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Capitalist Pig · Oct 1, 2008, 08:07 am

If you want to stop "illegal" immigration, then legalize immigration.

Marilyn Monroe · Oct 1, 2008, 10:32 am

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Quote by: ironeagle

OK Canadians happen to be a large group of illegal immigrants in the US and I am as mad at them being here as I am that the hispanic illegal immigrants are here. I have said before it sickens me that illegals don't have to have a social security number, or they can just steal someone else's, and they don't have to have Id or they can steal one from someone else. Either way they get free healthcare, free food, free rent, cash grants and almost all tax free. yet a true citizen has to battle the system to get help when they are working hard for their family and can't get all the bills paid, and true citizens are expected to provide two forms of Id a valid social security number for all members of the family and are often denied assistance or given reduced assistance when they need it most, all the while they ahppen to be working and paying taxes, but the illegals just sit on their stoop all day and smoke pot or pop out more children we will have to pay for, or they go to work at some meat packing plant using a fake green card, fake Id and fake social security number.

I'm against all the illegals, but it seems to work both ways.

Looks like some of the illegals are getting raw deals as well.

ttp://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/27/us/27immig.html

This one says they are taking jobs, but it's the employers who seem more culpable for the injustices. They certainly are taking advantage of the workers.

http://www.houstonpress.com/2007-04-...al-immigrants/

arleedstanto · Oct 4, 2008, 11:41 am

like the adv. for hunting endangered species, "when the paying stops, immigrations (illegal) can stop too"

ironeagle · Oct 7, 2008, 09:38 pm

I feel no sorrow for a group of people who allow themselves to be mistreated because they know they are breaking the law and are not suppose to be here, not suppose to be stealing American's jobs etc. I don't feel sorry that they choose to accept $2.00 and hour and live 20 adults per apartment, and i don't feel sorry that their government doesn't tkae care of them. I feel sorry for the Americans who have lost their lives to their murders, rapes, burglaries, and other unthinkable crimes, I feel sorry for the victims of identity theft and fraud perpetrated by them , I feel sorry for their children who have to grow up with criminal parents, who continue to commit crime, and sorry for the tax payers who have to fund these illegal immigrants welfare checks.

Napkin23 · Oct 9, 2008, 07:13 pm

You know it's funny because politicians have the right idea about illegal immigration, say they are going to do something thten nto do it. It is actualy ingenious because you cannot get rid of illegal immigration it runs the economy when you have people picking fruit for lets say 1$ a bag or something I am not exactly sure, anyways when they pick the fruit really cheap the people selling the fruit can buy it from the orchard or wherever for much cheaper and then they can then seel it for much cheaper, but you know lets have us prideful americans pick the fruit, "o 10$ an hour thats pretty hard climbing up that tree all day cutting fruits 1 by 1 yea go F**k yourself orchard guy oooo now you say 20$ an hour well ok sure, o wow fruits so expensive now yup yup" (O and for the record picking fruit is actualy dangerous, read the book coyotes or sometihng) the point is immigration has always ran the economy look back in our history to almost any time and you'll see I'm right.

ironeagle · Oct 10, 2008, 12:45 am

Oh bull crap, they company may pay the mexican worker $1 an hour as oppossed to the American $10.00 an hour, but the price is still the same and the property owner rakes in huge profits, with little to no saving for the american people. I am so sick of hearing this bull crap excuse. The reason Americans don't work from sun up till sun down for cheap without breaks is because americans relaize it's employment abuse, and thta their families need them home, too and that employment should not be the only thing in a perosns life and that they are worth far more than $1.00 an hour. We take more pride in our selves, and I can't understand why we are handing out awards to people who bring down the rate of fair pay, or who promote employment abuse, and child labor violations. They work for cheap because they are illegla and because they are not supposed ot do it, if they were legal they would all get the same pay as americans and be protected by our laws. The companies are just one half of the criminal in those situations, the immigrant the other guilty half. Americans want jobs being stolen by immigrants, the employeers want cheap labor and high profits.

