WTC Structural Failure Hearings

[Rainbow]

( http://www.prisonplanet.com/hijack_suspect..._in_morocco.htm )
I followed that link.
Yet another example of a terrible negligence and incompetency,
by U.S. intelligence agency (F.B.I.)
It is quite similar to a case involved with I.N.S. , and documents for one of the 09/11/2001 hijackers - issued after his death.

[gr8fuldaniel]

You know what it means, dont you? He survived crashing a jumbo jet into the WTC. This isnt so odd though, there have been, what? 5 others who were among the hijackers who turned up alive. One of them was a jewler.

[Rainbow]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, You know what it means, dont you? He survived crashing a jumbo jet into the WTC. This isnt so odd though, there have been, what? 5 others who were among the hijackers who turned up alive. One of them was a jewler.

No, it does not mean that he survived 09/11/2001 events as one of the persons who hijakced a plane. It means F.B.I. posted a wrong information for that person I.D.

[Texans 4 Furors]

Originally posted by Rainbow, ( http://www.prisonplanet.com/hijack_suspect..._in_morocco.htm ) I followed that link. Yet another example of a terrible negligence and incompetency, by U.S. intelligence agency (F.B.I.) It is quite similar to a case involved with I.N.S. , and documents for one of the 09/11/2001 hijackers - issued after his death.

So, why do will still call them the "19" and still use his picture? what about the other guy mentioned in this article?

[Rainbow]

Originally posted by Texans 4 Furors, So, why do will still call them the "19" and still use his picture? what about the other guy mentioned in this article?

Read my previous post addressed to gr8fuldaniel in that matter.

[Texans 4 Furors]

Doesn't answer my question.

[Rainbow]

Originally posted by Texans 4 Furors, Doesn't answer my question.

Yes, it does.
F.B.I. messed up with the information on that man's identity.

[Texans 4 Furors]

Originally posted by Texans 4 Furors,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Texans 4 Furors,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Rainbow, ( http://www.prisonplanet.com/hijack_suspect..._in_morocco.htm ) I followed that link. Yet another example of a terrible negligence and incompetency, by U.S. intelligence agency (F.B.I.) It is quite similar to a case involved with I.N.S. , and documents for one of the 09/11/2001 hijackers - issued after his death.

So, why do will still call them the "19" and still use his picture? what about the other guy mentioned in this article?[/b][/quote]

[Dieval]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gr8fuldaniel,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Texan@ Not everything is a conspiracy. Just the conspiracies are conspiracies. 19 guys hijacking planes is a conspiracy. Without sufficient evidence to back the claim it is a conspiracy theory. Is this a "theory"? <!--QuoteBegin-Dieval, Anything coming from a site like "prisonplanet" should be suspect and not taken at face value...

Did you even bother to to click the link? It is an indirect link to BBC. Typical for you guys lately , who dont have any defense against facts, so you shoot the messenger. I need to get that on a digital rubber stamp. At least until you guys can come up with some believable excuses.

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It's still never quite what you make it out to be...
Waleed M. Alshehri

Controversy The BBC reported on September 23, 2001, that a man named Waleed A. al-Shehri (not Waleed M. al-Shehri) was alive and well in Casablanca, Morocco, working as a pilot for Saudi Airlines. He had trained in Florida in the mid-1990's and his personal details were subsequently confused with those of the hijacker. (It is possible that the photos of al-Shehri released by the FBI are of this man, although that is unclear.) He has since appeared in many newspaper and television interviews. He was interviewed by US officials in Morocco, and cleared of all charges against him. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm[http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/t...ap092201.html] http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timelin...ddle092101.html[http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...01probe.story] He was not the same individual as the hijacker who came from an impoverished border region of Saudi Arabia and had never finished college or attended flight school.

[Texans 4 Furors]

Why do will still call them the "19" and continue to use their pictures?

[Dieval]

Originally posted by Texans 4 Furors, So, why do will still call them the "19" and still use his picture?

There are 2 of them -
Waleed M. al-Shehri - the hijacker
&
Waleed A. al-Shehri - the BBC guy

[gr8fuldaniel]

Does this stuff give you the creeps?
What if....................

