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Technosoul · Jun 10, 2008, 01:37 pm

America is in the beginnings of a image make-over,

So tell us what you dislike the most about America.

Bring it on.

HelioPrime · Jun 10, 2008, 01:40 pm

- People who think personal interests should always trump the nation as a whole.

- People who think that even dangerous drugs should just be a personal choice.

- People who think America was founded as a secular nation where people must either be atheists or universally accepting of all religions.

leegao · Jun 10, 2008, 01:52 pm

The Ethnocentrism

Thanatos · Jun 10, 2008, 03:36 pm

Willful ignorance. Greed. Georgia.

Oh, and people who believe America was founded on Christianity and won't put up with religions different from theirs.

SoylentGreen · Jun 10, 2008, 03:58 pm

The continuous bringing back arguments on religion and politics to where only the american view is considered. Especially in politics, every where else in the world other countries quite willingly look to other countries to see how they might have solved a particular problem, except america.

grandpa · Jun 10, 2008, 04:08 pm

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The continuous bringing back arguments on religion and politics to
where only the american view is considered.
Especially in politics, every where else in the world other
countries quite willingly look to other countries to see how
they might have solved a particular problem, except america.

Ah, but this problem isn't only with America. It's about politics and issues of national unity. I'm sure you could find such problems in Cuba, for example.

It's not only that "America cannot trust Islamo-fascists," or what have you.

Grandpa h.

SoylentGreen · Jun 10, 2008, 04:20 pm

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grandpaAh, but this problem isn't only with America.

Sharing the problem doesn't make it go away.
I think politics and issues of national unity are the problem.

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It's not only that "America cannot trust Islamo-fascists," or what have you

America doesn't seem to trust anyone . European and pacific countries swap and trade information about solving social issue problems. America seems to think that it can solve it self without looking at how others do things.

Tycoon · Jun 10, 2008, 08:55 pm

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America doesn't seem to trust anyone . European and pacific countries swap and trade information about solving social issue problems. America seems to think that it can solve it self without looking at how others do things.

Yes, after all, in most of Europe homosexuality is much more accepted. But here in America we follow Christianity and Christianity says homosexuality is wrong...

Bleccchh.

The Dunedan · Jun 10, 2008, 08:57 pm

You haven't spent a whole lot of time in Europe, have you? Some large cities may be relatively tolerant, but try telling a Prevencal Frenchman or Slovak from the Paneli that you're gay and watch what happens.

Rainbow · Jun 10, 2008, 09:05 pm

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Quote by: Technosoul

America is in the beginnings of a image make-over,

So tell us what you dislike the most about America.

Intellectually impaired - (not literally, though).

The Bacon Guy · Jun 10, 2008, 09:43 pm

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You haven't spent a whole lot of time in Europe, have you? Some large cities may be relatively tolerant, but try telling a Prevencal Frenchman or Slovak from the Paneli that you're gay and watch what happens.

A very good point. People often forget that places like Eastern Europe and the Mediterranean are some of the most strongly Catholic areas in the world. Sure, the cities like Amsterdam and Brussels are all tolerant and liberal, but then so are major US cities like New York and LA.

Anyway, what I don’t like about America…religious politics, statism, conservativism, liberalism, cultural shallowness, general dumbing down of everything, political correctness, bigotry, race politics, bi-partisanship, a massive superiority complex…basically, nothing which I don’t notice and hate about almost every other country on the globe.

Hurt · Jun 10, 2008, 09:46 pm

overall dedication to christianity specifically.
hypocrisy.. all too many times, too many areas.
god complex..
I think I'm done. (not to say that all of that is negligible and small)

Gods_Mercenary · Jun 10, 2008, 10:33 pm

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Quote by: The Dunedan

You haven't spent a whole lot of time in Europe, have you? Some large cities may be relatively tolerant, but try telling a Prevencal Frenchman or Slovak from the Paneli that you're gay and watch what happens.

