How To Stop Illegal Immigration

[domio760]

Wouldn't we save alot of money if we didn't pay for their medical, food, crimes. Wouldn't they be less enticed to come here illegally instead of take the steps to make it legal if we didn't have these programs set up to help these criminals.

On a side note:
Wouldn't be able secure our own borders if we used our military here, instead of around the world.

Why should I be punished (my hard earned $ being taxed) so my state and country can pay for criminals breaking the law. We actually have incentives for coming here illegally.

We have a minimum wage. If you want to come to America to make a new start, you start at the bottom and work your way up. Currently California state workers are being downsized (I currently can not referee my car for smog purposes because all ref stations have been shut down due the budget crisis) and wages decreased (We are currently suing our own political heads due to working out a fair budget).

[Kaylor]

I personally don't mind them here... there's MANY worse things the U.S. has to worry about. It seems almost like a racial thing, I'm sure not nearly as many people would mind if Canadians or something were getting over the border for jobs and a new life.

[domio760]

Quote by: Kaylor I personally don't mind them here... there's MANY worse things the U.S. has to worry about. It seems almost like a racial thing, I'm sure not nearly as many people would mind if Canadians or something were getting over the border for jobs and a new life.

A racial thing?! I live in San Diego and have many Hispanic friends. So don't try to dumb this topic down to race, please.

This is not about race. It's about our economic well-being for the most part. There are many other issues related to illegal immigration, but $ is the biggest.

Let me break it down for you.

Legal U.S. citizens pay taxes. They work hard, and give back to their country with each and every paycheck. Not only do illegal immigrants NOT pay these taxes, but enjoy benefits that MY (and your) tax $ pay for.

Also, our unemployment rate is rising. We would have more jobs if illegal immigrants weren't able to take these job oppurtunities, so now it's effecting my neighbors entire paycheck as well.

Another bad part of illegal immigration: incarceration of illegal immigrant criminals. Again, my tax $ hard at work.

[Kaylor]

It is definitely a bad thing that they do not pay taxes and take jobs. I think it is accepted by everyone that they should not be here.

But how could the country keep them out, other than strengthening the borders?

We could go to Mexico and make their lives better, help the ones who don't come illegally, but I don't see that happening any time soon with all the other problems going on with the U.S.

[domio760]

Quote by: Kaylor It is definitely a bad thing that they do not pay taxes and take jobs. I think it is accepted by everyone that they should not be here. But how could the country keep them out, other than strengthening the borders? We could go to Mexico and make their lives better, help the ones who don't come illegally, but I don't see that happening any time soon with all the other problems going on with the U.S.

Why 'other than' strengthening our borders? Sounds logical and practical to me.

It's not our responsibility to make Mexico's living conditions better. It's the people of Mexico who should do that.
And those who come here legally DO get help. The same help that you or me would get in the same situation (poor).

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Kaylor I personally don't mind them here... there's MANY worse things the U.S. has to worry about. It seems almost like a racial thing, I'm sure not nearly as many people would mind if Canadians or something were getting over the border for jobs and a new life.

If the numbers were the same they would. It's the numbers, not the color.

[Matt W]

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe If the numbers were the same they would. It's the numbers, not the color.

I would agree. Over here we hear the same complaints about Poles, Albanians, Romanians, etc...and I seem to recall that Americans in the 1800s (certainly on the East Coast) had the same complaints about the Irish.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Matt W I would agree. Over here we hear the same complaints about Poles, Albanians, Romanians, etc...and I seem to recall that Americans in the 1800s (certainly on the East Coast) had the same complaints about the Irish.

That's right! Nobody usually likes the newbies.

[Kaylor]

Well uh... you know... that makes sense.

It doesn't seem like Mexico has been succeeding in making their lives better. So because we're being hurt by it, what could the U.S. do to kick start the Mexican government?

[domio760]

Quote by: Kaylor Well uh... you know... that makes sense. It doesn't seem like Mexico has been succeeding in making their lives better. So because we're being hurt by it, what could the U.S. do to kick start the Mexican government?

