (permalink) (top)
Venmax Molten Ash Posts: 28	Lol!! Who's snapping? I'm simply amazed at your lack of ability to keep up! You hide behind generalizations and fuzzy logic. PROVIDE SOME FACTS AND SOME VALID LOGICAL CONSTRUCTS TO BACK UP YOUR ARGUMENT. This is a DEBATE remember.

Feb 3, 2004, 09:12 am	#30 (permalink) (top)
tusaki Playful Location: Groningen, the Netherlands Posts: 805	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Venmax) Lol!! Yeah ok - tell all one Billion of the Chinese that WE control the world. Hehehe... we may have lots of Nukes Pal and people may be afraid to go to war with us, but we sure as shit don't CONTROL THE WORLD. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Western Civilizations control most of the money, the technology and the weapons of this world. Because of this they are also the most influencial politicaly. So I guess it depends on what your definition of 'control' is. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Suburbanite) Sigh, you are aware that things like "intentions" can be gathered from communication right? You don’t have to out right say much of anything; people gather opinions not only on the words themselves but the backbone behind the comment. I apologize I made you so upset; I didn’t realize you would snap so defensively, I wasn’t being insulting.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> He [Venmax] didn't say or implied anything about the origins of one religion or the other. He merely stated that (I'm not sure though, could be) in the middle-ages (a lot of) the christians used (some of) the jews to handle their money. I do agree that Venmax uses an aggressive style of argumentation and could do without all the questioning of other peoples intelligence. Hope & Dream

Feb 3, 2004, 09:27 am	#31 (permalink) (top)
Venmax Molten Ash Posts: 28	Bah!! This is the internet!! RANT!! You sure as hell can't do it in Real Life!! </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by Western Civilizations control most of the money, the technology and the weapons of this world. Because of this they are also the most influencial politicaly. So I guess it depends on what your definition of 'control' is.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> See - here you go. This is what the guy SHOULD have said. But he's one of those Knee-Jerk liberals (just as bad as the Knee-Jerk conservatives IMO mind you). Pray to all that is Holy and Good in this world that people like this guy don't decide to make another political statement this year like they did in 2000 and vote for Nader!!

Feb 3, 2004, 10:11 am	#32 (permalink) (top)
eburchelli Molten Ash Posts: 106	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Suburbanite,) Trying, lord no. IT is quite clear that White Christians do control the world. Not through religion though, much more through other political vises. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> What makes you think it's white Christians? Most of them are Christian in name only. They are hypocrites to their faith. And these are mainly the people who give the Christian religion a bum rap. The only true Christians are those who keep their mouths shut and do good deeds because they want to. I would suggest Mother Teresa, as a good example of a quality Christian. I would not suggest the same for the Pope. Can you see what I'm getting at? Most of the US Presidents and a lot of Congress has used the Christian religion to further themselves in the political arena. Just like puppies and kids who get uh'd and ah'd over, so do sloppy, evangelist type Christians with their insincere statements. Don't blame the politicians. They are only doing what the public falls for.

Feb 3, 2004, 11:11 am	#33 (permalink) (top)
Plaything48 Igneous Magma Location: London baby, yeah! Posts: 198	Ok, from what I remember I called this post 'are jews trying...', and what im reading is white chrisitans and western civilizations. And eburchelli, you might want to locate the mother teresa article on this site. A man has two reasons for doing anything --- a good reason and the real reason. Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular.

Feb 3, 2004, 11:25 am	#34 (permalink) (top)
FC Mellon Molten Ash Location: So Cal Posts: 51	Are Jews Trying To Rule The World? ...no more or no less than any one..or any other oganization/group/religion/race/political party/sex/gang/etc..etc. Until the mind of the human race matures...then there will always be games to be played...whether they are the games of individuals...or even 'The Games of Nations'. Imho....'King of the Hill' will always be a 'popular game'...it allows everyone the chance to play...and allows everyone to change their alliances if/when they feel it is in their own best interest...no matter their 'stead in life'...remember...'games are for children'...and 'we all have the child in us'..no matter how much we 'rant and rave' 'about others' or even the 'reflections of our desires'. 8?!

