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Gorgo · Apr 25, 2005, 03:33 pm

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Adn you would piss your pants if I, or any other member of the Armed Forces decided you need an objective lesson in reality. You are a PUSSY. You talk trash on a lefting, hate America forum. Wow... when was the last time you got SHOT at to defend your country..

I think you're the only one making threats on an internet discussion forum, sir.

Lou Minotti · Apr 25, 2005, 03:44 pm

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Adn you would piss your pants if I, or any other member of the Armed Forces decided you need an objective lesson in reality. You are a PUSSY. You talk trash on a lefting, hate America forum. Wow... when was the last time you got SHOT at to defend your country.. oh that's right, we aren't risking our lives for you, it's for a big crime syndaicate that only enlightenned people like you can see...

I'm sorry your failed paradigm ends in you and your jarheaded buddies beating the guy that's trying to save you but such is life...OK, Im a pussy because some overweight phony bootlicking chickenhawk who thinks sex+halo= sophistication says so...riiight....How is invading defenseless puppet nations "defending my country?" You know, I'm beginning to see more and more how deadly ignorance is....

But Vicchio, don't take all this personally. There is hope for you and your Satan-serving comrades. Leave the military, study the Constitution and the writings connected to it, learn what your country was founded to be, start asking real questions and DEMAND answers. Easy....

bishop · Apr 25, 2005, 06:28 pm

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Sorry Bishop I disagree, to suggest that the people of America are not isolationist (at least relavtively), especially the conservative elements.

not really sure what you were trying to say in that sentence. but, it does seem like you summarily wrote-off the examples i gave to refute your argument. you do realize, i hope, that "conservative" is either too general of a term, or it's a term that's been misused to the point where it needs to be redefined. i like the traditional definition, which includes isolationism - but again, the wars i mentioned run in stark contrast to these ideals that you believe are rampant in american society.

bishop · Apr 25, 2005, 06:32 pm

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Oh wise hick?

Well first off Iraq was in violation of the cease fire, of 14 UN Resolutions, and the UN's stamp fo approval is worth... dog shit. What good has the UN doen in the last 40 years? It's a corrupt organization.

Better to pull out of the UN, kick the UN off US soil, and stand up a new organization with one membership requirement. Democratic system of goverment, required for entry.

And don't call me a hick Bishop, if you want, since is the boiler room to get into a name calling contest, lets start a new thread and have at it.

well, you are a hick, aren't you? i'm happy flaming you right here. that's why i started this thread in the first place you uneducated twit.

funny that you use the u.n. for justification of bush's war on one hand, and then you say that it's an organization that we shouldn't pay attention to on the other.. i.e. saying that the u.n. is something that we should subvert as much as possible.

IndieC · Apr 25, 2005, 08:28 pm

twit... yes... sounds just right...

You know, i'll be perfectly honest. I think the US armed service personnel are all stupid. I mean, i haven't seen anything to contradict it yet... Lets see, they shoot down allied aircraft, forget to plan for an exit strategy, forget to research on how the people will react, are naive enough to think that they will welcome an invasion of their nation by a bunch of weirdos who eat McDonalds and don't even speak the language, bomb foreign embassies by mistake. Fire on hotels known to have journalists inside them, attack allied convoys when journalists are accomanying them (See Simpson's world in BBC World), recruit people who want to join because they thought the film "Full Metal Jacket" was cool, and wanted to do what they did, need i go on!? Its pathetic, it really is... In the UK armed forces, people actually join because they want to serve their country, people who say "it'll be cool" don't get in. They aren't reliable. Oh, yes... The Brits know that if you kill someone in Iraq, the whole family comes after you, and the families are big over there. The Americans don't seem to care, and so provoke the hate of the people, and get more and more people rising up against them...