Rense Plans To Scrap WTC Towers For $5.6 Bn In 1989! From Karl W. B. Schwarz kw.schwarz@worldnet.att.net 12-6-4 To Jimmy Walter Hi Jimmy, your comment completely misses the point. That is why, in 1989, they planned a $5.6 billion takedown and rebuild, it was tanked. The witness came to me...and we are protecting them. The building had the structural equivalent of osteoporosis. I am about to fund $25-50 million to THE LAWSUIT - United States Citizens v United States Government. Something major happened over the past several days. Karl There was a 1989 meeting and the folks at the architectural firm [Emory Roth, the project architect that took over after the design architects completed the conceptual drawings] that had their office, records, plans and specs seized - were told that the $5.6 billion "take it down, rebuild it" project was cancelled and in about "10-12 years" they would "blow it up and start over". Consider that - and consider that NYC and the US Govt could not stand the global embarrassment of being so stupid or negligent that they did not consider the effects of galvanic corrosion on the superstructure. That is structural design 101 in architectural school and why they want architects to take physics and chemistry for Christ's sake. I did.

Can you imagine the expense of a legitimate tear down of this magnitude? They would have to close down Manhatten and expect to have collateral damage. They admittedly used Asbestos, so can they legally bring the buildings down with explosives? Or would they have to bring it down piece by piece, that would take a year or more for each WTC tower!!!!!

[Lou Minotti]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BUN410B.html

Two men who worked extensively in the wreckage of the World Trade Center claim they helped federal agents find three of the four “black boxes” from the jetliners that struck the towers on 9/11 - contradicting the official account.

[PatrickHenry]

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/black_box.html

“It’s extremely rare that we don’t get the recorders back,’ said NTSB spokesman Ted Lopatkiewicz. “I can’t remember another case which we did not recover the recorders.”

It was a truly miraculous event wasn't it?

[gr8fuldaniel]

Gag order from the "Pillars of Morality" on witnesses to the Crime of the Century

WTC Rescue Workers Silenced After Discovery Of Black Boxes American Free Press | December 13, 2004 by Greg Szymanski A 9-11 rescue worker recently came forward to say he was told by FBI agents to “keep my mouth shut” about one of the “black boxes” a fellow firefighter helped locate at ground zero, contradicting the official story that none of the flight and cockpit data recorders were ever recovered in the wreckage of the World Trade Center (WTC) towers. Honorary firefighter Mike Bellone claims he was approached by unknown bureau agents a short time after he and his partner, Nicholas DeMasi, a retired New York firefighter, found three of the four “black boxes” among the WTC rubble before January 2002. The pair first claimed in an August 2003 book entitled Behind the Scene: Ground Zero to have found the data recorders. DeMasi said the “black boxes” were found while he traversed “ground zero” in his all-terrain vehicle (ATV) with three federal agents. FBI and New York fire officials have denied ever finding the voice and data recorders. Now Bellone claims agents were adamant about keeping the discovery a secret. “They confronted me and told me to not to say anything,” recalled Bellone, referring to one of three reddish-orange boxes with two white stripes he saw in the back of DeMasi’s ATV. “I said, ‘Give me a good reason.’ When they couldn’t, I told them I wouldn’t shut up about it. “Why should I? I have nothing to hide and nothing to gain. It’s the truth, and Nick and I are sticking to our story as we always have.” Bellone said he and DeMasi were not the only 9-11 rescue workers to see the “black boxes.” He said there were several other witnesses and said he knows they have been silenced by federal agents. “I know two or three others saw what went down, but they are not talking,” said Bellone. “They got to those guys after they talked to me. The only reason I can figure they are trying to hide the truth is that the government knows it screwed up, and the recorders would prove it.” Asked to give names of the other witnesses, he said he wouldn’t break a fellow worker’s confidence by revealing his identity. “I can tell you this, though, it was all very strange. I worked on the spaceship Columbia cleanup, and you know when something important is found and when something is not,” he said. The day the “black boxes” were secretly carted away, agents acted like “something big was going down,” he added. Bellone said he never learned the FBI agents’ names as this type of personal contact and information wasn’t exchanged between the civilian workers and government officials working side-by-side at ground zero. “They had on their FBI jackets, but I’m sure I could pick them out of a lineup or recognize their pictures,” said Bellone. The pair’s bombshell accusations blow a big hole in the official story as well as the findings in the recent 9-11 commission report.” In Chapter 1, footnote 76, there is the sole but definitive reference to the airline “black boxes”: “The CVR’s and the FDR’s [voice and flight data recorders] from American 11 and United 175 were not found.” Asked if DeMasi and Bellone were questioned or subpoenaed, commission spokesman Al Felzenberg said: “I can’t tell you now if he was one of the 1,200 people we interviewed or if the book was one of the countless ones we researched. We explored every lead, but I will try to find out if we talked with him and get back to you.” Bellone said commission members never contacted him or DeMasi and never asked the two to appear before the group even though the book was published well before the hearings commenced. “I have been contacted by only one newspaper reporter, from The Philadelphia Daily News,” said Bellone, referring to an October 2004 story by reporter William Bunch, who recapped DeMasi’s statements as well as the usual official denials. More.....