Napkin23 · Oct 20, 2008, 08:14 am

whoa the price is not the same if I sell an apple for 10$ then I get 9$ profit now if I pay an american to pick it for 10$ and sell it for 10$ weres the profit o wait there isnt any, and I do like your signature lol

ironeagle · Oct 20, 2008, 08:48 pm

That's the worst calculation I have ever seen, apples can be picked by the hundreds per hour, so you divide the total apples price by the amount of the production which includes workers pay rate and operation costs then you divide it then oyu have the price. You don't assume one worker picks one apple in an hour and it costs 15 dollars to sell an apple. Seriously that's why we have people who believe this crap about Americans causing price increases, and lies about them not wanting jobs. It's all lies so corps can have slave labor using the illegals, and using mexicans and chineese people who don't treat themselves like they are worth more than to be used for cheap labor to sell expensive items. Here's another example Sanyo makes a t.v. it's price is $2,000.00 they pay a worker in mexico $5.00 a day to make it, and probably pay the plant more than that for the production cost of the t.v so we'll just about $20 per t.v. for labor manufacturing operation, then oyu have to include how much do the parts cost, so I don't really know I;ll just say about $200.oo a t.v.. So a total of $220.00 is paid for one t.v it gets the sanyo label slapped on it, so you think it was actually made in Japan, but it wasn't they sell the t.v for $2000.00 they make:$1780 a t.v do you get it. the price isn't nay lower than it would be they simply manufacture at lower prices due to not paying employees and us Americans pay for not relaizing we are stealing our won jobs by not buying American made goods, made by americans and not illegals.

Derek Semeraro · Oct 20, 2008, 09:28 pm

Deporting illegal immigrants would cost too many tax dollars, making things bad for both sides.

Allowing them to stay illegally in this country will be an unfair burden to tax payers as well.

Legally treating them as American citizens is the only option.

ironeagle · Oct 21, 2008, 06:52 pm

Not if the US demand spayment from Mexico who is responsible for the illegals, and I don't see any proof it would cost more to deport them then it costs, to give them all welfair. No it isn't the only option another option is to shoot to kill upon violation of the border and illegal tresspass on our soil..

Oct 1, 2008, 08:07 am	#81 (permalink)
Capitalist Pig Market Anarchist Location: United States Posts: 652	If you want to stop "illegal" immigration, then legalize immigration. Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito.

Oct 7, 2008, 09:38 pm	#84 (permalink)
ironeagle Ncp Rights Activist Location: Iowa Posts: 1,515	I feel no sorrow for a group of people who allow themselves to be mistreated because they know they are breaking the law and are not suppose to be here, not suppose to be stealing American's jobs etc. I don't feel sorry that they choose to accept $2.00 and hour and live 20 adults per apartment, and i don't feel sorry that their government doesn't tkae care of them. I feel sorry for the Americans who have lost their lives to their murders, rapes, burglaries, and other unthinkable crimes, I feel sorry for the victims of identity theft and fraud perpetrated by them , I feel sorry for their children who have to grow up with criminal parents, who continue to commit crime, and sorry for the tax payers who have to fund these illegal immigrants welfare checks. Saving the empovershed by empoverishing their counterparts will empoverish the whole.

Oct 9, 2008, 07:13 pm	#85 (permalink)
Napkin23 Sedimentary Rock Posts: 13	You know it's funny because politicians have the right idea about illegal immigration, say they are going to do something thten nto do it. It is actualy ingenious because you cannot get rid of illegal immigration it runs the economy when you have people picking fruit for lets say 1$ a bag or something I am not exactly sure, anyways when they pick the fruit really cheap the people selling the fruit can buy it from the orchard or wherever for much cheaper and then they can then seel it for much cheaper, but you know lets have us prideful americans pick the fruit, "o 10$ an hour thats pretty hard climbing up that tree all day cutting fruits 1 by 1 yea go F*k yourself orchard guy oooo now you say 20$ an hour well ok sure, o wow fruits so expensive now yup yup" (O and for the record picking fruit is actualy dangerous, read the book coyotes or sometihng) the point is immigration has always ran the economy look back in our history to almost any time and you'll see I'm right. You take the good you take the bad and tere you have my opening statement Last edited by Matt W; Oct 10, 2008 at 08:46 am. Reason: Rule Violation: Obscene Language*