The Mexican government is in over it's heads. They don't have much to speak of to export besides produce and oil. The balance of rich and poor is way out of balance with an almost non-existant middle class. Pollution, crime, over-population, bad education, corruption...you name it they got it. The people need to kick start their own government into turning things around. It's not our responsability. We have enough issues of our own.

[ironeagle]

You know I think that socialism is the reason why most countries have a non existent middle class.

[Matt W]

*blinks* What? What countries do you consider 'socialist'? France? Germany? The UK? Norway? Sweden? What? Enlighten me, because if you think they don't have a middle class, you are gravely mistaken.

[Hurt]

I have to say this.. but this smells like one of those "I don't really know what liberalism or socialism is but whatever's the issue, that's the problem!"

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: domio760 The Mexican government is in over it's heads. They don't have much to speak of to export besides produce and oil. The balance of rich and poor is way out of balance with an almost non-existant middle class. Pollution, crime, over-population, bad education, corruption...you name it they got it. The people need to kick start their own government into turning things around. It's not our responsability. We have enough issues of our own.

Thank you!

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Matt W *blinks* What? What countries do you consider 'socialist'? France? Germany? The UK? Norway? Sweden? What? Enlighten me, because if you think they don't have a middle class, you are gravely mistaken.

I know you're from the UK so excuse me please, but the European Middle Class lives a lot like the US's poor do. They have crummy apts., little or no tiny cars, very little spendable income after the neccesities. This is what I see on the telly. If I'm wrong let me know, or show me your MC. The US's MC lives pretty darn good. They all have multiple cars, homes, many have lots of recreational activities. They have a good life, believe me. They also have retirements set up. Sure, sure they show the one's who spend over their heads that are sinking fast on TV, but many are still doing really well.

[Matt W]

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe I know you're from the UK so excuse me please, but the European Middle Class lives a lot like the US's poor do. They have crummy apts., little or no tiny cars, very little spendable income after the neccesities. This is what I see on the telly. If I'm wrong let me know, or show me your MC. The US's MC lives pretty darn good. They all have multiple cars, homes, many have lots of recreational activities. They have a good life, believe me. They also have retirements set up. Sure, sure they show the one's who spend over their heads that are sinking fast on TV, but many are still doing really well.

Hah! Sorry, but you are definately mistaken. All the above - plus the bonus of a load of foreign travel, given the fairly open European borders. I suggest you look at your own statement for where you get your opinion of the European MC...

Sure, sure they show the one's who spend over their heads that are sinking fast on TV, but many are still doing really well

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Matt W Hah! Sorry, but you are definately mistaken. All the above - plus the bonus of a load of foreign travel, given the fairly open European borders. I suggest you look at your own statement for where you get your opinion of the European MC...

Europe is fascinating I'm sure, and beautiful. I'd especially like to see Italy, Great Britain, and Paris, France, but some areas are too cold for me.

I did find this on Europe vs US, it's a Swedish study.

http://9175665646.pdf+europe+vs+us&h...&client=safari

[Matt W]

It is v.interesting indeed. Your link doesn't work (at the moment, anyway) - but I'll be trying another PC later on.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Matt W It is v.interesting indeed. Your link doesn't work (at the moment, anyway) - but I'll be trying another PC later on.

Everything is interesting if you want it to be, and have enthusiasm for life.

The link didn't work, sorry.

You might have to copy and paste:

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Europe and the US. Too many politicians, policy-makers, and voters are continuing their ... 2. EUROPE VERSUS USA 7. 2.1 The USA is richer than Europe 9 ...
www.timbro.se/bokhandel/pdf/9175665646.pdf - Similar pages

[Matt W]

Ah, thanks, I'll take a look at it this evening.

Still, I maintain - from personal experience, which I admit has little to no value aside from providing a minor anecdote - that the middle class is fairly affluent and well off here. Certainly, there isn't the space and land that is available to the US, but it's pretty good.