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View Poll Results: What do you want for your corpse?
To be Buried 3 12.50%
To be Cremated 4 16.67%
To have my body/organs donated 8 33.33%
Other (explain) 2 8.33%
I don't really care 7 29.17%
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Old Apr 24, 2008, 03:28 am   #21 (permalink) (top)
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I would love to have maximum use of my body after death by way of organs transplant, drugs manufactrue if pssible and finally eaten as food by hungry living beings !!...can not think better use if any to which my body could be put !!

Suggestions are welcome !!!!
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Old Apr 24, 2008, 04:05 am   #22 (permalink) (top)
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If they can find anything in here worth salvaging, then by all means, have at it. I certainly won't need that liver after I'm dead. And if my eyes can contribute to optics research, go for it.

Beyond that, I don't really care. My body will be utterly useless to me and everyone around me after I'm gone. If I had to choose, I guess I'd prefer the cheapest disposal option. I think it's silly to waste money on glorified wooden boxes that are going to hold something valueless and be forever buried six feet under, anyway.

First come, first serve on the organs, though. Get 'em while they're hot!
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Old Apr 24, 2008, 02:23 pm   #23 (permalink) (top)
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The Body after Death

When you die, what would you like to be done with your body ?
Buried? Cremated? Donated? Or something else? Or do you simply not care?

What do you want to happen to your corpse ?
What happens when a person dies :
- some (vital to Homo Sapiens' representative existence) molecular bonds are broken
As the result, some atoms are being released and get into interaction with other atoms within the Environment. The remainging (and strongest) bonds stay intact (read : dead body). Even though, as time elapses those bonds would break as well, and a person ends up as a dust (or so) as a final result :-)
In order to revive that person, we need to collect All those atoms back - from and/or within that particular Environment (read : the Universe), and reconfigure them in certain and/or particular pattern and/or configuration.
And, here I come : I am back, alive :-)))
Not today. No such technology available, so far.

With no technological means within the reach, my chances for reviving are extremely slim. What to do with my body ?
Since I have not much of choice, let my family handle that business :-)

My vote : Other.
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Old Apr 24, 2008, 03:04 pm   #24 (permalink) (top)
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Over here in new zealand a fad has started of putting solar powered lights that give a soft blue glow next to the grave. It looks a bit eerie but very nice when i drive by at night.
Those are popular here too. You should check out a cemetery on christmas eve night. Lot's of lights. New years is fun too. Fireworks the whole bit.


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Old Apr 24, 2008, 03:05 pm   #25 (permalink) (top)
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i would like my ashes placed into a missile carrying depleted uranium, and shot at the UN building in New York.
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Old Apr 24, 2008, 03:38 pm   #26 (permalink) (top)
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Before your will is into effect, I suggest U.N. headquarters to be moved from New York to Putin's private estate.
I do not mind that we can even enforce that depleted uranium with some extra :-)
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Old Apr 24, 2008, 04:41 pm   #27 (permalink) (top)
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A sad and depressing subject, but one that may prove interesting to discuss.
I've always been fasinated by it. If you really want to know about the body after death, here are two sites. It's too bad the ME in training stopped blogging. I learned a lot from him. His stories are true life, not that Hollywood make believe crap you see on TV.

Autopsy Report

http://www.dundee.ac.uk/forensicmedi.../timedeath.pdf


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Old Apr 25, 2008, 05:26 am   #28 (permalink) (top)
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What happens when a person dies :
Nobody can tell that since nobody has seen his own death. Others can tell but, in physical terms only how others died !!!!

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- some (vital to Homo Sapiens' representative existence) molecular bonds are broken
As the result, some atoms are being released and get into interaction with other atoms within the Environment.
Actual death is SOMETHING just before that which starts what you are trying to talk in physical terms. If it is not thatway tell me, "Why all of a sudden those "some molecular bonds" are broken (as you put it)????"

