Conservative Reasons We Went To Iraq

[Bob]

Some Of The Reasons We Invaded Iraq, And Results We Can Expect…
1. It was in support of our vital national interests, and the defense of the United States.
2. It was in support of the UN, and done with UN authorization.
3. It was in support of Israel that has lived under the threat of genocide for 50 years.
4. It was in support of our Moslem allies who have been terrorized for 50-500 years.
5. It was in support of Europe which is being held hostage by the Moslem terrorists.
6. It was in support of American business which has been systematically discriminated against.
7. It was in support of the Iraqi people who have been butchered and genocided for 40 years.
8. It was in support of moderate Moslems everywhere who would like to worship in freedom.
9. It was in support of our war against Moslem terrorists who used Iraq as a haven.
10. It was in support of containing Iraq which was on the verge of escaping UN sanctions.
11. It was in support of our own economy that depends substantially on our military success.
12. It was in support of disarming N. Korea. It provides an object lesson.
13. It was in support of disarming Iran, and others who harbor terrorists.
14. It was in support of Russia who is struggling against the same terrorists.
15. It was in support of our military who were partly in before the invasion.
16. It was in support of every neighbor of Iraq. All of them rejoice at Sadaam being destroyed.
17. It was in support of human rights everywhere. Sadaam was the top enemy of human rights.
18. It was in support of non-proliferation generally.
19. It was in revenge for 911. Sadaam didn’t do it, but he helped variously those who did.

There are other reasons as well, but because Democrats are blinded with partisan hate, and motivated by partisan ambition, they care little about any reasons as long as they can attack those of the other party and George Bush, the leader of the other party. Their partisan hate is all consuming. We are on the brink of civil war in this country due to the hate filled ambitions of Democrats.

The result of all this is George Bush will prevail in this election and this war, and America, and the world, will be better off for it. What will all these Democrat carpers, backbiters, and Monday morning quarterbacks going to say, when Iraq emerges as a democratic Republic, a friend of America, and a beacon of hope for the Arab and Moslem world, as well as a standing rebuke for envious France?

What are these Democrat detractors going to say when we Americans win this war? What are they going to say when the terrorists are stamped out in Iraq? Will they apologize for all their hate, lies and falsehoods? No they will not. You can be sure of that. They will move on to another election with another set of lies and another set of phony issues. It is not any particular issue with them, it is only completely partisan hate that motivates these Democrats.

It wouldn’t matter if Bush walked on water, they would just hate him the more for his goodness and success.

[Ross]

What will all these Democrat carpers, backbiters, and Monday morning quarterbacks going to say, when Iraq emerges as a democratic Republic, a friend of America, and a beacon of hope for the Arab and Moslem world, as well as a standing rebuke for envious France?

I don't know what news programs you've been watching, but it looks like the Shiite majority is jiving with the idea of a fundamentalist islamic republic, like Iran.

[Evil Baby]

Originally posted by Bob, Some Of The Reasons We Invaded Iraq, And Results We Can Expect… 1. It was in support of our vital national interests, and the defense of the United States. 2. It was in support of the UN, and done with UN authorization. 3. It was in support of Israel that has lived under the threat of genocide for 50 years. 4. It was in support of our Moslem allies who have been terrorized for 50-500 years. 5. It was in support of Europe which is being held hostage by the Moslem terrorists. 6. It was in support of American business which has been systematically discriminated against. 7. It was in support of the Iraqi people who have been butchered and genocided for 40 years. 8. It was in support of moderate Moslems everywhere who would like to worship in freedom. 9. It was in support of our war against Moslem terrorists who used Iraq as a haven. 10. It was in support of containing Iraq which was on the verge of escaping UN sanctions. 11. It was in support of our own economy that depends substantially on our military success. 12. It was in support of disarming N. Korea. It provides an object lesson. 13. It was in support of disarming Iran, and others who harbor terrorists. 14. It was in support of Russia who is struggling against the same terrorists. 15. It was in support of our military who were partly in before the invasion. 16. It was in support of every neighbor of Iraq. All of them rejoice at Sadaam being destroyed. 17. It was in support of human rights everywhere. Sadaam was the top enemy of human rights. 18. It was in support of non-proliferation generally. 19. It was in revenge for 911. Sadaam didn’t do it, but he helped variously those who did. There are other reasons as well, but because Democrats are blinded with partisan hate, and motivated by partisan ambition, they care little about any reasons as long as they can attack those of the other party and George Bush, the leader of the other party. Their partisan hate is all consuming. We are on the brink of civil war in this country due to the hate filled ambitions of Democrats. The result of all this is George Bush will prevail in this election and this war, and America, and the world, will be better off for it. What will all these Democrat carpers, backbiters, and Monday morning quarterbacks going to say, when Iraq emerges as a democratic Republic, a friend of America, and a beacon of hope for the Arab and Moslem world, as well as a standing rebuke for envious France? What are these Democrat detractors going to say when we Americans win this war? What are they going to say when the terrorists are stamped out in Iraq? Will they apologize for all their hate, lies and falsehoods? No they will not. You can be sure of that. They will move on to another election with another set of lies and another set of phony issues. It is not any particular issue with them, it is only completely partisan hate that motivates these Democrats. It wouldn’t matter if Bush walked on water, they would just hate him the more for his goodness and success.