One last thing. Does anyone know the actual amount of dead in Iraq? I do.. here you go: 1562 american soldiers have died since the insurgency started, so that's not including the war. Those figures are as of last thursday, and were mentioned in a lecture i had on the war on terror. As for the US wounded, estimates range from 11(officially) to 20(unofficially) thousand. That is huge considering the actual size of the US army... As for Iraqis, the US refuse to tell us the figures, saying "we don't do body counts", but it is now a known fact that they do, because every time a civilian is killed, a report has to be written up, and archived... The estimates on Iraqi dead range from 20 thousand to 100 thousand. I believe that's about a tenth of the size of the US army? In September of last year, 1,100 US soldiers were wounded in fighting. Do you know how many that is per day? 35 to 36 a day! That would add up to almost 13 thousand a year if every month were like that. How can you Americans justify that? Loosing so many people for the sake of... what? Oil? Some idiot's power-hungry ambitions? Stopping Terrorism?

That last one is a laugh considering no-one knows where Osama is... In fact, no-one has heard from him since he turned off his satellite phone. What is the US doing to catch him? He sure as hell wasn't in Iraq... so what is the US doing there? George Tenet in his Autobiography, talks of the fact that he found absolutely no evidence whatsoever linking Iraq to 9/11. There was loads linking Saudi Arabia though... Weird isn't it? You take out one oppressive regime, but leave an other, more oppressive regime alone. Even better! You become allies with the other one! Something ain't right lads... The US is allies with the one which should be the prime suspect, and invaded one which was not connected at all with the crime... If the police did that, they wouldn't be very effective at stopping crime. The US isn't very effective at stopping terrorism is it? No...

Sorry, it just ain't good enough for me, and shouldn't be for anyone else unless they are, quite frankly either brainwashed or retarded...

Mr.Vicchio · Apr 25, 2005, 08:39 pm

Twit, hick... worhty of flaming it would seem.

Hey IndieC, you can feel that way about the US Armed Forces, and the members that consitute it's ranks. But when it comes down to it, you talk shit, but you lack courage. Those men and women out there serving, are ready to risk thier lives... die tomorrow if it came down to it... for something greater then themselves.

I seriously doubt you have that sort of courage, honor or moral conviction to lay your life down, so that others could live. You might, bring a sign to a protest about something that someone told you was bad, and feel like you did your part to make a better world... You must be very proud of yourself.

bishop · Apr 25, 2005, 08:48 pm

yeah.. we all should be ready to die for some politician's bogus war.. why don't you go and volunteer rambo? how about you send your income tax refund to iraq too?

one thing to fight and possibly die to protect one's country, another to fight for foreigners. but distort things how you like. your head's so far up the propaganda machine's ass as it is. people fighting for the iraqis - i pity them.

**Chris the Chees** · Apr 25, 2005, 08:48 pm

Those men and women out there serving, are ready to risk thier lives... die tomorrow if it came down to it... for something greater then themselves.

I seriously doubt you have that sort of courage, honor or moral conviction to lay your life down, so that others could live.

If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,-
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

Wilfred Owen

IndieC · Apr 25, 2005, 08:51 pm

Oh how very funny... I don't have the honour or courage? Guess what i will be doing in life! I will be laying down my life to help others. I have said this before on this forum, if you read my posts i'm sure you will find it... Do you know how i will be laying down my life? I will be going into crises, half of which i'm sure the US will have had a hand in, and i will be trying to resolve it. It is called crisis management. I will be a part of a team who are the first to arrive, and the first to leave. The ones who are most at risk. They don't have guns, they have to rely on others for defense. they are simply strategists, and normal people, trying to help out, and trying to bring safety and security to regions which have slumped into crisis.

Yes, i am very proud of what i will become... are you? Tell me, what will you become? Are you going to risk your life to help others? Will it be of your own free choice? It will be of mine. I have aspired to it since the age of 16...

So... i talk shit and i lack courage do i? You don't know shit if you make unfounded accusations like that. Go get a life, and let me know when you have... I'll give you a little star, and a pat on the back.

Mr.Vicchio · Apr 25, 2005, 08:55 pm

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yeah.. we all should be ready to die for some politician's bogus war.. why don't you go and volunteer rambo? how about you send your income tax refund to iraq too?

one thing to fight and possibly die to protect one's country, another to fight for foreigners. but distort things how you like. your head's so far up the propaganda machine's ass as it is. people fighting for the iraqis - i pity them.

