WTC Structural Failure Hearings

[Texans 4 Furors]

Dan,
You aren't mistaken. Catherine Austin Fitts has been involved with victims families for over two years now. When they launched their site they got multiple family members of victims exposed to the press. Ellen Mariani is the most notable. They may not RUN the site but they are definitely involved to the point where they appear in joint press conferences. Mike Springman has collaborated as well. He admits the CIA forced the State Department to issue visas to these so-called terrorists. That's admitted.

[Texans 4 Furors]

Set up with their help would be more accurate, maybe.

[Rainbow]

Originally posted by Texans 4 Furors, Mike Springman has collaborated as well. He admits the CIA forced the State Department to issue visas to these so-called terrorists. That's admitted.

Do you know the reasons for that alleged CIA's action ?
Post it, please.

[Rainbow]

Originally posted by Texans 4 Furors, You aren't making any sense. Chew on this...BIG news... http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=...041112144051451

Off Topic
Stay on the topic, please.

On Topic
(I think that my original reply to your post was removed.)
I followed that link and read that article (a letter, as a matter of fact).

No data specification - on the steel delivered to build WTC) - submitted.
The author of that letter states that - according to him - the steel should withstand the temperature level that caused WTC buildings to collapse.

The difference is :
- that man claims (according to his documentation) on the steel quality
- the real conditions and quality for/on the steel delivered to build WTC
He provides no data on that aspect.

The steel itself is one of the factors, but not the only one.

[gr8fuldaniel]

How convenient for the cleanup crews to ship the scrap from WTC to China. No need for an investigation. Americans will believe any lie their ACK.....Christian...ACCCK president will tell them.

[bullshitdetector]

There's an investigation, you're investigating it aren't you? You have all the inside information!

[gr8fuldaniel]

I am not in China, how am I going to investigate the WTC structural steel? Its my hobbie to raise suspicion of corruption. How am I doing?

[bullshitdetector]

Well you have convinced me that you are a conspiracy theorist who can cogger up a tall tale out of anything. You're doing a great job showing me that, do I believe any of it? Not on your life, so, you get a D for effort.

The entire government, any news source, all of them can take a rest cause old Gr8ful is there to save the day.

[Rainbow]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, I am not in China, how am I going to investigate the WTC structural steel? Its my hobbie to raise suspicion of corruption. How am I doing?

You are doing much better than average, and well beyond :-)))

Assuming that U.S. is shipping the steel to China, then :
- what does it mean ?
Are you suggesting that U.S. government is trying to cover up the eventual and alleged exhibits on its part in 09/11/2001 events ?

[gr8fuldaniel]

BSd, what is the official story ? Why did they ship the WTC scrap all the way to China?

Oh yeah and provide a source

[bullshitdetector]

Ok, lets see, gr8ful. There was no official story of why they shipped the materials to china because there is no concern for it. I like the spin tactic, you raised a concern, you are siting there is a conspiracy, the onus is on you to back your conspiracy theory. Asking me to find a news source on what happened to the materials and why they went to whatever scrapyard is like asking to find a news source on what happened to the sludge that was scraped from Clintoons corroted arteries or where the clump of cancerous flesh removed from Reagans prostate was dumped after the operation and why. That is the whole point, they simply remove the remains and discard them, gr8ful, that is not a news story, that is not an indicator that someone is shafting the people of America. YOU say it is, YOU prove it.

[bullshitdetector]

Here's one, I'll find more....not that you'll bother to accept it.

There is no suggestion that the delivery of trade center scrap to Malaysia is anything more than irony.
http://www.thehollandsentinel.net/stories/...090902021.shtml


In fact not all of it went to one place, some of it stayed right here.

Why not back your assertion?

[gr8fuldaniel]

The WTC was a crime scene. Not sludge from someones arteries and not cancer. you can do better than that. How are we going to find out how fuel melted steel?
Here is an interesting perspective, its on topic and poses some intelligent questions:

