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This topic in Miscellaneous is about WTC Structural Failure Hearings.

View Poll Results: Should the WTC Structural Failure Hearings be open to the public?
Yes 35 81.40%
No 4 9.30%
Open to representative 911 families and/or their lawyers 1 2.33%
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Old Nov 15, 2004, 04:43 pm   #41 (permalink) (top)
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My response was IN response to your preposterous notion that keeping 9/11 hearing secret is a good thing. I was being sarcastic. BUT, many agencies have and are still actively involved covering up the events of 9/11 and OKC. Goodness operates in sunshine. Evil in the dark . Time to turn the floodlights on.
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Old Nov 15, 2004, 04:48 pm   #42 (permalink) (top)
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Have any hard proof other than freeper articles and conspiracy blog entries that can prove this allegation, gr8? Prove which part?
A)Whitewash making it look like a one-man terrorist operation
B)Or, that Fertilizer can can do the extensive damage to concrete and steel we all witnessed at OKC.

Im in a giving mood today, why dont you pick and have old TexasFuror give you a hand.
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Old Nov 15, 2004, 04:53 pm   #43 (permalink) (top)
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What?
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Old Nov 15, 2004, 04:58 pm   #44 (permalink) (top)
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Originally posted by Texans 4 Furors,
My response was IN response to your preposterous notion that keeping 9/11 hearing secret is a good thing. I was being sarcastic. BUT, many agencies have and are still actively involved covering up the events of 9/11 and OKC.  Goodness operates in sunshine. Evil in the dark . Time to turn the floodlights on.
And that is those federal agencies' business not to release any vital informations (on buildings and codes) to the public, for the safety raesons (at least).
Should federal agencies send a copy to (on new buildings codes) to Osama and/or alike ? as if 09/11 was not enough ?

Times have changes. Less and less data is going to available for public.
Along with personnel negligence, terrorists managed to penetrate U.S. security. Now, U.S. needs to create completely new "standards" , in order to protect its state along with all the citizens and dwellers.
The problem is, that some people see that as limitations to the Constitution, the Law, freedom, ect.

There is a choice :
- freedom, with eventually upcoming attacks
for
- less freedom, with eventually limited rights and privileges
If somebody has a "brilliant solution" to that issue, I would read it, gladly.
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Old Nov 15, 2004, 05:11 pm   #45 (permalink) (top)
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Should federal agencies send a copy to (on new buildings codes) to Osama and/or alike ?
No, as if it would matter. Building codes are and have to be public. One, so people can builed ACCORDING TO CODE and two, because it's ridiculous to think that building codes are some sort of volatile secret that has to be kept "from the terrorists".

And maybe if we could get an open hearing on the causes of the collapse of the WTC towers, we would soon realize that Osama bin Goldstein had very little, if anything, to do with 9/11.
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Old Nov 15, 2004, 05:21 pm   #46 (permalink) (top)
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We might find out that Clarabelle the clown was also Captain Kangaroo too. Wonders never do cease to happen, keep your fingers crossed and click your heels 3 times, Dorothy.


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Old Nov 15, 2004, 05:35 pm   #47 (permalink) (top)
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We might find out that Clarabelle the clown was also Captain Kangaroo too. Wonders never do cease to happen, keep your fingers crossed and click your heels 3 times, Dorothy.
Speaking or fairy tales, how was it exactly that Osama was able to make NORAD stand down and watch 4 planes (without any ground guidance) find targets visually and steer the planes at a speed where the pilots would have to know more than a mile in advance, the point of impact, pretty much TO THE INCH. Wow, we, I mean Osama, really trained those pilots well. Making the impossible possible. It's the Al- Qaeda way.....
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Old Nov 15, 2004, 06:05 pm   #48 (permalink) (top)
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Rather than a News Media that may have an agenda;
Will you accept testimony from a 1st responder who arrived at the scene(#5) immediatly (9:07 AM), and gathered a statement from an ATF agent who had already completed his investigation before 9:15 AM. Concluding it was because of Waco. A 50 lb. bomb was attatched to Gas line inside building. Thats heavy. How did Timothy McV get inside a locked utility room. I know that building well. I cleaned every window (inside and out) in that building several times over.


Trivia:
See that I-Beam with the loop, right in the middle: There is another one on the south side of the building with my blood on it from 20 years ago. I was throwing out a cable to un-kink it when my follow through threw my eyebrow right into that fucker. The blood was squirting 6 feet.
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Old Nov 15, 2004, 06:10 pm   #49 (permalink) (top)
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We might find out that Clarabelle the clown was also Captain Kangaroo too. Wonders never do cease to happen, keep your fingers crossed and click your heels 3 times, Dorothy.
Now that is funny!
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Old Nov 15, 2004, 06:10 pm   #50 (permalink) (top)
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WOW, that's the first time i've seen that picture and I've been studying OKC for years. Crazy. Nice post....
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Old Nov 15, 2004, 06:43 pm   #51 (permalink) (top)
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WOW, that's the first time i've seen that picture and I've been studying OKC for years. Crazy. Nice post....
I found it on a link you offerred (In photo gallery) : http://www.okcbombing.org/okcphoto_gallery.htm
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Old Nov 15, 2004, 06:48 pm   #52 (permalink) (top)
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I must have passed over it abaout a million times.
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Old Nov 15, 2004, 07:07 pm   #53 (permalink) (top)
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This is odd. I was Baptised in this church (appx 1978)
It seems like this was 1/2 mile away from Murrah building. Is that possible? Weird.


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A worker covers the roof of the First United Methodist Church at NW 4 and Robinson with plastic. The church was damaged during the bombing in downtown Oklahoma City.
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Old Nov 15, 2004, 07:14 pm   #54 (permalink) (top)
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I kinda veered off topic. Structural Failure Hearings. We already know that Murrah building was bombed, the only doubts seem to be by whom and where the bombs were placed and whether it was bullshit, er,........ fetilizer. Why not open hearings? Afraid something absurd (like the Truth) will leak out?

Edit to add: should we go back to WTC in New York?
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Old Nov 15, 2004, 07:49 pm   #55 (permalink) (top)
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I think all the hearings should take place, all the blue prints should be readily available and all the affidavits should be publicly and legally reviewed. I want to stop all this now, whatever it takes to get the real truth out and just leave it behind us.


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Old Nov 15, 2004, 11:44 pm   #56 (permalink) (top)
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Texans,

*SIGH*

I am not doing your work for you.

Read the article again and note the ridiculous conversation.

This is the same as the Riconosciuto/Gunderson 'pineapple bomb' that supposedly did the real damage to the Murrah building.

General Partin's report is the closest thing to the truth. The other claims (nuclear devices, barometric bombs, etc.) are there to muddy the water.
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Old Nov 16, 2004, 12:41 pm   #57 (permalink) (top)
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No, as if it would matter. Building codes are and have to be public. One, so people can builed ACCORDING TO CODE and two, because it's ridiculous to think that building codes are some sort of volatile secret that has to be kept "from the terrorists".

And maybe if we could get an open hearing on the causes of the collapse of the WTC towers, we would soon realize that Osama bin Goldstein had very little, if anything, to do with 9/11.
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I mean buildings with political, administartive, special designation status.
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Yep.
Osama is a pizza-maker, and during 09/11 he definitely was "cooking" somewhere else, and had nothing to with it.
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Old Nov 16, 2004, 12:49 pm   #58 (permalink) (top)
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Shouldn't you be in recess right about now?
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Old Nov 16, 2004, 12:50 pm   #59 (permalink) (top)
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Shouldn't you be in recess right about now?
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