Mexico on the scene:

[gr8fuldaniel]

Since nunez, persists in racial slurs this topic belongs in the Boiler Room. Or are only some racists allowed to insult a whole nation?

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: rmnunez Zee, I don't advocate immigration, would much prefer undocumented Mexicans could find adequate employment at home (most Mexicans feel this way too). I dispute the idea immigration is a manifestation affirmatively sought by the Mexican government due to its inefficiencies in job generation. Another matter of dispute is this perception Mexicans migrate to slurp at the government trough on generous gringan handouts.

Since there is no such word as gringan, this is nothing MORE then using the slur.

Bigots have no place on this board.


Post reported to the authorites.

[Joe Dangerous]

Calm down guys -- his ideals are indefensible enough without having to resort to wounded rhetoric about his stupid choice of words.

I dispute the idea immigration is a manifestation affirmatively sought by the Mexican government due to its inefficiencies in job generation.

Probably not, though not having to deal with the political demands of its proles is certainly a fringe benefit. As I have said elsewhere, Mexico's openly stated reason for helping to smuggle immigrants across the border is called acercamiento -- it is literally established a voting bloc that will advance its interests.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Joe, it woudn't be a huge deal if he didn't go to such lengths to provoke us.

He's an admitted Bigot and the word "gringo" is a slur, he knws it, admitted it and was called out.

Now he's making up words...

[gr8fuldaniel]

His post right before that one ...

Quote by: rmnunez Vic, most gringoes

...had the wrong spelling of gringos. Like saying niggars, the intent is there. I say ban the guy.

[Mr.Vicchio]

That's up to Sean, just report and explain your complaint

[bishop]

we raised the same complaints several weeks ago - they went nowhere. the boss thinks we should just live with it.

[rmnunez]

not having to deal with the political demands of its proles is certainly a fringe benefit

Normally it would seem so, but under what has been refered to as the "institutional dictatorship" which ruled Mexico for over 7 decades, there was negligible accountability, let alone political demands from any "proles".

Mexico's openly stated reason for helping to smuggle immigrants across the border is called acercamiento

Acercamiento means approchement in the French sense, a drawing closer with respect to another, the opposite of "chilling" (relations). In reference to international relations the term is often used to describe improved diplomatic relations.

it is literally establish(ing) a voting bloc that will advance its interests.

I think this is less the result of some Mexican initiative than a consequence of gringan indisposition to live by the terms of their own laws.

At this point there could be anywhere between 10 and 20 million undocumenteds of Mexican birth living in the US. These people have shown they have no intent to become gringoes, despite qualifying by tenure and even birth in many cases. The gringoes deny them services and rights, they reject these attitudes but remain. Now Mexican politicians are realizing the potential value of this constituency, anyone who calls for legalizing undocumenteds on the campaign trail in Mexico automatically enjoys wholehearted support from his countrymen in the US.

I honestly doubt the US could survive if they got rid of up to 20 million undocumenteds. I know they have the resources, technology and manpower to actually "get rid" of that many, but wonder who would fill their places? I know the average gringo doesn't want to face an average 20% hike in the costs of every service and most products consumed and I doubt that cost could be absorbed by private business or the government together.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: rmnunez I honestly doubt the US could survive if they got rid of up to 20 million undocumenteds.

We wont survive without wetb@cks? Only one way to find out. ADIOS.

[Sean]

rmnunez, I have warned you before, and you even agreed to stop using the word. Please stop. If I get more reports I am going to have to issue a warning, and consider a topic move.

Oh and Bishop, do not put words in my mouth. I never told you to "deal with it". How about actually reading what I had to say in the boiler-room thread on it.

[bishop]

i've occassionally been a fan of mining the border. once the tacos start getting their limbs blown off, maybe then they'll think twice before they invade our country. too bad our sack of shit politicians have no interest in defending the border - isn't that one of the most basic functions of government???

[rmnunez]

Adios, take me off your user list and don't invite me back, Sean!

[Sean]

Because I asked you to do what you agreed to do? The term is offensive to a majority here, and you continue to use it.

When I asked you nicely to stop, and even avoided giving you warning points, you run off? No comprimise?

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: rmnunez Adios, take me off your user list and don't invite me back, Sean!

AMF and vaya con tacos!!

[rmnunez]

Late yesterday Mexican congress approved a law Fox ratified today which will allow about 4 million Mexicans working in the US (mostly undocumenteds) to vote in the presidential elections next year. Fox’s PAN party supports the legislation out of principle, the old PRI supports it with lectoral interests and the PRD, which bills itself as the “socially responsible” (leftish) party opposed the bill.

The 28th, appropriately a day of special observance for the devotees of St. Jude, patron of lost causes, Mexican expatriates obtained a long unfairly denied right. Many wonder how 'Americanized' Mexicans might vote, my estimation is more conservative than their compatriots at home (I think this must be why the PRD opposed the law). PRI and PAN already have proselitizing offices in several major US cities with large Mexican communities and one of the PRI candidates is said to have US feminist money backing. The PAN is alleged to have raised substantial contributions north of the border in Fox’s campaign. So these 2 parties see a constituency, are cultivating ties with them and can give them a voice in Mexican politics.