Can we not have a freaken debate without some jackass saying all Dems do is "bla bla bla" or all Repubs do is "bla bla bla"

For God sakes just put up a God damn issue and leave your pissy hatred for the other side out it.

[Evil Baby]

Now that I'm done venting.

There may have been plenty reasons to enter Iraq, but the simple fact is Bush didn't use those reasons becuase if he had he knew he would have to enter many many other countries. He has to be held responsible for his actions and his lack of vision pertaining to Iraq and its future.

[Suburbanite]

pure kitsch, the denial of shit.

[Pooeypants]

Bob, let's see some sources, else this is just flamebaiting.

[Osborn F Enready]

Every man should be judged on his own merits, which is why George W. Bush should be facing a firing squad for the accumulated crimes against his oath, his country and all citizens of this nation.


England couldn't take away our rights,

The Huns couldn't take away our rights,

Hitler couldn't take away our rights,

The Red Threat, and the Soviet Union couldn't take away our rights,

G.W.'s fear and Rumsfeld's passion did it in one weekend.



Who is the biggest enemy?

[rhod01]

Bush told the Palestianian Prime Minister God told him to invade Iraq.

Ofcourse, he's not a fair person, because he didn't say it in his propoganda statements, justifying the invasion.

[Ross]

Bush told the Palestianian Prime Minister God told him to invade Iraq.

Now he calls Cheney the one and only God?

[G. Adams]

Originally posted by Bob, Some Of The Reasons We Invaded Iraq, And Results We Can Expect… 1. It was in support of our vital national interests, and the defense of the United States. 2. It was in support of the UN, and done with UN authorization. 3. It was in support of Israel that has lived under the threat of genocide for 50 years. 4. It was in support of our Moslem allies who have been terrorized for 50-500 years. 5. It was in support of Europe which is being held hostage by the Moslem terrorists. 6. It was in support of American business which has been systematically discriminated against. 7. It was in support of the Iraqi people who have been butchered and genocided for 40 years. 8. It was in support of moderate Moslems everywhere who would like to worship in freedom. 9. It was in support of our war against Moslem terrorists who used Iraq as a haven. 10. It was in support of containing Iraq which was on the verge of escaping UN sanctions. 11. It was in support of our own economy that depends substantially on our military success. 12. It was in support of disarming N. Korea. It provides an object lesson. 13. It was in support of disarming Iran, and others who harbor terrorists. 14. It was in support of Russia who is struggling against the same terrorists. 15. It was in support of our military who were partly in before the invasion. 16. It was in support of every neighbor of Iraq. All of them rejoice at Sadaam being destroyed. 17. It was in support of human rights everywhere. Sadaam was the top enemy of human rights. 18. It was in support of non-proliferation generally. 19. It was in revenge for 911. Sadaam didn’t do it, but he helped variously those who did. There are other reasons as well, but because Democrats are blinded with partisan hate, and motivated by partisan ambition, they care little about any reasons as long as they can attack those of the other party and George Bush, the leader of the other party. Their partisan hate is all consuming. We are on the brink of civil war in this country due to the hate filled ambitions of Democrats. The result of all this is George Bush will prevail in this election and this war, and America, and the world, will be better off for it. What will all these Democrat carpers, backbiters, and Monday morning quarterbacks going to say, when Iraq emerges as a democratic Republic, a friend of America, and a beacon of hope for the Arab and Moslem world, as well as a standing rebuke for envious France? What are these Democrat detractors going to say when we Americans win this war? What are they going to say when the terrorists are stamped out in Iraq? Will they apologize for all their hate, lies and falsehoods? No they will not. You can be sure of that. They will move on to another election with another set of lies and another set of phony issues. It is not any particular issue with them, it is only completely partisan hate that motivates these Democrats. It wouldn’t matter if Bush walked on water, they would just hate him the more for his goodness and success.