Feb 3, 2004, 03:35 pm	#35 (permalink) (top)
eburchelli Molten Ash Posts: 106	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Plaything48,) Ok, from what I remember I called this post 'are jews trying...', and what im reading is white chrisitans and western civilizations. And eburchelli, you might want to locate the mother teresa article on this site.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Thanks, but probably not. If I haven't run into it by now, it must be in a thread I have no interest in, or one with so many posts when I got here, that I bypassed it. The problem with starting a post on religion, is you rarely have control over where it's going to go. I don't think you can separate religions and only talk about Jews or Muslims or Christians, as if they are monolithic. But I'll take your hint and refrain from messing up your Jew thread with Christians.

Feb 3, 2004, 08:19 pm	#36 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Venmax,) Lol!! Who's snapping? I'm simply amazed at your lack of ability to keep up! You hide behind generalizations and fuzzy logic. PROVIDE SOME FACTS AND SOME VALID LOGICAL CONSTRUCTS TO BACK UP YOUR ARGUMENT. This is a DEBATE remember.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Is it? That takes the fun out of it. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (FC Mellon,) Are Jews Trying To Rule The World? ...no more or no less than any one..or any other oganization/group/religion/race/political party/sex/gang/etc..etc. Until the mind of the human race matures...then there will always be games to be played...whether they are the games of individuals...or even 'The Games of Nations'. Imho....'King of the Hill' will always be a 'popular game'...it allows everyone the chance to play...and allows everyone to change their alliances if/when they feel it is in their own best interest...no matter their 'stead in life'...remember...'games are for children'...and 'we all have the child in us'..no matter how much we 'rant and rave' 'about others' or even the 'reflections of our desires'. 8?!<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I think the emphasis was on their actual capability to take over the world. The only two threats to Western homogony are Judaism and, as Ven was kind enough to point out, the Asian world. I don’t think anyone is assuming an African or South American take over any time soon.

Feb 4, 2004, 01:19 am	#37 (permalink) (top)
Highwayman Molten Ash Posts: 34	A quick interjection: The Jews were forbidden to buy land in certain countries- forcing them to become shopkeepers and money lenders. OK, and here is yet another conspiracy theory which I cooked up- sorry to say, it involves the Jews-which IS the topic here, after all: What if the oppressed Jewish elders at the time of Christ "allowed" the disciples "to get away with" starting Christian churches? Secretly even supporting the idea? Would this not be a fantastic way of spreading the basic Judaic faith amongst the gentiles, and forever binding them to the Jewish history- and affirming the role of the Jews in the advent of Christ? Let's face it, the Christian doctrine is not anti-Jewish, it rather confirms that the Jews are really God's "chosen people"... The Jews are the only lot who get to change their minds to accept Jesus during the judgement! If they do, they get saved! The non-jew has only his present lifetime to score a possie in heaven- once he dies, he lost the chance to convert and be saved ie not go to hell. (Which is one of those stupid incongrueties in Christian faith to me) This is not as far fetched as some conspiracy theories- it really depends upon whether the Jewish elders at the time were ingenius(and conspirational) enough for such future projections and foresight. I always wondered why the early churches were not all dealt with by the Romans or the Jews- harrassed yes, but not wiped out as they rather easily did in them days... Of course, there are those who say that Christianity was the real downfall of the Romans and Greeks- I don't really know the argument hehind it though, I must "confess"... LOL!

Feb 4, 2004, 02:08 am	#38 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	Except revelations talks about the death of all Jews. I think the bible is very anti-Jew and even more pro-Roman. And I believe the problem with the Jews was the lack of concern towards religion in the first place. I think that Christ's murder was a backfired attempt to gain control by Jews in Israel.

Feb 4, 2004, 11:26 am	#39 (permalink) (top)
eburchelli Molten Ash Posts: 106	It depends upon whether you are citing the Old or New Testament. The Old Testament is pre-Christ. The New Testament is anti-semitic in many ways because it was the portion after the birth of Christ and is considered the Christian bible. I think the Catholics shunned the Old Testament for centuries. Maybe they still do.

Feb 5, 2004, 04:51 am	#40 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	I think the Old Testament only comes in handy for Christians when they are talking about homosexuals and want to quote Leviticus