The PRD whose best known figure is Mexico City’s mayor (stepping down the 29th to campaign for the presidency and billed as the most likely to succeed in 2006) opposed from the beginning any initiative to give Mexicans in the US the same rights US citizens in Mexico already enjoy. They said the elections had to be at polling stations, that special ids would be needed, that there wasn’t enough time to train the people to man these consular voting booths, they highlighted the potential for fraud, the complications with illiterates, difficulties in arranging for interministerial coordination between those controlling the diplomats and those staffing the polling stations, the arrangements needed to do this in compliance with international law, concerns over proselitizing and fundraising abroad.

It is difficult to see how a party that campaigns as working-class, socially responsible, concerned over the discriminated, indigenous, marginalized, disenfranchised and poor, can oppose on any grounds efforts that seek to bring them the rights their more fortunate compatriots at home enjoy (who didn’t have to risk life and limb in a dangerous and illicit enterprise to feed their families). The obstacles they raised have been addressed and the legislation is a “work in progress”, Mexicans will vote overseas by mail, existing national id will be sufficient, fundraising and proselitizing are within discrete jurisdictions of federal electoral institutions. Hopefully Mexicans in the US will remember come election time who stood with them in their arduous struggle and reject the PRD’s bid.

[rmnunez]

The Rev. Jesse Jackson and the NAACP demanded on Wednesday that the Mexican government withdraw a postage stamp depicting an exaggerated black cartoon character known as Memín Pinguín, issued just weeks after remarks by President Vicente Fox angered US blacks. The series of five stamps released for general use Wednesday depicts a child character from a comic book started in the 1940s that is still published in Mexico. The boy, hapless but lovable, is drawn with exaggerated features, thick lips and wide-open eyes. His appearance, speech and mannerisms are the subject of kidding by white characters in the comic book.

"I am calling on President Fox and (Mexican) Ambassador Carlos de Icaza to issue a complete and full apology and to take this stamp off the market immediately," Jackson said in a press statement. The NAACP the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People called the stamps "injurious to black people who live in the United States and Mexico." NAACP Interim President Dennis Courtland Hayes called on Mexico to immediately cease printing and distributing the stamp. "It is inexplicable that the Mexican government would not comprehend the insensitivity of the negative depiction of blacks on this stamp," Hayes said.

Mexico defended the stamps, saying that like Speedy Gonzalez a cartoon mouse with a Mexican accent that debuted in the United States in 1953 the Memín Pinguín character shouldn't be interpreted as a racial slur. "Just as Speedy Gonzalez has never been interpreted in a racial manner by the people in Mexico, because he is a cartoon character, I am certain that this commemorative postage stamp is not intended to be interpreted on a racial basis in Mexico or anywhere else," said Rafael Laveaga, the spokesman for the Mexican embassy in Washington. But Hayes countered that "laughing at the expense of hardworking African Americans or African Mexicans is no joke and it should end at once."

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Carlos Caballero, assistant marketing director for the Mexican Postal Service, said the stamps are not offensive, nor were they intended to be. "This is a traditional character that reflects part of Mexico's culture," Caballero said. "His mischievous nature is part of that character."

http://www2.eluniversal.com.mx/pls/i...34&tabla=miami

Memín Pinguín is considered one of the most representative cartoons with the geatest readership in Mexico. On the international scene the character has also been highly recognized. In 1985 the Philippine Ministry of Education made Memin Pinguin required reading in primary school as they found the character "fostered respect and family values among students".

http://www.cronica.com.mx/nota.php?idc=189213

[rmnunez]

There will be clashes for prominence and recognition between hispanics and blacks in the US for a bit now as the hispanics reach majority status (by 2010 according to the US Census). I anticipate a Mexican president in the Oval Office within 3 elections, it will be interesting to see what is done with Affirmative Action then.

The number of foreign-born residents in the US in 2004 came to 34 million and they were 12% of the total population. Another 30 million there are “second-generation” with at least one of their parents from abroad. Among the foreign-born, 53% are hispanic. Legal permanent residence in the US in 2003 was issued to 706,000. One in four settled in California, and 1-in-10 in the New York metro area. In 2003 some 463,000 people became naturalized US citizens. Mexico contributed the highest number of naturalized citizens in 2003 (56,100), followed by India (29,800), the Philippines (29,100), Vietnam (26,000) and China (24,000).

The US Census Bureau calculated blacks in the US amounted to 12.7% of the population, while hispanics were 12.6% in 2000. By 2010 the blacks were expected to reach 13.1 and hispanics would be at 15.5% of the population.

http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/usinte...projtab01a.pdf

http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/usinterimproj/

[letxa2000]

rmunez: I anticipate a Mexican president in the Oval Office within 3 elections

What in the world are you talking about, a "Mexican" president in the Oval Office?

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: letxa2000 What in the world are you talking about, a "Mexican" president in the Oval Office?

He's a racist, it's his way of trying to tweak peoples noses. Don't let him get you all pissed off.

To be eligble to be President one must be natural born. I.E. an American. He doesn't want to admit that there are latino's in this world that don't consider themselves Mexican.

[letxa2000]

Gotcha. He probably thinks that Mexican speak "Mexican", too. Sad, thanks for the tip.