Too late to volunteer Bishop. I don't talk smack as a civilian.

Thanks for playing.

**Chris the Chees** · Apr 25, 2005, 09:02 pm

"They gave their blood and were willing to offer the supreme sacrifice for the mother country. Until the time when a nation has the right of sitting proud among other nations the surest sign of its strength, the highest title of its nobility, the vital food needed to reach greatness, will always be given by those who shed their blood and laid down their lives for their immortal country."

By the way, this Mr V is a product of my education. I'm rather proud of this quotation.

**Sean** · Apr 25, 2005, 09:13 pm

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Mr.Vicchio · Apr 25, 2005, 09:13 pm

And my education points out what you have missed. Giving ones life for ones country is a duty any citzen has (namely those from countries where they have a say in thier government) But giving ones life for a person in another country to live free, to have a chance requires a different kind of courage, and sacrifice.

Apr 25, 2005, 08:28 pm	#85 (permalink) (top)
IndieC Igneous Magma Location: UK Posts: 303	twit... yes... sounds just right... You know, i'll be perfectly honest. I think the US armed service personnel are all stupid. I mean, i haven't seen anything to contradict it yet... Lets see, they shoot down allied aircraft, forget to plan for an exit strategy, forget to research on how the people will react, are naive enough to think that they will welcome an invasion of their nation by a bunch of weirdos who eat McDonalds and don't even speak the language, bomb foreign embassies by mistake. Fire on hotels known to have journalists inside them, attack allied convoys when journalists are accomanying them (See Simpson's world in BBC World), recruit people who want to join because they thought the film "Full Metal Jacket" was cool, and wanted to do what they did, need i go on!? Its pathetic, it really is... In the UK armed forces, people actually join because they want to serve their country, people who say "it'll be cool" don't get in. They aren't reliable. Oh, yes... The Brits know that if you kill someone in Iraq, the whole family comes after you, and the families are big over there. The Americans don't seem to care, and so provoke the hate of the people, and get more and more people rising up against them... One last thing. Does anyone know the actual amount of dead in Iraq? I do.. here you go: 1562 american soldiers have died since the insurgency started, so that's not including the war. Those figures are as of last thursday, and were mentioned in a lecture i had on the war on terror. As for the US wounded, estimates range from 11(officially) to 20(unofficially) thousand. That is huge considering the actual size of the US army... As for Iraqis, the US refuse to tell us the figures, saying "we don't do body counts", but it is now a known fact that they do, because every time a civilian is killed, a report has to be written up, and archived... The estimates on Iraqi dead range from 20 thousand to 100 thousand. I believe that's about a tenth of the size of the US army? In September of last year, 1,100 US soldiers were wounded in fighting. Do you know how many that is per day? 35 to 36 a day! That would add up to almost 13 thousand a year if every month were like that. How can you Americans justify that? Loosing so many people for the sake of... what? Oil? Some idiot's power-hungry ambitions? Stopping Terrorism? That last one is a laugh considering no-one knows where Osama is... In fact, no-one has heard from him since he turned off his satellite phone. What is the US doing to catch him? He sure as hell wasn't in Iraq... so what is the US doing there? George Tenet in his Autobiography, talks of the fact that he found absolutely no evidence whatsoever linking Iraq to 9/11. There was loads linking Saudi Arabia though... Weird isn't it? You take out one oppressive regime, but leave an other, more oppressive regime alone. Even better! You become allies with the other one! Something ain't right lads... The US is allies with the one which should be the prime suspect, and invaded one which was not connected at all with the crime... If the police did that, they wouldn't be very effective at stopping crime. The US isn't very effective at stopping terrorism is it? No... Sorry, it just ain't good enough for me, and shouldn't be for anyone else unless they are, quite frankly either brainwashed or retarded... "Never before in the history of warfare had destruction been so indiscriminate and universal" - makes you think of Hiroshima... -H.G. Wells, The War of the Worlds