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The remainging (and strongest) bonds stay intact (read : dead body). Even though, as time elapses those bonds would break as well, and a person ends up as a dust (or so) as a final result :-)
That is more gross and physical. Again, I am pointing out that it is known to others and not to you. What you are, nobody knows, not even you !!

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In order to revive that person, we need to collect All those atoms back - from and/or within that particular Environment (read : the Universe), and reconfigure them in certain and/or particular pattern and/or configuration.
And, here I come : I am back, alive :-)))
Not today. No such technology available, so far.
First, find who you actually are and then find the cause of breaking of "Some molecular bonds" before one can tell what is Alive and what is Dead.

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With no technological means within the reach, my chances for reviving are extremely slim. What to do with my body ?
Since I have not much of choice, let my family handle that business :-)
You have surely choice while alive. That is why you are being asked now as to what you want your family to do with your body after your death. See, I say your body, after your death others would say may his soul rest in peace. These two statements shows neither you are body, nor soul....So tell me who YOU are ???
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My vote : Other.
No, you can choose...why other would decide for you???
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Old Apr 25, 2008, 04:00 pm   #29 (permalink) (top)
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Nobody can tell that since nobody has seen his own death. Others can tell but, in physical terms only how others died !!!!

Actual death is SOMETHING just before that which starts what you are trying to talk in physical terms. If it is not that way tell me, "Why all of a sudden those "some molecular bonds" are broken (as you put it)????"

That is more gross and physical. Again, I am pointing out that it is known to others and not to you. What you are, nobody knows, not even you !!

First, find who you actually are and then find the cause of breaking of "Some molecular bonds" before one can tell what is Alive and what is Dead.

You have surely choice while alive. That is why you are being asked now as to what you want your family to do with your body after your death. See, I say your body, after your death others would say may his soul rest in peace. These two statements shows neither you are body, nor soul....So tell me who YOU are ???

No, you can choose...why other would decide for you???
#1
You probably mean the following :
- after death, nobody can get in touch with another person in order to describe that whole process, precisely. Therefore, since we have no detailed report on events when bonds start breaking apart, you assume that process is unknown.
Am I correct ?

#2
Death is an event that Homo Sapiens recognizes in variety of terms, fields, scopes, etc. An approach characterizes that event differently, including religious and/or non-religious one.
Bonds between atoms play crucial role in that process, what renders that approach as irrelevant one, in reality.

Example : Heart.
Billions of atoms create a tissue and/or organ recognized by Homo Sapiens as heart. For variety of reasons that heart stops working - as it used to - because bonds between atoms got broken. That is why an individual dies, as the result of those broken bonds.
(Whether a heart is destroyed and/or does not function is irrelevant, since it depends of particular case.)
Generally, a heart does not support a particular body any longer. It applies to all the Homo Sapiens' tissues and/or organs. As the result, a person faces a death - in the most extreme case.

If you question which molecular bonds get broken, then my answer is :
- no idea, since I am not that person who is in a possession of particular Homo Sapiens's representative detailed molecular configuration, and/or composition and/or array, etc.
Maybe this is an atom #170344 within that particular individual's body, maybe #780321. I have no clue on that subject. Nevertheless, a number of broken bonds causes a person to die.
(Ageing is one of the reasons that person dies. As time elapses, those bonds are getting weaker, since a tissue and/or organ does not function properly any longer - as it used to.)

#3
I think I am a set of atoms, combined as 1 unit (with)in a certain configuration, what is being perceived and/or recognized within the Solar System's third planet Earth as : Homo Sapiens' representative :-)

#4, #5
We are Alive, Always (!) :-)
No energy can be destroyed within the Universe we are part of. Atoms may get into interactions with other atoms, so they may create different states of existence within the Universe we live-in.
The key is :
- configuration of atoms
A particular configuration of atoms promotes occurrences we are familiar with, and/or accept, and/or feel comfortable with, etc.
That is why we submit our posts, since we are (with)in the same configuration, still.
What is Life ?
A set of acceptable - to Homo Sapiens - configuration of atoms :-)))

#6
How am I to choose, since my configuration has changed its state ?
Do you mean I should do it in advance ??? :-)))

P.S.
Try to imagine Genetics.
We could amplify some bonds and we live much longer.
On the other hand : what for ? We are bad to bones, species :-)
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Old Apr 25, 2008, 04:14 pm   #30 (permalink) (top)
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Personally, I totally don’t care what happens to me when I’m dead, but all that cremating and burying does seem a waste, organ transplant seems good, apart from that maybe pet food could be a viable option.