Okay, one by one.

1. "National Interests" are never the interests of the nation but of the govt. So in that sense your correct. As for national security, the destabilising of a poverty stricked country that has only resisted tearing itself to pieces because of various iron-fisted regimes, does not help US security. It allows a fresh breeding ground for terrorism, and the methods this war was conducted in is a call to arms for the dissaffected of the world who already feel the US abuses its international position.

2. This was not done with the support of the UN. If it was, Bush or Blair would have had brought a second resolution before the security council for scrutiny. As doing so would lead to the express dissaproval of the UN, and thereby make the war illegal under current international law and convention, neither the US or the UK did so.

3. I agree that your israeli point is likely a factor, though not the prime motivation. However, please remember that Israel has been committing virtual ethnic cleansing over that 50 year period by driving Palestinians out of their homes and killing those who object.

4. In support of your Muslim allies? Firstly, you have been threatening Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia (now that the position of the Saudi family is at risk in Arabia it would support the US, and Bush family, to do the regime change themself rather than someone who may be unfriendly to your causes) with invasion for years, and as these are Iraq's neighbouring allies I doubt this is any sort of cause. Secondly, Iraq has only existed as an entity seperate to it's neighbours since 1921, when Iraqi plebiscites voted the british favourite Faisal al-Husein to be king. Iraq was also not a threat to it's neighbours until two things combined. Firstly, Saddam Hussein took the Presidency of Iraq, and secondly, the US and UK began propping up his brutal regime with money, expertise and weapons in exchange for oil contracts. Without our support, Iraq could not have become the danger to it's neighbours it was by 1990. Remember though that after 10 years of fighting Iran, a country that lacked all the heavy weaponry that we sold to Iraq, it still lost, so how much of a threat could it have been. Additionally, by 2003 Iraq's army had become massively undisciplined and lacked morale, not to mention a maintained armed mobile force or air force, so it was massively weakened. I'd have put money on any of Iraq's larger neighbours to be able withstand an attack from Iraq, if not defeat it outright.

5. I'm British and do extensive travelling throughout W. Europe. Trust me, we don't feel the need to be protected by you. we feel that your current actions put us at far greater risk by creating more terrorists. We wern't under attack before this war started, we are now. And I'm sure the war has driven terrorists to be even more secretive and suspicious, make infiltration by our intelligence services even more difficult. And people who were involved in those groups who perhaps doubted the reasons they got involved, and would perhaps have become contacts for the intelligence service, certainly won't anymore.

6. Please elaborate how American business has been systematically discriminated against. Are you talking about within Iraq? Surely you can understand the Iraqi governments hesitancy to allow America contracts as you a) invaded them, b) you supported sanctions against them even though others, like france, were making suggestions of dropping them, which may give you an idea of why they were getting special treatment etc

7. Because it's so much greater to be butchered and oppressed by foreign powers than by a domestic one. At least Saddam's regime kept a count on how many they killed, you don't even care.

8. Invading Iraq drives moderate muslims in the middle east towards extremism, and leads towards fewer freedoms, not more.

9. There is no evidence that Iraq was supporting al-Quida. Iraq was not a haven for terrorists, but it is now. Thanks America.

10. So you saved Iraq by from sanctions by invading? What kind of logic is that? More than half a million Iraqi children have died as a result of sanctions over 10 years, and in a year and a half of US occupation theres been approx 20 000 Iraqi's killed. Huh, I guess statistically theres less deaths under US occupation than under sanctions, but it isn't exactly fun and games. And besides, it's only just started. There wern't all that many deaths under the Vietnamese resistance to French imperialism, but as the years rolled by it got worse. Give it some times and I'm sure you can beat your own records.