Apr 25, 2005, 08:39 pm	#86 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	Twit, hick... worhty of flaming it would seem. Hey IndieC, you can feel that way about the US Armed Forces, and the members that consitute it's ranks. But when it comes down to it, you talk shit, but you lack courage. Those men and women out there serving, are ready to risk thier lives... die tomorrow if it came down to it... for something greater then themselves. I seriously doubt you have that sort of courage, honor or moral conviction to lay your life down, so that others could live. You might, bring a sign to a protest about something that someone told you was bad, and feel like you did your part to make a better world... You must be very proud of yourself. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Apr 25, 2005, 08:48 pm	#87 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	yeah.. we all should be ready to die for some politician's bogus war.. why don't you go and volunteer rambo? how about you send your income tax refund to iraq too? one thing to fight and possibly die to protect one's country, another to fight for foreigners. but distort things how you like. your head's so far up the propaganda machine's ass as it is. people fighting for the iraqis - i pity them. hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Apr 25, 2005, 08:48 pm	#88 (permalink) (top)
Chris the Chees Moderator Location: Wales Posts: 2,245	Those men and women out there serving, are ready to risk thier lives... die tomorrow if it came down to it... for something greater then themselves. I seriously doubt you have that sort of courage, honor or moral conviction to lay your life down, so that others could live. If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs, Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,- My friend, you would not tell with such high zest To children ardent for some desperate glory, The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori. Wilfred Owen Society may be formed so as to exist without crime, without poverty, […] no obstacle whatsoever intervenes at this moment except ignorance to prevent such a state of society. Robert Owen

Apr 25, 2005, 08:51 pm	#89 (permalink) (top)
IndieC Igneous Magma Location: UK Posts: 303	Oh how very funny... I don't have the honour or courage? Guess what i will be doing in life! I will be laying down my life to help others. I have said this before on this forum, if you read my posts i'm sure you will find it... Do you know how i will be laying down my life? I will be going into crises, half of which i'm sure the US will have had a hand in, and i will be trying to resolve it. It is called crisis management. I will be a part of a team who are the first to arrive, and the first to leave. The ones who are most at risk. They don't have guns, they have to rely on others for defense. they are simply strategists, and normal people, trying to help out, and trying to bring safety and security to regions which have slumped into crisis. Yes, i am very proud of what i will become... are you? Tell me, what will you become? Are you going to risk your life to help others? Will it be of your own free choice? It will be of mine. I have aspired to it since the age of 16... So... i talk shit and i lack courage do i? You don't know shit if you make unfounded accusations like that. Go get a life, and let me know when you have... I'll give you a little star, and a pat on the back. "Never before in the history of warfare had destruction been so indiscriminate and universal" - makes you think of Hiroshima... -H.G. Wells, The War of the Worlds

Apr 25, 2005, 09:02 pm	#91 (permalink) (top)
Chris the Chees Moderator Location: Wales Posts: 2,245	"They gave their blood and were willing to offer the supreme sacrifice for the mother country. Until the time when a nation has the right of sitting proud among other nations the surest sign of its strength, the highest title of its nobility, the vital food needed to reach greatness, will always be given by those who shed their blood and laid down their lives for their immortal country." By the way, this Mr V is a product of my education. I'm rather proud of this quotation. Society may be formed so as to exist without crime, without poverty, […] no obstacle whatsoever intervenes at this moment except ignorance to prevent such a state of society. Robert Owen Last edited by Chris the Chees; Apr 25, 2005 at 09:06 pm.

Apr 25, 2005, 09:13 pm	#92 (permalink) (top)
Sean former overlord Location: New York Posts: 2,383	After talking with some of the mods we have decided that this topic has gone way too far, and is subject to our right of limited-moderation. This is considered abusive towards a specific user. I would not let it get this far for any of you.

Apr 25, 2005, 09:13 pm	#93 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	And my education points out what you have missed. Giving ones life for ones country is a duty any citzen has (namely those from countries where they have a say in thier government) But giving ones life for a person in another country to live free, to have a chance requires a different kind of courage, and sacrifice. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?