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Old Apr 26, 2008, 04:38 am   #31 (permalink) (top)
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Before your will is into effect, I suggest U.N. headquarters to be moved from New York to Putin's private estate.
I do not mind that we can even enforce that depleted uranium with some extra :-)
I don't care where it is, so long as we get all those frauds in there running it.
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Old Apr 27, 2008, 10:47 am   #32 (permalink) (top)
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I appreciate your try to explain physical aspect of the life. Not much can be known by physical means, what is life and how it makes dead body fuction before it goes dead.

Physically, we can know brain makes heart fuction and heart in turn supply blood to brain to fuction so that heart can keep on pumping blood to brain. I would say it is give and take. A force which makes both brain and heart fuction for each other is life. That is beyond atoms, neurons, RNA, Genes or for that matter anything physical.

To my mind Life is metaphysical. We may be able to know about more only after our death but nobody has till now been able to tell us in physical terms and I doubt ever we may be able to know !!
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Old Apr 28, 2008, 03:31 pm   #33 (permalink) (top)
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In the UK there are a growing number of companies who take your cremated ashes; place them in fireworks; and then after choosing an appropriate area (perhaps, the deceased's favourite area on land or sea) arrange a fireworks display for your loved ones and friends as part of an extended wake.

I kid you not.

A true celebration of life and one I have asked for in my Will.


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Old Apr 28, 2008, 03:51 pm   #34 (permalink) (top)
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Hmmm interested but I doubt it would catch on in many portions of the US.

Having a real grave to visit and grieve over is a desire of many people.

I suppose you could be launched in a rocket and be left a memorial grave, but then you've defeating the purpose of saving land space.


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Old Apr 28, 2008, 05:23 pm   #35 (permalink) (top)
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Space Services Inc. - Launch ashes - Space burial - Space funeral - Cremation memorials

It's already happening here in the US.


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Old Apr 28, 2008, 05:27 pm   #36 (permalink) (top)
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A force which makes both brain and heart fuction for each other is life. That is beyond atoms, neurons, RNA, Genes or for that matter anything physical.
That indicates to me, that we - as one of elements within the Universe we live-in - are part of a gigantic web and/or network, what we call World, and all the elements within that web and/or network support each other, in order to prolong its existence.
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Old Apr 28, 2008, 05:52 pm   #37 (permalink) (top)
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Hmmm interested but I doubt it would catch on in many portions of the US.

Having a real grave to visit and grieve over is a desire of many people.

I suppose you could be launched in a rocket and be left a memorial grave, but then you've defeating the purpose of saving land space.
Hopefully one day society will outgrow the desire for primitive death worshipping devices and stop wasting resources on the dead.
Turning the dead into a resource is more practical.
It's not the body we remember but the person who inhabited the body,
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Old Apr 29, 2008, 02:01 am   #38 (permalink) (top)
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My wife and child will be devowering me upon my demise, the whole circle of life thing.
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Old Apr 29, 2008, 02:03 am   #39 (permalink) (top)
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Hopefully one day society will outgrow the desire for primitive death worshipping devices and stop wasting resources on the dead.
Turning the dead into a resource is more practical.
It's not the body we remember but the person who inhabited the body,
Something like little green chips that the living can eat maybe?
Your name is truely fitting.
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My wife and child will be devowering me upon my demise, the whole circle of life thing.
You mean eating you?

I'm sorry but all religion aside I hope we never devolve to the point where the dead are either eaten or used as plant feed. I'm sorry but to think that humans will be considered nothing more than bio feed once their dead is offensive.


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