That's what I was thinking, and I've only visited.

The Dunedan · Jun 10, 2008, 10:41 pm

It always bugs me when people bitch about this or that kind of hatred in the US. Do I wish all the idiotic bigotry would go away? You better believe it! But to hold Europe up as some sort of example of tolerance is just plain STUPID. You wanna see racism? Go see how the Roma (Gypsies) get treated basically -everywhere-. When it comes to racism, sexism, and homophobia, the US has a long, LONG lead on most of the rest of the world, much of Europe most definitely included.

Remember those riots in France? Those happened because the French gov't imported large numbers of North African labourers back in the 60s and 70s, made them citizens, and -dumped- the ones who survived the work. The reason they have no jobs is that nobody will hire them, not even to do "mexican" work, because they're "black," which to a Frenchman means anyone from anywhere further south than Gibraltar. The reason they don't leave is that the French gov't won't let them.

As recently as 2006, a Czech politician got in a great deal of trouble for walling "his" Gypsies up, 1940 style, to keep them seperate from the "white" population. When that didn't work, he forcibly relocated them to an apartment block surrounded on all four sides by 8-lane motorways, then took away their kids when they couldn't get to school. The Czechosolvak and Polish governments were forcibly sterilising Roma women into the 1990s.

The Bacon Guy · Jun 10, 2008, 10:51 pm

Don't forget all the Catholic/Protestant nonsense in the UK. You don't tend to hear about widespread violence between different sects of Christianity in the US. The masses of immigrants and muslims in the London area don't tend to live in peace and harmony with the native Brits in that area either.

SoylentGreen · Jun 11, 2008, 02:14 am

Yea but in europe they don't make a tv reality show out of it.
Americans tend to flaunt their faults. But then again they make money out of it to.

GHook93 · Jun 11, 2008, 02:25 am

(1) Self-hating Americans
(2) Ultra-liberal Americans
(3) The Broken Border
(4) The fact that left won't let us drill for our own oil
Just to name a few

**Jack** · Jun 11, 2008, 02:28 am

I can't work up much hate for a concept. "America" is a concept. It's the collective name given to the individual people who live and or were born there. When you shift the debate down to the level of reality, the level of the individual, it's less easy to talk in terms of love and hate. I feel the same about all humans; there are a few I love, a few I hate, and a whole lot I really don't care too much about one way or the other (until given reason to).
These days, my attitude toward the image of America is cautiously optimistic. I don't hate it and I hope I don't find cause to fear it.

Aussie · Jun 11, 2008, 02:57 am

I think Americans would do well to travel outside of America. What are the stats, something like 5-10% own passports? It may help some Americans realise the world isn't just the USA!

SoylentGreen · Jun 11, 2008, 03:44 am

I think Jack made the best point. Hate is to strong a word. And it's not really americans that other countries hate but more the concept of america.
But then if you want to be counted as a super power then you got to take the good with the bad.

Jun 10, 2008, 01:37 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,936	What do you hate the most about America? America is in the beginnings of a image make-over, So tell us what you dislike the most about America. Bring it on.

Jun 10, 2008, 01:40 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
HelioPrime Hucking Fuskies Location: Conn Posts: 2,645	- People who think personal interests should always trump the nation as a whole. - People who think that even dangerous drugs should just be a personal choice. - People who think America was founded as a secular nation where people must either be atheists or universally accepting of all religions. What do you say to an atheist who sneezes? Yourdeadthatsit! - Dane Cook

Jun 10, 2008, 03:36 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Thanatos Arbiter of Weird Location: New Hampshire Posts: 1,753	Willful ignorance. Greed. Georgia. Oh, and people who believe America was founded on Christianity and won't put up with religions different from theirs. Destroying America one Volconvo post at a time. The brain is like a muscle. When it is in use we feel very good. Understanding is joyous.

