Kerry wins Presidency

[Samildanach]

Weird I know but I have woken up at four in the morning with a dream I can only describe as a premonition. Kerry will be president and he will win Florida by two thirds of the vote. We have always had a bit of 'witchiness' in our family and when you have premonitions you have to put them down just in case people think you were lying afterwards, its a bit of a test I guess. If it fails ...well I guess it was just a really realistic dream after all.

[Scribbler1]

I'll keep that in mind. :)

I've been having dreams about a woman at work, a damn sight better looking than Kerry too. Between you and I...I win!

[Samildanach]

You reckon a dream of a woman in your bed and bush for four more years beats no women and kerry in the white house.....right wheres the men with the white coats and the nice padded room... :)

[gr8fuldaniel]

I am sure clinton is going to work his way into this debate

[bishop]

heh.. school's been stressing the hell out of me lately.. been having lovely stress dreams - full of me murdering all sorts of people.

i've had dreams of bush winning - they were definitely nightmares. i don't recall ever dreaming of a kerry victory.

unless someone wins by a landslide, this election's going to be a disaster imo... the simple fact that people are already filing lawsuits is evidence enough.

[rcne]

Originally posted by bishop unless someone wins by a landslide, this election's going to be a disaster imo... the simple fact that people are already filing lawsuits is evidence enough.

Both side are staffing up with lawyers - hang on boys - its gonna be a bumpy ride.

Honestly I don't see a clear winner emerging again. And with lawyers involved - time is irrelevant. But it must be resolved before the official end of the term.

Right now they can't even qualify what they are looking for - vague is the word.

[Suburbanite]

Originally posted by Samildanach, You reckon a dream of a woman in your bed and bush for four more years beats no women and kerry in the white house.....right wheres the men with the white coats and the nice padded room... :)

Are you kidding?!?!?! Politics are more important than sex?!??!!?!?

[Samildanach]

No, but people being killed in a senseless war is.

[Suburbanite]

really?!?!

[lspiderl]

wow i find it absoloutly amazing how many people have been brainwashed by the liberal media
i cant begin fathom the depths of misinformation be talked about here
such as a pointless war WOW that take all of 3 seconds to say and no thought about why were realy there and how much good were doing
do u realize for the first time in history free elections have now been held in both iraq and afganistan
or how about the numerous mass graves that have been uncoverd in iraq were n e where from several hundred to several thousand bodies of iraqi citizens were brutaly murdered holocaust style by the (to quote john kerry wrong enemy) former dictatorial leader of iraq mr sadam hussien himself i strongly suggest peopel do a little resarch and stop watching the liberal media and b.s. propaganda flims like farinhight 911 and start to think for themselves

[bishop]

whoop-dee-doo...

we aren't any safer, and that's what matters. we were safer when we had iraq contained.

all the talk about how much of a bad man saddam was and how many people he killed - how about how many AMERICANS have died???

america comes first, iraq a faaaar second/third/fourth....

[lspiderl]

wow see wwhat i mean not stopping to think
sadam directly supported the terrorists he personal paid the fammilies of the poilots that flew OUR planes full of OUR people into OUR buildings 250 grand thats 250,000.00 dollars each for there quote" noble" sacrifice in attacking the evil americans
also he was sending weapons and suplies to the taliban and other terrorist orginazations here in american we call that ading and abeting
not to mention that since weve taken the war to them theve been to disorganized and busy running from us to even think about trying to attack us again weve taken down there biggest backer
and all things considered i feel a hell of a lot safer now than i would sitting at home tring to anticipate the next attack
all it would take is to be wrong one ONE time and boom another 9/11 maybie this time with a nuke or a chemical weapon
sadam had plently of the latter we found severaal since being in iraq
but the liberal media doesnt want u to know about that
and as for americans dying far more died in in wwII and no one complained because hitler had to be stoped yet sadam has gotten away with the same activites for YEARS because the french and german leaders as well as the president of the un have been in his pay for YEARS so why not like i said do a little research do a little thinking and STOP BEING SHEEP
THINK FOR YOURSELF

[bishop]

riiiiight...

do you have a source/proof for anything you've said? cuz, we haven't found ANY connection with saddam and 9/11, evidence of aiding the taliban or terrorists here in america, wmd, etc....

please, open my eyes, give me some PROOF. :)

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by lspiderl, wow i find it absoloutly amazing how many people have been brainwashed by the liberal media i cant begin fathom the depths of misinformation be talked about here such as a pointless war WOW that take all of 3 seconds to say and no thought about why were realy there and how much good were doing do u realize for the first time in history free elections have now been held in both iraq and afganistan or how about the numerous mass graves that have been uncoverd in iraq were n e where from several hundred to several thousand bodies of iraqi citizens were brutaly murdered holocaust style by the (to quote john kerry wrong enemy) former dictatorial leader of iraq mr sadam hussien himself i strongly suggest peopel do a little resarch and stop watching the liberal media and b.s. propaganda flims like farinhight 911 and start to think for themselves

As soon as you said "liberal media" I already knew what the rest of your post would be. Don't take any offense, but it's just that we've heard that song a thousand times before on this forum. I see you're new, so let me get you up to speed on this. Especially with the war in Iraq and President Bush's policies, the back and forth between those who support Bush and those who oppose him has been very well analysed and documented. You may disagree with some of the posters but be aware that most of the people on either side of the issue are no fools and they won't justtake your word that something is true. So now I'll mention that Volconvo Etiquette states you supply some sort of corroboration when you post something as fact. Quotes or (even better) web links will be fine.