Oct 10, 2008, 12:45 am	#86 (permalink)
ironeagle Ncp Rights Activist Location: Iowa Posts: 1,515	Oh bull crap, they company may pay the mexican worker $1 an hour as oppossed to the American $10.00 an hour, but the price is still the same and the property owner rakes in huge profits, with little to no saving for the american people. I am so sick of hearing this bull crap excuse. The reason Americans don't work from sun up till sun down for cheap without breaks is because americans relaize it's employment abuse, and thta their families need them home, too and that employment should not be the only thing in a perosns life and that they are worth far more than $1.00 an hour. We take more pride in our selves, and I can't understand why we are handing out awards to people who bring down the rate of fair pay, or who promote employment abuse, and child labor violations. They work for cheap because they are illegla and because they are not supposed ot do it, if they were legal they would all get the same pay as americans and be protected by our laws. The companies are just one half of the criminal in those situations, the immigrant the other guilty half. Americans want jobs being stolen by immigrants, the employeers want cheap labor and high profits. Saving the empovershed by empoverishing their counterparts will empoverish the whole.

Oct 20, 2008, 08:14 am	#87 (permalink)
Napkin23 Sedimentary Rock Posts: 13	whoa the price is not the same if I sell an apple for 10$ then I get 9$ profit now if I pay an american to pick it for 10$ and sell it for 10$ weres the profit o wait there isnt any, and I do like your signature lol You take the good you take the bad and tere you have my opening statement

Oct 4, 2008, 11:41 am	#83 (permalink)
arleedstanto Molten Ash Location: Jakarta, Indonesia Posts: 47	like the adv. for hunting endangered species, "when the paying stops, immigrations (illegal) can stop too"

Oct 20, 2008, 08:48 pm	#88 (permalink)
ironeagle Ncp Rights Activist Location: Iowa Posts: 1,515	That's the worst calculation I have ever seen, apples can be picked by the hundreds per hour, so you divide the total apples price by the amount of the production which includes workers pay rate and operation costs then you divide it then oyu have the price. You don't assume one worker picks one apple in an hour and it costs 15 dollars to sell an apple. Seriously that's why we have people who believe this crap about Americans causing price increases, and lies about them not wanting jobs. It's all lies so corps can have slave labor using the illegals, and using mexicans and chineese people who don't treat themselves like they are worth more than to be used for cheap labor to sell expensive items. Here's another example Sanyo makes a t.v. it's price is $2,000.00 they pay a worker in mexico $5.00 a day to make it, and probably pay the plant more than that for the production cost of the t.v so we'll just about $20 per t.v. for labor manufacturing operation, then oyu have to include how much do the parts cost, so I don't really know I;ll just say about $200.oo a t.v.. So a total of $220.00 is paid for one t.v it gets the sanyo label slapped on it, so you think it was actually made in Japan, but it wasn't they sell the t.v for $2000.00 they make:$1780 a t.v do you get it. the price isn't nay lower than it would be they simply manufacture at lower prices due to not paying employees and us Americans pay for not relaizing we are stealing our won jobs by not buying American made goods, made by americans and not illegals. Saving the empovershed by empoverishing their counterparts will empoverish the whole.

Oct 20, 2008, 09:28 pm	#89 (permalink)
Derek Semeraro Molten Ash Location: United States Posts: 91	Deporting illegal immigrants would cost too many tax dollars, making things bad for both sides. Allowing them to stay illegally in this country will be an unfair burden to tax payers as well. Legally treating them as American citizens is the only option.

Oct 21, 2008, 06:52 pm	#90 (permalink)
ironeagle Ncp Rights Activist Location: Iowa Posts: 1,515	Not if the US demand spayment from Mexico who is responsible for the illegals, and I don't see any proof it would cost more to deport them then it costs, to give them all welfair. No it isn't the only option another option is to shoot to kill upon violation of the border and illegal tresspass on our soil.. Saving the empovershed by empoverishing their counterparts will empoverish the whole.