11. Ah, now your making sense. the US is heavily dependant on it's military industrial complex, and Bush's friends (and Dad, who is involved in the Carlyle Group) needed new contracts for the arms companies. But under that logic, America has license to invade somewhere on the basis that it needs to boost it's economy. Thats clearly immoral, and the rest of the world would be justified in condemning you, and doing something to stop you from doing it again. If you need to make war to make money, we'll put sanctions on you to stop you, which is worse than you not making war.

12. Ah, well 20 000 Iraqi dead people was a worth while lesson, huh? The DPNK is not about invade anywhere, and they don't have the technology to strike at America from the Korean peninsula. And if they do already have a nuclear weapon, there is noway you would invade anyway, even if they attacked South Korea. Your not stupid enough to nuke NK, but they are stupid enough to nuke SK.

13. Iran does not harbour terrorists. Iran was in the process of reforming. Bush's "tough talk" has scared the government away from greater democratic reforms. Bravo.

14. Russia is not fighting the same terrorists. Russia is fighting Chechen nationalists, who fucking well have the right to get rid of the Russians. If Russia wasn't so scared of losing a piece of the old empire it would have been sensible and given up Chechnya when the iron curtain fell.

15. And sending more troops into Iraq helps? Sending soldiers into this quagmire, to risk their lives over such a pitiful cause? It is a disgrace to sacrifice the lives of soldiers to such bullshit.

16. Rejoice? Now Syria has to fight guerillas on it's borders and Saudi Arabia has even more anti-secular terrorists crossing it's borders,with people at home attacking it for it's puppet status of the US. The only country neighbouring Iraq that might be happy is Iran, who now has the prospect of a fellow theocratic Shiite regime in the middle east.

17. Saddam was an enemy of human rights, but the worst? Personally I'd be looking at Uzbekistan, where Islam Karimov is "president". There his regime boils opponents alive and sends the bones back to the family. And how are we dealing with this regime? We're giving them even more money and weapons! The person who revealed the atrocities being committed in Uzbekistan is British envoy Craig Murray, who has been withdrawn from Uzbekistan because he revealed these horrendous crimes. Or alternatively, we could look at which country most consistenly ignores a countries sovereignty, sends in terrorists of its own who overthrow democratically elected governments and replaces them with military dictatorships, the United States of America! Why do you think the UN threw you off the it's board of human rights?

18. Yup, because attacking a country that had no WMD's really helps none proliferation. And if they did, now terrorists have them. You deserve a pat on the back for that well thought out move.

19. There is no proof that Iraq had anything to do whatsoever with the 9/11 attacks. That you believe that bullshit demonstrates the extent to which the propaganda machine has sucked you in.

So, all in all, you have provided no reason for invading Iraq but for propping up your economy. Why, I wonder, didn't Bush just come out and say "want more jobs? Bomb Iraq!"

[Sean]

hey Bob, I've warned you about posting crappy posts like this. Please post to get some real debate going.

[gr8fuldaniel]

I think Bob is gone:
Bobs last post

[m5lange1]

QUOTING BOB

It wouldn’t matter if Bush walked on water, they would just hate him the more for his goodness and success.

QUOTING BOB

Democrats are blinded with partisan hate, and motivated by partisan ambition

STILL QUOTING BOB (Yea he really is the same guy now talking about THEIR partisan and all consuming hate.)

Their partisan hate is all consuming

all these Democrat carpers, backbiters

Nope no partisan hate coming fron BOB. He is the calm cool collected thinker. One of those 'fair and balanced' thinkers I guess.
You can tell just by how hea avoids hyppocracy and name calling.

MORE QUOTING BOB.

They will move on to another election with another set of lies and another set of phony issues. It is not any particular issue with them, it is only completely  partisan hate that motivates these Democrats.

SHHHH... Don't tell BOB that the president hating starte under Clinton when GOP started standing for Get Our President.

Here Bob... Right Back Atcha.......


It wouldn’t have mattered if Clinton walked on water, they would just have hated him the more for his goodness and success.


..... hmmmm as a matter of fact they did. Balanced the budget... reformed welfare... hmmmm I guess they really did hate him more for his success.