Impeach Bush

[tusaki]

Originally posted by macnpat, .... The map is based on a valid representation no matter how it looks. The 'point' of the map is that Bush won, and the election was not close.

This is exactly my point. It -was- a close election. and the map does not represent that. If we take a look at the presidential elections from the last century, you'll see why.



Your map is distorted. But lets prove that.... remember that I quoted the rules on how to build representative maps? it said, amonst other things, ... can define a "lie factor" = (size of the effect shown on the graphic)/(size of the effect in the data"....

Now lets take a look at your map. According to paint shop pro, 45% of your map is red, while 11% is blue. normalize to 100% (45+11 = 56.. 45/56 = 0.803 11/56 = 0.196). So now we can determine the two factors.

size of the effect shown on the graphic = 80.3% - 19.6% = 60.7%
size of the effect in the data = bush percentage - kerry percentage = 51,35% - 48,31% = 3,03%

lie factor = 60.7% / 3.03% = 20.03. which basically means that the map skews the data in favour of bush 20 to 1 in comparison to the underlying data.

And for a more academic explanation of "election maps" please have a look here:
Maps and cartograms of the 2004 US presidential election results:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/
(by Michael Gastner, Cosma Shalizi, and Mark Newman of the University of Michigan)

Finally, I found this graphic to represent my point fairly well.

[bullshitdetector]

Originally posted by Technosoul,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Technosoul,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-bullshitdetector, Bush won, there are sore losers, just pat them on the head and go "uh huh, thats nice" and ignore it.

Yep, and when he is impeached we can pat you on the head and say "uh huh, everything is better now". :)[/b][/quote]


Sure, why not? Except it won't happen, however wishful thinking does have its attributes.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by bullshitdetector,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bullshitdetector,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-gr8fuldaniel, We should all listen closely to the only ones hit on 911: Election Results: Washington DC  90% Kerry Manhatten            82% Kerry

The only ones hit, how do you figure that? Are you suggesting all the victims came from NY, Jersey and DC? If so, guess again slick.[/b][/quote]
Last time I checked both WTC towers were in Manhatten, and the Pentagon is in Washington DC. I was speaking of the registered voters in those cities. Do I have to explain everything?

[bullshitdetector]

Yes, you do. I guess you think the registered voters are the only ones who matter, what about those whos family members died in that attack? They dont count? And why are you so defensive anyway? The only thing I see is that democratic party had great influence over the people in those geographical areas by engaging the fear factor. Of course they who were hit are scared shitless of being hit again.

[Technosoul]

Originally posted by Dieval, I know Gorgo is serious about this, but in reality it's just an absurd attempt to slander the president.

How can you post a "made in the USA" flag and likewise support Bush who is an advocate of outsourcing American jobs?

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by bullshitdetector, Yes, you do. I guess you think the registered voters are the only ones who matter,

No, all I said was "We should listen closely" to them. They dont just think Bush is unable to protect them, but that he may let it happen again

The only thing I see is that democratic party had great influence over the people in those geographical areas by engaging the fear factor. Of course they who were hit are scared shitless of being hit again.

I think you have things twisted around a bit. Wasnt it Cheney who threatened another attack if we voted for Kerry? Theres the fear factor.

[lspiderl]

QUOTE (Dieval,) I know Gorgo is serious about this, but in reality it's just an absurd attempt to slander the president. How can you post a "made in the USA" flag and likewise support Bush who is an advocate of outsourcing American jobs?

wow and john kerry doesnt support outsourcing at all
except his wife outsourced 30 out of 50 factorys to other countries takeing away hundreds of thousands of american jobs hmmmmmm
yeah i dont see how he can claim to be against outsourcing when he cant even get his own wife to stop doin it

[Dieval]

Originally posted by lspiderl, QUOTE (Dieval,) I know Gorgo is serious about this, but in reality it's just an absurd attempt to slander the president. How can you post a "made in the USA" flag and likewise support Bush who is an advocate of outsourcing American jobs? wow and john kerry doesnt support outsourcing at all except his wife outsourced 30 out of 50 factorys to other countries takeing away hundreds of thousands of american jobs hmmmmmm yeah i dont see how he can claim to be against outsourcing when he cant even get his own wife to stop doin it

I think you have miss quoted me above...I only said the first half of that, not the part about "made in the USA".....

[Dieval]

Originally posted by Technosoul,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Technosoul,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Dieval, I know Gorgo is serious about this, but in reality it's just an absurd attempt to slander the president.

How can you post a "made in the USA" flag and likewise support Bush who is an advocate of outsourcing American jobs?[/b][/quote]Look, I'm not sure if I really support outsourcing or not, since it could eventually effect my job, but I do understand it, atleast the way it's used in my buisness, and it does have it's up side. It is mainly used to save companies money, which they can turn around and use that money here to improve the business, expantion, raises, etc...

[lspiderl]

dieval that was a response to techno's post

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by lspiderl, QUOTE (Dieval,) I know Gorgo is serious about this, but in reality it's just an absurd attempt to slander the president. How can you post a "made in the USA" flag and likewise support Bush who is an advocate of outsourcing American jobs? wow and john kerry doesnt support outsourcing at all except his wife outsourced 30 out of 50 factorys to other countries takeing away hundreds of thousands of american jobs hmmmmmm yeah i dont see how he can claim to be against outsourcing when he cant even get his own wife to stop doin it

Do you have a source for that number? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm curious.

[bullshitdetector]

Gr8 are you saying that Kerry did not use fear tactics to get votes?

[Rainbow]

In order to impeach Bush, his written (or/and under the oath) testimony is needed. It would never happen.
Exception :
We possess a technology that is capable if reading "gamma waves". As of now, we have none in that kind.
Who is going to be impeached, then ?

[Gorgo]

Let's get Canada to do it for us!

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1116-27.htm

[OberonDOtherseid]

Yea, that way when the shit hits the fan Canada can get off their own asses and stop hiding behind the american apron.

Bush isn't any more worried about Canada then I am. Canada is a nice neighbor, they are even willing to take our sore loser defectors, that is a really nice gesture I think.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Originally posted by bullshitdetector, Gr8 are you saying that Kerry did not use fear tactics to get votes?

What, because Cheney did threaten America? I didnt say anything about Kerry. Dick Cheney leveled a blanket threat to America, That if they voted for Kerry, we would be attacked. Like he is in charge off the terrorist or something. Hmmmm, Now that I think about it.........That doesnt sound too far fetched.

[Dieval]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gr8fuldaniel,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-bullshitdetector, Gr8 are you saying that Kerry did not use fear tactics to get votes?

What, because Cheney did threaten America? I didnt say anything about Kerry. Dick Cheney leveled a blanket threat to America, That if they voted for Kerry, we would be attacked. Like he is in charge off the terrorist or something. Hmmmm, Now that I think about it.........That doesnt sound too far fetched.[/b][/quote]What he meant by that was Kerry's plan to keep America safe SUCKs and we'd be gaurenteed another attack if he is elected - not that Kerry was going to have his own terrorists launch another attack...please.. :rolleyes:

[gr8fuldaniel]

Like he is in charge off the terrorist ......

By "he" I meant Cheney.

[Dieval]

Originally posted by gr8fuldaniel, By "he" I meant Cheney.

That's even more far fetched than the way I read it the first time......

[Texans 4 Furors]

What he might have meant and what he said are two different things. Cheney threatened the country "to influence the country politically" in violation of sec.802 of his own Patriot Act. Impeachment proceedings are long overdue.