Also REGARDLESS of the rules, neither side of the debate will let you get away with unverified "facts". Just a heads up and welcome to Volconvo.

[Vee]

just a sidenote irrelevant to most things: I love it when u call ur media liberal when its conservative

[Suburbanite]

sigh

Originally posted by Scribbler1,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Scribbler1,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-lspiderl, wow i find it absoloutly amazing how many people have been brainwashed by the liberal media i cant begin fathom the depths of misinformation be talked about here such as a pointless war WOW that take all of 3 seconds to say and no thought about why were realy there and how much good were doing do u realize for the first time in history free elections have now been held in both iraq and afganistan or how about the numerous mass graves that have been uncoverd in iraq were n e where from several hundred to several thousand bodies of iraqi citizens were brutaly murdered holocaust style by the (to quote john kerry wrong enemy) former dictatorial leader of iraq mr sadam hussien himself i strongly suggest peopel do a little resarch and stop watching the liberal media and b.s. propaganda flims like farinhight 911 and start to think for themselves

As soon as you said "liberal media" I already knew what the rest of your post would be. Don't take any offense, but it's just that we've heard that song a thousand times before on this forum. I see you're new, so let me get you up to speed on this. Especially with the war in Iraq and President Bush's policies, the back and forth between those who support Bush and those who oppose him has been very well analysed and documented. You may disagree with some of the posters but be aware that most of the people on either side of the issue are no fools and they won't justtake your word that something is true. So now I'll mention that Volconvo Etiquette states you supply some sort of corroboration when you post something as fact. Quotes or (even better) web links will be fine.

Also REGARDLESS of the rules, neither side of the debate will let you get away with unverified "facts". Just a heads up and welcome to Volconvo.[/b][/quote]

Scribbler...you have to be just a tad bit honest in admitting with me that the majority of the media does have a liberal slant to it....look at Rather's recent faux paus..went thru extraordinary lengths to make sure this made the Bush Administration look bad and then whew..the spin cycles went into overdrive when he was proved using falsifying material, but every media picked up on that stuff like wildfire..and ran it as gospel. With say Fox News...the admittedly have a right wing bias..but they freely admit it....but I don't believe it colors their judgement the same way groups like CNN, CBS, NBC, or ABC do.

[Starboy]

The media is a very confusing thing. When the reporters are allowed to speak freely many do appear to favor what are called "liberal" causes. However lately it looks to me that it doesn't matter because the bosses that own the networks are conservative and have been squelching those “liberal” reporters. Even so, what I find so interesting is just how indoctrinated everyone has become. People don't even want to listen to what others have to say simply because one or the other has been labeled "liberal" or "conservative". There is no such thing as liberal or conservative ideas, only ideas which are better or worse than other ideas. If we would raise the discussion from labels to ideas I think it would be a whole lot better for the country. Instead of being stuck with the choices of "liberal" or "conservative" we could vote for people that had better ideas.

Starboy

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by ACause, Scribbler...you have to be just a tad bit honest in admitting with me that the majority of the media does have a liberal slant to it....look at Rather's recent faux paus..went thru extraordinary lengths to make sure this made the Bush Administration look bad and then whew..the spin cycles went into overdrive when he was proved using falsifying material, but every media picked up on that stuff like wildfire..and ran it as gospel.  With say Fox News...the admittedly have a right wing bias..but they freely admit it....but I don't believe it colors their judgement the same way groups like CNN, CBS, NBC, or ABC do.

Absolutely. I've said before that many news outlets do have a slant to their presentation of the news. But not so much you can't get much of the story if you pay attention and use your "BS" filter. Also, I rely on the BBC and other news outlets not tied to this country or its government to fill out the rest.

For an overly simplistic example, the news reports "George Bush said so-snd-so and did such-and-such. Some people are saying that this is a very Bad/Good thing (depending on the slant)". I'm more interested in what he actually said or did, which is reported as factual, and then I run with that and tune out all the bullshit that follows. The facts are ALL out there and so is the editorializing, and it is US who have the job of telling the difference. We as a society need to LOOK for the facts instead of being TOLD them. As you said, the tellers usually and understandably have their own biases. I like to grow my own biases. :)

This is why I bristle when I hear the same old "liberal media" shit. Somebody TOLD this guy the media is liberally biased and therefore, in the traditional act of throwing out the baby with the bathwater, he is not to believe ANYTHING counter to his own beliefs regardless of if they are facts or not.
But I do agree there is bias all over the place. I mentioned to someone else that's the reason I didn't watch Michael Moore's movie and I don't read books on these subjects. I prefer to get the raw facts. Moores movie is no doubt filled with a lot of truth, but since you already KNOW where he stands you can't take all of that movie to the bank. The same goes for books, as the contents are usually (even subtly) influenced by the author.
A good writer can write a book using no more than a bunch of newspaper clippings and a couple of interviews. As writing IS a business, the author will try and tailor his book to its intended audience. "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot" is NOT intended to be sought out by Republicans, for instance. That's the flaw. The intended audience usually doesn't research what's in the book and then goes around believing it is completely factual where it may be as slanted as ANY liberal or conservative news outfit.

[bishop]

if the media is so liberal, why aren't they constantly talking about the fact that no wmd were in iraq?