Pastore Investigation A demolition company could not have done it better. Now that we know that all one has to do to bring a skyscraper straight down is set a fuel fire in it, the well trained experts who work for demolition companies should all be out of a job by now <clip> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Now this whole controversy between the "melted steel" scenario and the detonation scenario is one that could be very easily resolved. All we have to do is dig up the steel beams and examine each and everyone of them. If an explosive device caused the steel to fail, there will be tell-tale indications for the engineers to see. But if it was intense heat that caused the steel to "melt" or "buckle," there will be tell-tale signs of that as well. All we have to do to put an end to this controversy is to closely examine the steel. Right? Well, don't hold your breath. That's never going to happen. Thanks in large part to Time Magazine's "Person of the Year 2001", New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, the steel beams were quickly recycled before investigators even had the chance to look at them! A media darling and lifelong supporter of Israel, Saint Rudy Giuliani made sure that all of the "smoking gun" evidence was destroyed and right quick too. Much of the steel was recycled in America, but an additional seventy thousand tons of WTC steel was sold to Metals Management - a New York company with a Jewish (Zionist?) president named Alan Ratner. Ratner then turned around and shipped the unexamined steel to China and India for recycling! (6) China Radio International's English Edition also reported: "New York's Metals Management is among the firms taking steel from the huge project to clear Ground Zero. The company says it has bought 70,000 tons of scrap from the ruined twin towers. Some of the scrap has been shipped across the Pacific to Asian, including China and India. Among the consignments of scrap are the "very dense" steel girders from Ground Zero, which could finally yield 250,000 to 400,000 tons of scrap for recycling." (7) (emphasis added) Imagine that! The largest criminal investigation in history and the investigators weren't even permitted to see the most important evidence of all - the steel! During the whole time that Saint Rudy the Recycler and Ratner the Rat were destroying evidence, many of the most respected engineers in the country openly complained not only about the recycling, but also about the Federal government's suffocating control of their investigation. On December 25, 2001, the New York Times ran a story about the frustrations of some of the engineers who were called in to study the cause of the collapse: "Interviews with a handful of members of the team, which includes some of the nation's most respected engineers, also uncovered complaints that they had at various times been shackled with bureaucratic restrictions that prevented them from interviewing witnesses, examining the disaster site and requesting crucial information like recorded distress calls to the police and fire departments..." (8) They made their concerns known publicly. Bill Manning, editor of the 125 year old Fire Engineering magazine, noticed a strange difference between the WTC investigation and other major fire investigations in New York City's past. Manning wrote: Did they throw away the locked doors from the Triangle Shirtwaist fire? Did they throw away the gas can used at the happy land social club fire?...That's what they're doing at the World Trade Center. The destruction and removal of evidence must stop immediately." (9) (emphasis added) One investigator told the New York Times: This is almost the dream team of engineers in the country working on this, and our hands are tied," said one team member who asked not to be identified. Members have been threatened with dismissal for speaking to the press. "FEMA is controlling everything," the team member said." (10) (emphasis added)

[bullshitdetector]

Again, opinions and theory questioning what you want to have us believe. Where is the proof?

[gr8fuldaniel]

Proof of what?
OK, so you dont accept eye witnesses?

On December 25, 2001, the New York Times ran a story about the frustrations of some of the engineers who were called in to study the cause of the collapse: "Interviews with a handful of members of the team, which includes some of the nation's most respected engineers

Afraid I cant debate with you. You are just a pest.

[bullshitdetector]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, Proof of what? OK, so you dont accept eye witnesses? On December 25, 2001, the New York Times ran a story about the frustrations of some of the engineers who were called in to study the cause of the collapse: "Interviews with a handful of members of the team, which includes some of the nation's most respected engineers Afraid I cant debate with you. You are just a pest.

Alright where did that come from? You think I am a pest? Let me see, you want to debate physics, ok. You want to make claims that are unfouded, no, that is not debate, that is making unfounded claims based on opinions and theories hyped up by those who suspect everything is a conspiracy. Don't post something like that unless you know it is fact, fact that backs your assertions unless you just want to argue and chat about it which is fine. FACT it is not.

[Texans 4 Furors]

Not everything is a conspiracy. Just the conspiracies are conspiracies. 19 guys hijacking planes is a conspiracy. Without sufficient evidence to back the claim it is a conspiracy theory. Is this a "theory"?

[Rainbow]

In other words : the steel - originally supplied to biuld WTC buildings - after 09/11/2001 attacks was sent to China, in order not to allow American engineers to test it, and complete the U.S. government cover-up as the finalt result.
Am I correct ?

[Dieval]

Originally posted by Texans 4 Furors, Not everything is a conspiracy. Just the conspiracies are conspiracies. 19 guys hijacking planes is a conspiracy. Without sufficient evidence to back the claim it is a conspiracy theory. Is this a "theory"?

Anything coming from a site like "prisonplanet" should be suspect and not taken at face value...

[gr8fuldaniel]

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Anything coming from a site like "prisonplanet" should be suspect and not taken at face value...[/quote] Did you even bother to to click the link? It is an indirect link to BBC. Typical for you guys lately , who dont have any defense against facts, so you shoot the messenger. I need to get that on a digital rubber stamp. At least until you guys can come up with some believable excuses.

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