Jun 11, 2008, 02:28 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,180	I can't work up much hate for a concept. "America" is a concept. It's the collective name given to the individual people who live and or were born there. When you shift the debate down to the level of reality, the level of the individual, it's less easy to talk in terms of love and hate. I feel the same about all humans; there are a few I love, a few I hate, and a whole lot I really don't care too much about one way or the other (until given reason to). These days, my attitude toward the image of America is cautiously optimistic. I don't hate it and I hope I don't find cause to fear it. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Jun 11, 2008, 02:57 am	#19 (permalink) (top)
Aussie Igneous Magma Location: Canberra, Australia Posts: 690	I think Americans would do well to travel outside of America. What are the stats, something like 5-10% own passports? It may help some Americans realise the world isn't just the USA! I reject your reality and insert my own!

Jun 10, 2008, 01:52 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
leegao Somewhat Aloof Location: Houston, TX Posts: 138	The Ethnocentrism

Jun 10, 2008, 03:58 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
SoylentGreen Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,396	The continuous bringing back arguments on religion and politics to where only the american view is considered. Especially in politics, every where else in the world other countries quite willingly look to other countries to see how they might have solved a particular problem, except america.

Jun 10, 2008, 08:57 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
The Dunedan Hot Lava Posts: 925	You haven't spent a whole lot of time in Europe, have you? Some large cities may be relatively tolerant, but try telling a Prevencal Frenchman or Slovak from the Paneli that you're gay and watch what happens.

Jun 10, 2008, 09:46 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
Hurt le tired Posts: 499	overall dedication to christianity specifically. hypocrisy.. all too many times, too many areas. god complex.. I think I'm done. (not to say that all of that is negligible and small)

Jun 10, 2008, 10:41 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
The Dunedan Hot Lava Posts: 925	It always bugs me when people bitch about this or that kind of hatred in the US. Do I wish all the idiotic bigotry would go away? You better believe it! But to hold Europe up as some sort of example of tolerance is just plain STUPID. You wanna see racism? Go see how the Roma (Gypsies) get treated basically -everywhere-. When it comes to racism, sexism, and homophobia, the US has a long, LONG lead on most of the rest of the world, much of Europe most definitely included. Remember those riots in France? Those happened because the French gov't imported large numbers of North African labourers back in the 60s and 70s, made them citizens, and -dumped- the ones who survived the work. The reason they have no jobs is that nobody will hire them, not even to do "mexican" work, because they're "black," which to a Frenchman means anyone from anywhere further south than Gibraltar. The reason they don't leave is that the French gov't won't let them. As recently as 2006, a Czech politician got in a great deal of trouble for walling "his" Gypsies up, 1940 style, to keep them seperate from the "white" population. When that didn't work, he forcibly relocated them to an apartment block surrounded on all four sides by 8-lane motorways, then took away their kids when they couldn't get to school. The Czechosolvak and Polish governments were forcibly sterilising Roma women into the 1990s.

Jun 10, 2008, 10:51 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
The Bacon Guy Away Location: Scotland, Central Lowlands Posts: 3,317	Don't forget all the Catholic/Protestant nonsense in the UK. You don't tend to hear about widespread violence between different sects of Christianity in the US. The masses of immigrants and muslims in the London area don't tend to live in peace and harmony with the native Brits in that area either.

Jun 11, 2008, 02:14 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
SoylentGreen Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,396	Yea but in europe they don't make a tv reality show out of it. Americans tend to flaunt their faults. But then again they make money out of it to.

Jun 11, 2008, 02:25 am	#17 (permalink) (top)
GHook93 SUSPENDED Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,875	(1) Self-hating Americans (2) Ultra-liberal Americans (3) The Broken Border (4) The fact that left won't let us drill for our own oil Just to name a few

Jun 11, 2008, 03:44 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
SoylentGreen Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,396	I think Jack made the best point. Hate is to strong a word. And it's not really americans that other countries hate but more the concept of america. But then if you want to be counted as a super power then you got to take the good with the bad.