Im sure there is a good reason for 911 commission to lie to us. Maybe its for our own good that we dont know WHAT REALLY HAPPENED

[gr8fuldaniel]

If there were a raging inferno, hot enough to melt tons of structural steel,evenly simultaneously across even a single floor, that an entire floor would "pancake" evenly onto the next floor..... How in the hell does anyone survive that kind of FURNACE for 10 seconds????
Yet, living people are video taped at smokeless opening of WTC.
Check it out

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Nono Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel I am not saying there were no airliners. Just that there was a little extra help from explosives . Why?

If you were asking "Why did the towers have to fall, wouldnt the attack itself be an acceptable statement from the "terrorists" ?
Because the insurance on the towers would not cover inevitable demolition and rebuild due in appx 10 years

The towers were doomed If the towers stood after 911, the landlord would have hellacious expense of piece by piece dismantling. Evacuation expenses of WTC and the neighborhood would be prohibitive. Besides the fact, nobody believed towers that size could be "pulled" without mega collateral damage. Until they did it.

WTC 7 had to go to.
Why wasnt WTC7 included in 911 Commission Report?
Thats like overlooking OKC Bombing.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel If you were asking "Why did the towers have to fall, wouldnt the attack itself be an acceptable statement from the "terrorists" ? Because the insurance on the towers would not cover inevitable demolition and rebuild due in appx 10 years The towers were doomed If the towers stood after 911, the landlord would have hellacious expense of piece by piece dismantling. Evacuation expenses of WTC and the neighborhood would be prohibitive. Besides the fact, nobody believed towers that size could be "pulled" without mega collateral damage. Until they did it. WTC 7 had to go to. Why wasnt WTC7 included in 911 Commission Report? Thats like overlooking OKC Bombing.

In other words :
- the "landlord" has no money
- hijackers attack WTC (in co-operation with U.S. government ?)
- prior that attck, U.S. government sets up exlopsives to put WTC down
=== the results ===
- the "landlord" is safe
- hijackers are dead
- U.S. government fools all the people around the world, except for few who disclose the "truth"
Am I correct ?

(Where is money ?)

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Rainbow In other words : - the "landlord" has no money

Hah! Not that kind of money. We are talking about billions in expenses while the towers are vacant (no rent collected) for over a year to disassemble another couple of years to rebuild.

- hijackers attack WTC (in co-operation with U.S. government ?)

PNAC (pdf) signers in the Bush cabinet, knew they needed a "New Pearl Harbor" style attack to drum support for an Iraqi invasion. Check this 1998 letter to President Clinton from PNAC (Be sure to check the signers of the letter)
Invading Iraq not a new idea for Bush clique (from Philly Daily News)
Also check: Empire Builders: Neoconservatives and their blueprint for US power

- prior that attck, U.S. government sets up exlopsives to put WTC down

I cant prove WHO planted the explosives, but the Bush Admin had the most to gain.

=== the results === - the "landlord" is safe - hijackers are dead - U.S. government fools all the people around the world, except for few who disclose the "truth" Am I correct ?

They didnt "fool" as many as you think. Why couldnt we get sworn testimony from Bush and his cabinet? Dont forget OBL amnesty.

(Where is money ?)

Under the sand in Iraq.

[gr8fuldaniel]

[WTC 2] is struck obliquely, near a corner, so that the bulk of the fuel either explodes outside or is spewed, not into the tower’s interior, but out the other side in a wide arc into the street, where firefighters will report it pooling "ankle deep." So there was less igniter fuel, less fire, and less heat to contribute to the presumed meltdown. [teslapress]

Where is the Inferno? (Both pics and the quote are from this link)